New mot failure items from march 20th

[Disco_Biscuit]

GC8 said:

Thanks - do you have link to it? Are steering locks (mechanical) mentioned?

It would cover all aspects of modification, the notice just lists some examples,

http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/SN%2001%2020...


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[GC8]

Thank you.

[johnnnnnnyy]

Disco_Biscuit said:

The trouble is the most MOT testers don't really know the rules and don't follow the book as VOSA want.
An item has to be totally fked and about to kill someone to fail the MOT. Testing standards are far to high and VOSA are trying to educate testers regarding this,

Bit of info

If Airbag light is on = Fail
No Airbag Light = Pass and Advise

I don't work for Vosa I'm a tester and follow the rules, to many testers fail stuff that should pass.

Its all here, read it, if its not in here it can't fail, and for wear remember it has to be about to kill someone to fail, not a little bit of play, not alot, it has to be fked!

http://www.transportoffice.gov.uk/crt/doitonline/b...

Edited by Disco_Biscuit on Friday 29th March 02:44

I've got an unusual one, I have warning light on dash saying rear light is out, but the rear light works fine, would this fail?

[Disco_Biscuit]

johnnnnnnyy said:

I've got an unusual one, I have warning light on dash saying rear light is out, but the rear light works fine, would this fail?

No if the light is working, the warning lamp is not part of the MOT

[okie592]

big_boz said:

None of this matters to a propper PH though does it as a mid 90's TVR or Mk1 MX5 has almost none of these fetures, and certainly none with a warning light!

Those With 335d mapped and e46s will be worried

[johnnnnnnyy]

Disco_Biscuit said:

No if the light is working, the warning lamp is not part of the MOT

Many thanks

[Madscanner]

mcford said:

Madscanner said:

traction control switch N/A

Traction control isn't part of the test, it's the electronic stability programs which are and they aren't a traction control system.

Also the TPMS light has to indicate a fault with the system, if it's on because a tyre is low on pressure then it's working as intended.

And, on my car, there is neither traction control, nor any electronic stability program, so it's still N/A.

[Cerbieherts]

peterperkins said:

I think any warning bulb faking device will have to be more subtle shortly.

In the US ASFAIK they also plug in an OBDII reader and if there are relevant fault codes set or the readiness codes are not all completed then you can't pass testing.

So the failed SRS, ABS, etc will show up on the OBDII reader and the bulb not working/removed/disabled won't save you.

Expect that here fairly soon IMO.

Edited by peterperkins on Thursday 21st March 05:09

OBD only covers emmision specific items. It does not cover any other system on the vehicle.

[RikZS]

thecurleyone said:

Disco_Biscuit said:

The trouble is the most MOT testers don't really know the rules and don't follow the book as VOSA want.
An item has to be totally fked and about to kill someone to fail the MOT. Testing standards are far to high and VOSA are trying to educate testers regarding this,

Bit of info

If Airbag light is on = Fail
No Airbag Light = Pass and Advise

I don't work for Vosa I'm a tester and follow the rules, to many testers fail stuff that should pass.

Its all here, read it, if its not in here it can't fail, and for wear remember it has to be about to kill someone to fail, not a little bit of play, not alot, it has to be fked!

http://www.transportoffice.gov.uk/crt/doitonline/b...

Edited by Disco_Biscuit on Friday 29th March 02:44

Interested in this as my Peugeot 106 daily once in a blue moon puts the airbag light on. You just know that when it does it it'll be during the MOT
Reading the SRS section of your link it says the SRS warning lamp inoperative is a reason for rejection, so this means I can't take the bulb out then, just to make sure it doesn't come on during test? As presumably it has to come on then go off like an ABS light.

Well that's quite interesting!

Got the SRS light on in my car, tried lots of suggestions to try and put it out but to no avail, but reading this I can just whip the bulb out and it'll pass the MOT?! Seems AIrbags are a bit of a grey area MOT wise..

[Rich_W]

RikZS said:

Well that's quite interesting!

Got the SRS light on in my car, tried lots of suggestions to try and put it out but to no avail, but reading this I can just whip the bulb out and it'll pass the MOT?! Seems Airbags are a bit of a grey area MOT wise..

Testing manual says. http://www.motinfo.gov.uk/htdocs/m4s05000401.htm

Method Of Inspection said:

Turn on the ignition and check the presence and operation of any Supplementary Restraint System (SRS) malfunction indictor lamp(s)

Then says a RFR (Reason for Rejection - Fail) is

RFR said:

A Supplementary Restraint System (SRS) malfunction indicator lamp:
inoperative
or
indicating a system malfunction.

It also talks about how to identify whether the car has a SRS fitted as Original equipment (that being the key phrase). So if your airbags are there, then the bulb will be expected to be fitted. And removal will mean "inoperative" so a fail.

