RE: Driven: BMW 640d Coupe
Discussion
Laird said:
fastgerman said:
Hahaha just what I was thinking :-)
Does anyone realise that a 335i (mapped) would be faster than 335d (mapped)
All diesels still sound like tractors and even though they are suppose to be clean, I always notice modern cars producing black smoke on acceleration on the motorways. Petrol (per litre) and servicing is cheaper so not that much benefit to diesel in my opinion. They smell also.
Very naive thing to say.Does anyone realise that a 335i (mapped) would be faster than 335d (mapped)
All diesels still sound like tractors and even though they are suppose to be clean, I always notice modern cars producing black smoke on acceleration on the motorways. Petrol (per litre) and servicing is cheaper so not that much benefit to diesel in my opinion. They smell also.
Diesel is cheaper to produce, however costs more at the pumps.
Diesel engines don't rev as well and they only move if they are strapped with turbo's. This is a near £75k car with options and I would never consider a diesel at this price. Its a dirty, noisy, smelly fuel. I do care about the environment and would consider an electric/hybrid performance car but I will never have a diesel. For a run around, an E46 330d will cost 25-30% more than a 330ci of similar age and mileage. Which one am I going to pick.. same can be said with 5 year old Golf GTI's vs TDI, Range Rover V8 vs TDI and I know what engine note I would rather hear.
Diesel is not a performance fuel, what do F1 cars run on? Long distance races like Lemans work for diesel because of the longer ranges but thats about it in the motorsport world. I certainly wouldn't buy a diesel 911.
Ramses said:
So......
Nothing can really compete with the 6-series in this smaller 'GT' market.
Of those that can't compete, no-one else had a diesel.
Of those that can't compete, some are developing a diesel.
Of those that DO have a diesel GT car, diesel's account for 92% of sales.
mmmmm..... wonder what conclusions we can draw. Anyone?
And how many 6 series do you see on the road? Nothing can really compete with the 6-series in this smaller 'GT' market.
Of those that can't compete, no-one else had a diesel.
Of those that can't compete, some are developing a diesel.
Of those that DO have a diesel GT car, diesel's account for 92% of sales.
mmmmm..... wonder what conclusions we can draw. Anyone?
So.....on that basis, they succeeded at something that doesn't sell all that well compared to large saloons that do the same, only better.
As for diesels accounting for 92% of sales, i think that figure is optimistic.
fastgerman said:
Long distance races like Lemans work for diesel because of the longer ranges but thats about it in the motorsport world. I certainly wouldn't buy a diesel 911.
you don't watch le mans do you. the diesels have smaller fuel tanks than the petrols so their range is pretty similar to the petrols.
thewheelman said:
Reading this makes my wonder why none of the luxury Japanese players have entered this market. Surely a Lexus or Infiniti could potentially clean up?
Lexus seem fixated on petrol hybrids, and Infiniti have the 3.0d which only makes around 235bhp.But I agree, if they came out with a decent 6-series sized car, perhaps do a twin turbo version of that 3.0d - you never know.
That I am doing.thewheelman said:
Ramses said:
So......
Nothing can really compete with the 6-series in this smaller 'GT' market.
Of those that can't compete, no-one else had a diesel.
Of those that can't compete, some are developing a diesel.
Of those that DO have a diesel GT car, diesel's account for 92% of sales.
mmmmm..... wonder what conclusions we can draw. Anyone?
And how many 6 series do you see on the road? Nothing can really compete with the 6-series in this smaller 'GT' market.
Of those that can't compete, no-one else had a diesel.
Of those that can't compete, some are developing a diesel.
Of those that DO have a diesel GT car, diesel's account for 92% of sales.
mmmmm..... wonder what conclusions we can draw. Anyone?
So.....on that basis, they succeeded at something that doesn't sell all that well compared to large saloons that do the same, only better.
As for diesels accounting for 92% of sales, i think that figure is optimistic.
Aston Martin DB9 sales 2009 - just under 1500 (total AM sales just under 4500)
and once again....the 92% is quoted in the above article.
Ramses said:
thewheelman said:
Ramses said:
So......
Nothing can really compete with the 6-series in this smaller 'GT' market.
Of those that can't compete, no-one else had a diesel.
Of those that can't compete, some are developing a diesel.
Of those that DO have a diesel GT car, diesel's account for 92% of sales.
mmmmm..... wonder what conclusions we can draw. Anyone?
And how many 6 series do you see on the road? Nothing can really compete with the 6-series in this smaller 'GT' market.
Of those that can't compete, no-one else had a diesel.
Of those that can't compete, some are developing a diesel.
Of those that DO have a diesel GT car, diesel's account for 92% of sales.
mmmmm..... wonder what conclusions we can draw. Anyone?
So.....on that basis, they succeeded at something that doesn't sell all that well compared to large saloons that do the same, only better.
As for diesels accounting for 92% of sales, i think that figure is optimistic.
Aston Martin DB9 sales 2009 - just under 1500 (total AM sales just under 4500)
and once again....the 92% is quoted in the above article.
5848 global sales on 6 series last year. E38Ross said:
fastgerman said:
Long distance races like Lemans work for diesel because of the longer ranges but thats about it in the motorsport world. I certainly wouldn't buy a diesel 911.
you don't watch le mans do you. the diesels have smaller fuel tanks than the petrols so their range is pretty similar to the petrols.So the Corvette stopped the same amount as the Audi? Impressive ;-)
thewheelman said:
Ramses said:
thewheelman said:
Ramses said:
So......
Nothing can really compete with the 6-series in this smaller 'GT' market.
Of those that can't compete, no-one else had a diesel.
Of those that can't compete, some are developing a diesel.
Of those that DO have a diesel GT car, diesel's account for 92% of sales.
mmmmm..... wonder what conclusions we can draw. Anyone?
And how many 6 series do you see on the road? Nothing can really compete with the 6-series in this smaller 'GT' market.
Of those that can't compete, no-one else had a diesel.
Of those that can't compete, some are developing a diesel.
Of those that DO have a diesel GT car, diesel's account for 92% of sales.
mmmmm..... wonder what conclusions we can draw. Anyone?
So.....on that basis, they succeeded at something that doesn't sell all that well compared to large saloons that do the same, only better.
As for diesels accounting for 92% of sales, i think that figure is optimistic.
Aston Martin DB9 sales 2009 - just under 1500 (total AM sales just under 4500)
and once again....the 92% is quoted in the above article.
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