RE: Official: Subaru BRZ pics leaked

[StormLoaded]

TinyCappo said:

IF the wife thinks she can put two babys in the back of an IQ than i sure as hell can put them in the back of this.

Thanks for posting up the pic of the rear interior

Going to start pestering Toyota and Subaru and play them off against each other to get the best deal

My mrs drove a few of us to the pub n back last night.. me and my mate, both 6ft+ had no issues sat in the back of an IQ! .. seriously. The seats both front and back are thin and narrow which certainly helps.
it always surprises me that car, "turns on a dime" aswell.

there wont be any deals from Toyota anyway - certainly not initially. numbers will be limited so why would they discount!?
you may get yourself a good finance deal but that'll be about it.

[dave stew]

StormLoaded said:

My mrs drove a few of us to the pub n back last night.. me and my mate, both 6ft+ had no issues sat in the back of an IQ! .. seriously. The seats both front and back are thin and narrow which certainly helps.
it always surprises me that car, "turns on a dime" aswell.

there wont be any deals from Toyota anyway - certainly not initially. numbers will be limited so why would they discount!?
you may get yourself a good finance deal but that'll be about it.

I'd sit on the bootlid of an MX-5 rather than walk to the pub!

[David1976]

Like the Toyota GT-86 I think the concept is brilliant.

The price though, as it appears to be £28-30K, fails massively as far as I am concerned.

[MichelV]

Now lets see. 28k£ that is about 30kEuro. Without any options. For a Japanese sports car that will change design fundamentaly every 3 years. With a second hand market being almost non existing in mainland Europe. With a depreciation of about 15k after 3 years.

Let me think about that value proposition for a moment...eh no thank you.

Michel

[robinessex]

Think I'll have to pop down Spec Savers, 'cos I think it's bloody ugly !! Just like 90% of modern cars. Csr styling went down the pan when the designers were let loose on CAD and styling software.

[otolith]

jcl said:

Both cars seem like bargain drivers cars for the money. I'll definitely be putting my name down for one.

Oh hang on, what the he'll am I talking about http://pistonheads.com/sales/3444985.htm

Sorry to break it to you, but they were quite a lot more than that new. The Toyota/Subaru will also be cheaper used, you will be pleased to hear.

[braddo]

David1976 said:

Like the Toyota GT-86 I think the concept is brilliant.

The price though, as it appears to be £28-30K, fails massively as far as I am concerned.

There was a post yesterday in one of these threads quoting a comment from Toyota's Facebook page, in which Toyota says the £28k is press speculation and they are aiming for a price nearer to £25k.

But anyway, what other brand new, RWD, 2+2, 165hp/ton car are you going to buy that makes this car look expensive at £28k?

' ** Newflash ** GBP ain't worth what it was a few years ago (when it was overinflated in any case). This makes imports dearer, dear.

[treetops]

Stum on the "pric"!!??

[LuS1fer]

Are they renaming this too? BRZ sounds fairly rubbish. (Bras?)

[Sgt^Roc]

AndyCzech said:

Looks very sharp.

Can’t wait for the 300bhp turbo conversion.

28k fer 200 brafe horse, what it got then?

[ivantate]

MichelV said:

Now lets see. 28k£ that is about 30kEuro. Without any options. For a Japanese sports car that will change design fundamentaly every 3 years. With a second hand market being almost non existing in mainland Europe. With a depreciation of about 15k after 3 years.

Let me think about that value proposition for a moment...eh no thank you.

Michel

Have you seen car prices in Europe recently??

[Fetchez la vache]

LuS1fer said:

Are they renaming this too? BRZ sounds fairly rubbish. (Bras?)

It stood for something like
Boxer Engined,
Rear Wheel Drive,
Zzz sleepy, or something...

Can't believe people are still hoping it'll be significantly less than whatever Toyota are charging... naive at best.
It'll be a good basis for tuners which they've stated all along... other than that price.

[10 Pence Short]

What are the economy/CO2 figures like for these two?

I can't see them selling very well in Europe at all if they're anything like a petrol boxer engine suggests they will.

Designed to sell in the US and Asia, I would imagine.

[pdoddy]

most likely between 160-165g C02

[otolith]

10 Pence Short said:

What are the economy/CO2 figures like for these two?
.

No Euro figures yet, but better than the two litre MX-5 on the Japanese test cycle. Improving the efficiency of the Subaru engine has been a big part of the project.

[Hellbound]

It would be pretty interesting if Audi suddenly decided the entry level 1.8TFSI TT should come in rwd guise. That's 158bhp and 0-60 in 7.1seconds with 44mpg (obviously a rwd platform would change those stats slightly).

Honda need a rwd roadster version of the Mugen CR-Z and Nissan need a smaller 370Z. It's 1999 all over again!

[Carnnoisseur]

Looks like a re-modelled Z4 coupe?

[Chas-Chiro]

Just compared two almost equal photo angles.

Toyota: http://images.pistonheads.com/nimg/24774/GT86_4-L....
Subaru: http://images.pistonheads.com/nimg/24785/SubaruBRZ...

Apart from slightly different front bumpers and the Subaru having Jap shaped number plates they look exactly the same. Oh, and the Toyota has a rear spoiler too.

[ItsaTVR]

Fetchez la vache said:

Can't believe people are still hoping it'll be significantly less than whatever Toyota are charging... naive at best.
It'll be a good basis for tuners which they've stated all along... other than that price.

After the initial rush, the BRZ will be moderatley less. Since Subaru dealers don't have Massive SUVs or Priui to rape reap profits off of, they'll be more willing to deal.

[pdoddy]

Pricing is a challenge for both Subaru and Toyota as they both need to compete against European produced competitors which do not have to deal with 10% import duty and a 30% increase in cost due to the Yen exchange rate shift in the past 2 years alone. ie the car exfactory price in Japan is stable but the exchange rate just means the cost in Europe has increased dramatically.
Shifting production to Europe is non viable as 100K is a typical break even volume for all investments. 10-20K volume per year cannot carry such production costs.

Edited by pdoddy on Saturday 3rd December 10:54

Edited by pdoddy on Saturday 3rd December 11:26