RE: BMW i3 prices confirmed
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I live in London and would not imagine life without my own means of transportation - I'm not trying to mingle with the "great unwashed"! I would happily own and drive this car particularly as hitting Central London would mean not thinking about CC. Fortunately for me there are 2 charge points directly across the road from where I live so it would suit me down to the ground...
r11co said:
Clap clap BMW. Exploiting an artificially created market (£5k government subsidy says it all). Well done, but spot the idiots who will buy in to this claptrap.
For once and for all - electric cars are not environmentally sound. They simply move the problem elsewhere and satisfy the NIMBY element of the environmental brigade (ie. the hypocritical majority of them...)
No one gives a sFor once and for all - electric cars are not environmentally sound. They simply move the problem elsewhere and satisfy the NIMBY element of the environmental brigade (ie. the hypocritical majority of them...)
t about your rant. Get over this stupid repetition of how 'green' it is. It IS less polluting (not that important) and I (like many others) would like an electric car simply on its merits!- More reliable;
- Much lower running costs;
- Driveablity; and my favourite
- No Cold Starts!!
I hate starting up and driving my M3 in the winter (and it hates it too).
An electric car can be a very good solution for many people and have a simplicity about them that I, for one, like.
mannyg said:
r11co said:
Clap clap BMW. Exploiting an artificially created market (£5k government subsidy says it all). Well done, but spot the idiots who will buy in to this claptrap.
For once and for all - electric cars are not environmentally sound. They simply move the problem elsewhere and satisfy the NIMBY element of the environmental brigade (ie. the hypocritical majority of them...)
No one gives a sFor once and for all - electric cars are not environmentally sound. They simply move the problem elsewhere and satisfy the NIMBY element of the environmental brigade (ie. the hypocritical majority of them...)
t about your rant. Get over this stupid repetition of how 'green' it is. It IS less polluting (not that important) and I (like many others) would like an electric car simply on its merits!- More reliable;
- Much lower running costs;
- Driveablity; and my favourite
- No Cold Starts!!
I hate starting up and driving my M3 in the winter (and it hates it too).
An electric car can be a very good solution for many people and have a simplicity about them that I, for one, like.
Benbay001 said:
pangster79 said:
I'll just nip down the shops...... oh - hang on, i need to wait 3 hours for it to charge!
Do you often run out of fuel now?Electric cars are a great idea for city dwellers where the fossil fuels can be burnt in a power station many miles away to reduce smog and stop people from breathing in harmful gases.
With a massive increase in diesel engined vehicles more particulates contribute to asthma. Now if they could convert all the buses.
Leggy said:
Benbay001 said:
pangster79 said:
I'll just nip down the shops...... oh - hang on, i need to wait 3 hours for it to charge!
Do you often run out of fuel now?Electric cars are a great idea for city dwellers where the fossil fuels can be burnt in a power station many miles away to reduce smog and stop people from breathing in harmful gases.
With a massive increase in diesel engined vehicles more particulates contribute to asthma. Now if they could convert all the buses.
Quite a decent article here:
http://www.sae.org/mags/aei/12056/
Looks like staggering value to me, and they expect to make money on them too.
http://www.sae.org/mags/aei/12056/
Looks like staggering value to me, and they expect to make money on them too.
I'm confused - what's this advanced technology people are talking about? Batteries and electric motors? To be perfectly honest I think they're taking the piss with the pricing of these cars, and still charging times are getting no better.
If I lived in a big city I would LOVE to have a zero emission car, but not at these prices. Could you imagine a £30k VW fox? As far as I can see, BMW (and everyone else making electric cars) are charging £15k-£20k for some electric motors and some batteries... Batteries that are bought off the shelf from battery producers? I can't imagine car companies are making their own.
This is a quirky looking little car, and I really, really want that VW hybrid concept thingy, but unless battery technology makes a giant leap (and that leap isn't going to come from building cars), I can't see them taking over, which is a shame.
If I lived in a big city I would LOVE to have a zero emission car, but not at these prices. Could you imagine a £30k VW fox? As far as I can see, BMW (and everyone else making electric cars) are charging £15k-£20k for some electric motors and some batteries... Batteries that are bought off the shelf from battery producers? I can't imagine car companies are making their own.
This is a quirky looking little car, and I really, really want that VW hybrid concept thingy, but unless battery technology makes a giant leap (and that leap isn't going to come from building cars), I can't see them taking over, which is a shame.
