RE: In depth: new Range Rover
Discussion
XJSJohn said:
don't ... i just did the numbers to get one on the road here, looking at minimum of GBP350k!!!! 
To correct the Austarlian post From the Australian dealers. The AUD is almost par to the USD
2013 Range Rover pricing
Range Rover TDV6 Vogue $178,900
Range Rover TDV8 Vogue $195,100
Range Rover TDV8 Vogue SE $217,100
Range Rover TDV8 Autobiography $232,800
Range Rover V8 S/C Vogue SE $224,400
Range Rover V8 S/C Autobiography $240,100
Edited by burwoodman on Friday 7th September 09:52
Manks said:
Not just you. The paddles are fine when the wheel is up the right way. When using command shift off road it's often necessary to look down at the paddles to see which one is up and which is down. The gear knob / paddles and the start-stop button are nothing more than stupid fashion elements, in my view.
Couldn't disagree more here imo - the rotary ditches the rather antiquated and fussy lever to clean up the centre console a bit, is it so hard to be a bit less ham-fisted with the controls switching to drive rather than missing it and going for sport? The keyless go is a similar thing, is it that difficult to use a start/stop button? You say your keys scratch your smartphone when you dump them in a cubby, why not use more than one? Or... say... a pocket? Surely an FFRR driver can afford a jacket/trousers with pockets manly enough to contain a smartphone!
Sorry if someone has done this already but
/pedant mode
The vehicle's weight has little bearing on its top speed, only on how long it takes to get to it. If the new RR is faster, that's because the frontal area has reduced and/or the drag co-efficient has reduced and/or the power has increased.
/pedant mode off
/pedant mode
The vehicle's weight has little bearing on its top speed, only on how long it takes to get to it. If the new RR is faster, that's because the frontal area has reduced and/or the drag co-efficient has reduced and/or the power has increased.
/pedant mode off
Manks said:
And now I've got myself started, it's got a stupid bloody start / stop button again. My keys rattle about in the centre console scratching my smart phone. What is really needed is a hole in the dashboard to poke the key, so the others on the ring can hang there out the way. Then a funky idea might be to rotate that key right to start the car and left to stop it. Perhaps this sort of innovation will be added on a later model.
Why are you taking your keys out of your pocket?nicfaz said:
Sorry if someone has done this already but
/pedant mode
The vehicle's weight has little bearing on its top speed, only on how long it takes to get to it. If the new RR is faster, that's because the frontal area has reduced and/or the drag co-efficient has reduced and/or the power has increased.
/pedant mode off
Or its a banked corner where you are 'lifting' the car as you go round and need to maintain a higher corner exit speed to improve Vmax on the available straight you have..../pedant mode
The vehicle's weight has little bearing on its top speed, only on how long it takes to get to it. If the new RR is faster, that's because the frontal area has reduced and/or the drag co-efficient has reduced and/or the power has increased.
/pedant mode off
Cd is now 0.34.
Pr1964 said:
As for reliability and poor component design and robustness repair bills and running costs are shocking for the old car they will need to have some major improvements it always surprised me the press never highlight JLR poor reliability.
Friends who've had them have all spent £1,000's on silly repairs and then dumped them in disgust.
I swore I'd never have one again, the list of broken props / diffs / gbox's / battery draining and air suspension failures on my 4.4 Vogue almost broke meFriends who've had them have all spent £1,000's on silly repairs and then dumped them in disgust.
New, in warranty fine. Out of warranty you'll need a deep wallet.
Shame as when mine was working fine it was absolutely brilliant despite its drink problem
JonnyVTEC said:
Manks said:
And now I've got myself started, it's got a stupid bloody start / stop button again. My keys rattle about in the centre console scratching my smart phone. What is really needed is a hole in the dashboard to poke the key, so the others on the ring can hang there out the way. Then a funky idea might be to rotate that key right to start the car and left to stop it. Perhaps this sort of innovation will be added on a later model.
Why are you taking your keys out of your pocket?1. Because if I don't I cannot operate the car locking system, the garage door or the gates.