On a related note, most airbag lights are in the instrument cluster these days. Removal of the bulb isn't always possible since the introduction of LED and electro luminesence.

[Disco_Biscuit]

Rich_W said:

It also talks about how to identify whether the car has a SRS fitted as Original equipment (that being the key phrase). So if your airbags are there, then the bulb will be expected to be fitted. And removal will mean "inoperative" so a fail.

On a related note, most airbag lights are in the instrument cluster these days. Removal of the bulb isn't always possible since the introduction of LED and electro luminesence.

if you read my previous post there has been a special notice issued and you can't fail it on an inoperative srs lamp regardless what the manual currently states.

[markda]

John87 said:

Put my car in for MOT this morning

I'm not expecting any failures on the new items because my car is too old to have most of the electronic bits and I have no warning lights showing.

I was speaking to my tester when I dropped the car off and he reckons that there could be some cars written off on their first MOT under the new rules despite being mechanically sound. His thinking was that if something relatively low value but new enough to have all the fancy electronics comes in and fails on a couple of warning lights being lit, it could cost several thousand to repair. That could easily be more than the value of a 3 year old Korean hatchback.

I don't think your tester thought that through... Most manufacturers offer a 3 year warranty, with the cheaper Korean cars offering 5 years, some with unlimited mileage. So any issues would be down to the manufacturers to fix, definitely worth paying a dealer premium for that MOT test that takes place on the eve of your warranty expiration then!

[RikZS]

Rich_W said:

RikZS said:

Well that's quite interesting!

Got the SRS light on in my car, tried lots of suggestions to try and put it out but to no avail, but reading this I can just whip the bulb out and it'll pass the MOT?! Seems Airbags are a bit of a grey area MOT wise..

Testing manual says. http://www.motinfo.gov.uk/htdocs/m4s05000401.htm

Method Of Inspection said:

Turn on the ignition and check the presence and operation of any Supplementary Restraint System (SRS) malfunction indictor lamp(s)

Then says a RFR (Reason for Rejection - Fail) is

RFR said:

A Supplementary Restraint System (SRS) malfunction indicator lamp:
inoperative
or
indicating a system malfunction.

It also talks about how to identify whether the car has a SRS fitted as Original equipment (that being the key phrase). So if your airbags are there, then the bulb will be expected to be fitted. And removal will mean "inoperative" so a fail.

On a related note, most airbag lights are in the instrument cluster these days. Removal of the bulb isn't always possible since the introduction of LED and electro luminesence.

Reading that though, the testing manual is dated January 2012, the Special Notice is dated Match 2013.. Which clearly states 'SRS Lamp Inoperative has been removed for a Reason for Refusal... And is the newest, most up to date notice. So basically if you whip the bulb out its an advisory.

Is this Correct?

[Athlon]

RikZS said:

Reading that though, the testing manual is dated January 2012, the Special Notice is dated Match 2013.. Which clearly states 'SRS Lamp Inoperative has been removed for a Reason for Refusal... And is the newest, most up to date notice. So basically if you whip the bulb out its an advisory.

Is this Correct?

Yes.

[RikZS]

Athlon said:

Yes.

Take it your an MOT tester?

[Tyre Tread]

RikZS said:

Take it your an MOT tester?

Athlon's profile said:

Auto Tech, ex Maserati/Ferrari, Current MOT tester, now self employed working mainly on 60's muscle cars and Mustangs :-)

[Captain Muppet]

Athlon said:

RikZS said:

Reading that though, the testing manual is dated January 2012, the Special Notice is dated Match 2013.. Which clearly states 'SRS Lamp Inoperative has been removed for a Reason for Refusal... And is the newest, most up to date notice. So basically if you whip the bulb out its an advisory.

Is this Correct?

Yes.

So what if you just put some black tape over the light so it can't bee seen? Do you still get pass with an advisory?

If so it might be easier than taking the dash to bits.

[Athlon]

Tricky, if it can be seen and it's lit then it's a fail, if it's covered and you can't see it it would be an advise because we cannot remove any covers...

[GC8]

Id expect that a tape cover will be removed and the car failed. No amount of complaining unfails the car, and they know this.

[RikZS]

Okay I'll see what happens during the MOT Test on my MG next week, as the SRS has been illuminated for bloody ages and I cannot get it to go out after trying to resolve most of the common problems with it, such as underseat connectors etc. I have even changed the SRS ECU! Lol.

So over the weekend it'll be bulb out fom behind the cluster and a printout of the latest VOSA Mot notice to hand if anything arises.

I will try and give it another go at sorting the light out just incase though when I get some spare time.

Edited by RikZS on Wednesday 10th April 21:49