PunterCam said:
I'm confused - what's this advanced technology people are talking about? Batteries and electric motors? To be perfectly honest I think they're taking the piss with the pricing of these cars, and still charging times are getting no better.
If I lived in a big city I would LOVE to have a zero emission car, but not at these prices. Could you imagine a £30k VW fox? As far as I can see, BMW (and everyone else making electric cars) are charging £15k-£20k for some electric motors and some batteries... Batteries that are bought off the shelf from battery producers? I can't imagine car companies are making their own.
This is a quirky looking little car, and I really, really want that VW hybrid concept thingy, but unless battery technology makes a giant leap (and that leap isn't going to come from building cars), I can't see them taking over, which is a shame.
You really are confused... Your post just confirms you know nothing about what you speak of. Do a little bit of reading and you'll soon realise it's not £15-20k for batteries and an electric motor. And then you ask if the batteries are off the shelf? If I lived in a big city I would LOVE to have a zero emission car, but not at these prices. Could you imagine a £30k VW fox? As far as I can see, BMW (and everyone else making electric cars) are charging £15k-£20k for some electric motors and some batteries... Batteries that are bought off the shelf from battery producers? I can't imagine car companies are making their own.
This is a quirky looking little car, and I really, really want that VW hybrid concept thingy, but unless battery technology makes a giant leap (and that leap isn't going to come from building cars), I can't see them taking over, which is a shame.
Probably the sort of numpty who couldn't see the point of homework back in the day.
Do some reading if you are really interested. Then come back with a worthy comment!
Aaron W said:
they obviously make money thats the point but it isnt just about money its about fun besides if you would rather drive an electric car than a real car why are you on pistonheads the guardian is out there too
Ironic really. When all the petrol cars have gone maybe the 'Piston' part of PH will become brush or commutator or possibly battery..PunterCam said:
I'm confused - what's this advanced technology people are talking about? Batteries and electric motors? To be perfectly honest I think they're taking the piss with the pricing of these cars, and still charging times are getting no better.
If I lived in a big city I would LOVE to have a zero emission car, but not at these prices. Could you imagine a £30k VW fox? As far as I can see, BMW (and everyone else making electric cars) are charging £15k-£20k for some electric motors and some batteries... Batteries that are bought off the shelf from battery producers? I can't imagine car companies are making their own.
This is a quirky looking little car, and I really, really want that VW hybrid concept thingy, but unless battery technology makes a giant leap (and that leap isn't going to come from building cars), I can't see them taking over, which is a shame.
Charging times are not limited by the batteries.If I lived in a big city I would LOVE to have a zero emission car, but not at these prices. Could you imagine a £30k VW fox? As far as I can see, BMW (and everyone else making electric cars) are charging £15k-£20k for some electric motors and some batteries... Batteries that are bought off the shelf from battery producers? I can't imagine car companies are making their own.
This is a quirky looking little car, and I really, really want that VW hybrid concept thingy, but unless battery technology makes a giant leap (and that leap isn't going to come from building cars), I can't see them taking over, which is a shame.
A leaf can fast charge in 30 minutes.
And charge times are irrelevant most of the time if you charge the car where you park unless you are one of the weirdos that never park their car for more then an hour at a time. As I know my daily driver spends 23 hours a day parked.
Stewiegriffin said:
Indeed and I can see the problem if there is no chance at home. You can charge using 240V plug though
It is a bit of a problem because whilst around half of UK households have a garage or drive, a fair number of those live in rural areas where an electric car isn't a particularly practical proposition. For now I think these things will be restricted to the richer leafy suburbs of big cities, but that's still a pretty big market.An electric car would certainly be a far more practical proposition than an internal combustion powered one for me, to the extent that I'm even considering building one for my commute.
kambites said:
It is a bit of a problem because whilst around half of UK households have a garage or drive, a fair number of those live in rural areas where an electric car isn't a particularly practical proposition. For now I think these things will be restricted to the richer leafy suburbs of big cities, but that's still a pretty big market.
An electric car would certainly be a far more practical proposition than an internal combustion powered one for me, to the extent that I'm even considering building one for my commute.
