RE: BMW M6 Gran Coupe - official
Discussion
J4SON88 said:
Don't know if i like it or not really? I'm finding it harder and harder to get excited about cars like this. Don't get me wrong, i'm sure its very good, but i cannot help thinking its here because the accountants want it, instead of the engineers.
I'm a design engineer and I really want one 
justa1972 said:
BeirutTaxi said:
Have you looked around one in the flesh?
too be fair no - but it looks pretty ugly and imo BMW are just about making the ugliest cars around a the moment5 series GT anyone ?!
That is the best 'packaged' BMW I've seen in years (where 'packaged' is a function of size, power, performance, interior design, exterior design and price). Finally a stunning BMW that totally eludes the Bangle era and follow-on messes.
But I don't think the BMW dashboards are particularly thrilling. Not cheap looking but not well designed in form or function. In that regard, Mercedes isn't much better. Audi and Porsche are far ahead in this regard. And this matters a lot to me (or whomever is the owner/driver) in that it's the most seen and used part of the car so it ought to be efficient and beautiful.
Fantastic car except for that. And I suspect it would be a show-stopper for me because of the 'most used' thing.
V
But I don't think the BMW dashboards are particularly thrilling. Not cheap looking but not well designed in form or function. In that regard, Mercedes isn't much better. Audi and Porsche are far ahead in this regard. And this matters a lot to me (or whomever is the owner/driver) in that it's the most seen and used part of the car so it ought to be efficient and beautiful.
Fantastic car except for that. And I suspect it would be a show-stopper for me because of the 'most used' thing.
V
I'm not into big car fan myself, never have been, but I think it looks great. I think it looks far better than the A7 or the CLS. The original MB CLS looked fabulous but their current range does jack for me.
I keep reading it's pointless and who buys these things... The same people who drop £80k+ for all kinds of stuff, big Mercs, Range Rovers, Porsche Panameras, whatever.
Others say it's just a product of BMW's market department... Correct and stating the obvious. Everything we buy is marketed!!! Jeez. What ever segment a car occupies it's market driven.
I saw a new M6 on the road a few months back, a £96k car people said no one would buy. It looked fantastic. The fact that someone dropped that kind of money, I don't care. It's their money, reasons and choice. The M6 GC will be bought too, I don't imagine they need to sell in big numbers to justify themselves.
I keep reading it's pointless and who buys these things... The same people who drop £80k+ for all kinds of stuff, big Mercs, Range Rovers, Porsche Panameras, whatever.
Others say it's just a product of BMW's market department... Correct and stating the obvious. Everything we buy is marketed!!! Jeez. What ever segment a car occupies it's market driven.
I saw a new M6 on the road a few months back, a £96k car people said no one would buy. It looked fantastic. The fact that someone dropped that kind of money, I don't care. It's their money, reasons and choice. The M6 GC will be bought too, I don't imagine they need to sell in big numbers to justify themselves.
kambites said:
justa1972 said:
5 series GT anyone ?!
To be fair to them, only the 5-GT and 6-series are that bad. Having ridden in it, and for the practicality that his hobbies and job require, it's possible to forgive its ugliness, as it's a fantastic tool for covering mileages with lots of crap and a trailer.
Best thing is that you can't see the outside from the inside.
Have you seen how ugly the Merc R-Class is on the outside? They are another lovely mobile cathedral to relax and cross thousands of miles with ... Great value too
BeirutTaxi said:
Fair point, although lets not forget the price difference of the two, The E60 M5 was £65k base, the Maserati was £80k. Not to mention the difference in servicing costs.
I don't doubt the Maserati's abilities, however for what the M5 can deliver for it's price, it is good value. Given the significant price difference, I would expect the Quattroporte to be the better engineered car.
Is one better than the other? Well one maybe offers a better handling package, the other a more powerful engine. I think it's just a case of what you prefer in a car.
I'm not going to argue on the styling or classy ambience, it's not a contest. Not even slightly.
QP List price was £69,995 in November 2004I don't doubt the Maserati's abilities, however for what the M5 can deliver for it's price, it is good value. Given the significant price difference, I would expect the Quattroporte to be the better engineered car.
Is one better than the other? Well one maybe offers a better handling package, the other a more powerful engine. I think it's just a case of what you prefer in a car.
I'm not going to argue on the styling or classy ambience, it's not a contest. Not even slightly.
Edited by BeirutTaxi on Thursday 13th December 17:03
ultrastapler said:
It looks sleeker than the M5.
Though why do all new bmw designs suffer from an out of proportion bonnet length? It's just too long for the rest of the car. Same goes for 6 as the 3, 5 and 1
Where have you been man!! They have long bonnets because the engine is low and back in the chassis, effectively front mid-engined. Unlike Audi who have engine too car forward, too much weight up front not helping in the handling stakes at all.Though why do all new bmw designs suffer from an out of proportion bonnet length? It's just too long for the rest of the car. Same goes for 6 as the 3, 5 and 1
HighwayStar said:
Where have you been man!! They have long bonnets because the engine is low and back in the chassis, effectively front mid-engined. Unlike Audi who have engine too car forward, too much weight up front not helping in the handling stakes at all.
And because they continue to use long engine configurations that everyone else has considered dead for years. The I6 may be a lovely smooth engine configuration, but it must be a packaging nightmare. Especially since pedestrian impact legislation now requires a certain amount of clearance between the bonnet and the top of the engine.
Edited by kambites on Friday 14th December 09:49
Side profile looks all wrong, front of car looks too long. It's too heavy and it looks like it's catered for Russians and Chinese, and it's not a coupe.
In a way, it' almost lazy, like recent BMW M offerings, lump a big engine in and forget about driving dynamics, weight and the old BMW trademark- finesse. The new M series seems to be for straight line speed boasters.
In a way, it' almost lazy, like recent BMW M offerings, lump a big engine in and forget about driving dynamics, weight and the old BMW trademark- finesse. The new M series seems to be for straight line speed boasters.
GranCab said:
QP List price was £69,995 in November 2004
I was sure you were incorrect but I checked - Indeed it was £70k. I have to admit, if it were my own money and I could afford the servicing costs, then the Maserarti Quattraporte is the sort of car I would give a second look whilst I was walking away having finished with it for the day. And that's the sort of car I dream of.
That's coming from a big M5 fanboy too.
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