2. Because carrying a bunch of keys that large in my pocket makes me look like I have an errect but curiously shaped penis.
burwoodman said:
XJSJohn said:
don't ... i just did the numbers to get one on the road here, looking at minimum of GBP350k!!!!
To correct the Austarlian post From the Australian dealers. The AUD is almost par to the USD
2013 Range Rover pricing
Range Rover TDV6 Vogue $178,900
Range Rover TDV8 Vogue $195,100
Range Rover TDV8 Vogue SE $217,100
Range Rover TDV8 Autobiography $232,800
Range Rover V8 S/C Vogue SE $224,400
Range Rover V8 S/C Autobiography $240,100
Edited by burwoodman on Friday 7th September 09:52
Pr1964 said:
Exactly if they really wanted it to be green they'd have a version which ditched all the off road b
ks ie a road going version still with 4x4 but much lighter without the locking diffs transfer boxes etc.
Would make it 5k cheaper too.
Would make it even faster and better handling too.
It remains a more is less vehicle.
If you dont understand the philosophy behind Range Rovers, just say.ks ie a road going version still with 4x4 but much lighter without the locking diffs transfer boxes etc.Would make it 5k cheaper too.
Would make it even faster and better handling too.
It remains a more is less vehicle.
I suspect those trying their best to pick holes in this car are the same ones that did not have a positive word to say about the Evoque. But the market has spoken and proved all those critiques wrong. The success of the Evoque has almost been unprecedented and I suspect the new RR will follow suit. Hopefully the trend RR have set by employing over a 1000 new staff to cope with Evoque demand will be repeated in the success of the RR, how can people not applaud such a British success story.
Yes it is moving upmarket and I totally understand why. RR has played a total blinder on this car and I am more than happy to bet it will roll on to become a world beater.
And just to cement its certainty of success my other half, whose interest in these things is almost nonexistent, has made a request in the strongest terms that we should go and test drive one ASAP
Yes it is moving upmarket and I totally understand why. RR has played a total blinder on this car and I am more than happy to bet it will roll on to become a world beater.
And just to cement its certainty of success my other half, whose interest in these things is almost nonexistent, has made a request in the strongest terms that we should go and test drive one ASAP
harryowl said:
Rather than comparing its weight to loads of stuff, can you actually tell us how much it weighs?
they didn't even do that, they compared it to part of the car, a bit misleading.the article almost sounds to suggest it's basically the same weight as a mini countryman, which it won't be....it will be heavier overall i'm sure.
Are they not comparing the weight of the monocoque shells of each of these models (Countryman and 3 series) Its not beyond the realms of possibility really is it, on the basis that the RR has an all aluminium one, and the other two cars really are now quite big in their own right.
There's no way just the aluminium shell of the RR weighs the same as a whole BMW.
Anyone able to clear this up?
There's no way just the aluminium shell of the RR weighs the same as a whole BMW.
Anyone able to clear this up?
Oh and found this on the BBC website......
Thin end of the wedge?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19510174
Thin end of the wedge?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19510174
KimZ said:
Not my cuppa, however some very interesting engineering solutions.. "Ingesting intake air via the gap between bonnet and wing.." and suspending the battery as a mass damper? Very lateral thinking, but I wonder why the latter was needed, structural resonance?
Mind you, if the FIA had let the R25 run longer than a race or two back in '05 (hockenheim?) perhaps we'd have seen more mass damper technology in mainstream vehicles...
Bloody good effort too if the stats are to be believed.
In a masochistic way, I admire the thought and engineering gone into this RR!
Mass damper probably works with the suspension. Renault F1 had one in the front of Alonsos 2005 car, the effect is to reduce the bounce on the front caused by stiff suspension when riding the curbs. Keeps the front wheels in contact with the road. So it's probably being used in that vein, to keep bouncing/bobbing in check.Mind you, if the FIA had let the R25 run longer than a race or two back in '05 (hockenheim?) perhaps we'd have seen more mass damper technology in mainstream vehicles...
Bloody good effort too if the stats are to be believed.
In a masochistic way, I admire the thought and engineering gone into this RR!
If the chassis had a resonance to it, that'll be a NVH issue. From doing work on noise generated by rail tracks, you can apply rubber blocks with metal weights inside to quench the noise due to resonance.
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