Thing is, it's going to mean adoption may be a little slow initially whilst infrastructure catches up but it's only a matter of time. As I said a few pages back Coventry council have actually installed charging points in the city centre for electric cars (which are free to use I think!) and I know my place of work have been floating the idea for some time to encourage people to adopt electric vehicles.. I don't see why the same couldn't be rolled out into city centre car parks (where the charging cost goes onto your ticket or something) and then it's only a matter of time until a solution is found for residential streets where folks don't have driveways. An electric car would certainly be a far more practical proposition than an internal combustion powered one for me, to the extent that I'm even considering building one for my commute.
I honestly find the prospect of it all quite exciting. Not least because it's an entire new industry waiting to explode, with the potential creation hundreds of thousands of jobs, entirely new ways of doing things, etc.
Like Jay Leno said in a documentary, he reckons that alternative fuel cars will become the future but he thinks petrol cars will become something like horses are today (a recreational pasttime). Seems far fetched but.. I guess it's eminently possible in my lifetime.
Edited by Chicane-UK on Thursday 25th July 08:32
kambites said:
It is a bit of a problem because whilst around half of UK households have a garage or drive, a fair number of those live in rural areas where an electric car isn't a particularly practical proposition. For now I think these things will be restricted to the richer leafy suburbs of big cities, but that's still a pretty big market.
An electric car would certainly be a far more practical proposition than an internal combustion powered one for me, to the extent that I'm even considering building one for my commute.
I don't see why an electric car is less practical in a rural area.An electric car would certainly be a far more practical proposition than an internal combustion powered one for me, to the extent that I'm even considering building one for my commute.
I live in a very rural area and my nearest petrol station is 8 miles away, my nearest 16amp plug is 14 foot from my front door.
We tend to stay in of an evening
We always park in the same place.
If anything they are more suitable for rural living then a fossil fuelled car.
kambites said:
McWigglebum4th said:
I don't see why an electric car is less practical in a rural area.
Obviously it will still work for some people but many people who live in rural areas travel quite a long way to work and/or for other purposes. But with charging at work then you could easily do a 50 mile each way commute with a recharge while you drive a desk for 8 hours and then another charge while you sleep.
Which is 24000 miles a year
McWigglebum4th said:
That is more to do with commute length then location.
But with charging at work then you could easily do a 50 mile each way commute with a recharge while you drive a desk for 8 hours and then another charge while you sleep.
Which is 24000 miles a year
Yup, I know people who do exactly that with Leafs already. But with charging at work then you could easily do a 50 mile each way commute with a recharge while you drive a desk for 8 hours and then another charge while you sleep.
Which is 24000 miles a year
ash73 said:
PunterCam said:
If I lived in a big city I would LOVE to have a zero emission car
Is the purpose of the congestion charge to reduce congestion or emissions? While these things are idiosyncratic fair enough it encourages people to use them; but if they take off surely people will have to pay to use them in city centres?mannyg said:
- More reliable;
- Much lower running costs;
- Driveablity; and my favourite
- No Cold Starts!!
I hate starting up and driving my M3 in the winter (and it hates it too).
An electric car can be a very good solution for many people and have a simplicity about them that I, for one, like.
Of all the things an electric car will be good at, cold starts is not one of them. I think people are in for a big shock when they see just how much having the heater and lights on in the winter will effect the range on these things. The output of my petrol powered cars heater is probably getting on for 12kwh at max in winter. - Much lower running costs;
- Driveablity; and my favourite
- No Cold Starts!!
I hate starting up and driving my M3 in the winter (and it hates it too).
An electric car can be a very good solution for many people and have a simplicity about them that I, for one, like.
DaveCWK said:
Of all the things an electric car will be good at, cold starts is not one of them. I think people are in for a big shock when they see just how much having the heater and lights on in the winter will effect the range on these things. The output of my petrol powered cars heater is probably getting on for 12kwh at max in winter.
They're still good at cold starts, just not at keeping their occupants warm.I lived without a viable heater for long enough that I just wear a coat in the winter anyway.
You are of course right, that people used to shoving their heater on full blast in the winter wont get very far. Again not a problem with a ranger extender, though.ETA: 12KW is a bit OTT, mind. I've put a 2kw electric fan heater in my MG to dry it out when I've left the roof off in the rain and even with the windows open that's enough to raise the temperature to a point at which you couldn't comfortably sit in it. There's no way you'd need more than about 2kw to keep a car this small at a constant comfortable temperature in the British winter.
Edited by kambites on Thursday 25th July 09:30
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