Do you grow out of certain types of car?
Discussion
DaveMcC1967 said:
I was quite excited about the GT86 when details were first released, but having seen it, sat in it and seen the specs I'm not so sure.
- slower than the Fiesta: check
- less economical: check (I do about 13k miles pa)
- less secure / surefooted in bad weather: check (got the Caterham for tail out fun)
- more expensive: check (even 2nd hand ones are still more than a brand new ST)
Bottom line is I think they're overpriced for what they are.
Dave
How quick is a Fiesta then? Motor Trend clocked the FR-S (GT86 badged as a Scion in the US) at 6.2 sec 0-60mph. I didn't think the Fiesta was this sort of pace.- slower than the Fiesta: check
- less economical: check (I do about 13k miles pa)
- less secure / surefooted in bad weather: check (got the Caterham for tail out fun)
- more expensive: check (even 2nd hand ones are still more than a brand new ST)
Bottom line is I think they're overpriced for what they are.
Dave
That said, you said you wanted fun. So is price really that important? And lets face it, a BMW 118i or 120i are both slower and both more money than the Fiesta.
300bhp/ton said:
How quick is a Fiesta then? Motor Trend clocked the FR-S (GT86 badged as a Scion in the US) at 6.2 sec 0-60mph. I didn't think the Fiesta was this sort of pace.
MT clocked the Fiesta at 6.4s. Not much to choose between it and the GT86. Suspect the in-gear acceleration times would favour the Fiesta. http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/hatchbacks/131...
300bhp/ton said:
That said, you said you wanted fun.
He said he wanted practicality AND fun!Edited by AudiWurst on Friday 18th October 17:38
My Scottish roots mean I don't like spending more than I need to! I don't think fun is proportional to cost - so if I can have 90% of the fun for say 75% of the cost, I'll take the cheaper option.
The RS4 is a great all rounder - which is why I'm struggling with the idea of selling it. But it has the potential to start costing a lot more as the miles rack up (73k now) and 20ish mpg hurts when you're doing 13k miles pa. Still at the "thinking about it" stage though, and every time I have a great drive with a v8 soundtrack, I put the decision off. Sods law says one of the clutch / drc / oil cooler will fail before I get round to making a decision....
Dave
The RS4 is a great all rounder - which is why I'm struggling with the idea of selling it. But it has the potential to start costing a lot more as the miles rack up (73k now) and 20ish mpg hurts when you're doing 13k miles pa. Still at the "thinking about it" stage though, and every time I have a great drive with a v8 soundtrack, I put the decision off. Sods law says one of the clutch / drc / oil cooler will fail before I get round to making a decision....
Dave
Baryonyx said:
It tends to be cyclical. One minute, you want refined comfort, the next you want a hooligan than loves being thrashed.
I know that one, had an S13 decided I wanted a roadster so swapped it for a Eunos, while I had the Eunos I decided I wanted a T5, so bought an 850 T5. Loved that so much I bought an 850R. Then decided I had to have a hot hatch again, so bought a 182. Had that and decided it was too small, so bought a newage WRX estate, then decided I wanted a sportscar again so bought an S2k and 944.Right now, I'm wanting another swede barge for the winter!!
My missus doesn't even try to keep up!!
300bhp/ton said:
How quick is a Fiesta then? Motor Trend clocked the FR-S (GT86 badged as a Scion in the US) at 6.2 sec 0-60mph. I didn't think the Fiesta was this sort of pace.
That said, you said you wanted fun. So is price really that important? And lets face it, a BMW 118i or 120i are both slower and both more money than the Fiesta.
As 'merk fan, you are of course fully aware that US mags test the cars under somewhat advantageous circumstances.That said, you said you wanted fun. So is price really that important? And lets face it, a BMW 118i or 120i are both slower and both more money than the Fiesta.
Ross_ said:
I certainly did ... used to be Evos / Subaru's / Supra's
Basically anything Jap with a turbo and quick ticked my box's
Now i am looking for a new car it needs to have room for 3 kids / diesel and reliable , getting old is rubbish
Getting old is not rubbish but conforming to stereotypes is.Basically anything Jap with a turbo and quick ticked my box's
Now i am looking for a new car it needs to have room for 3 kids / diesel and reliable , getting old is rubbish
Some people grow out of the tending towards the more extreme end of things, while others simply get head on with different priorities.
I'd drive anything if I wanted to, regardless of age etc & my comfortably pensionable age old man enjoys trying & often giving the hot hatches I choose to drive the beans (in his own misguided way) when opportunity presents. Suits me and he enjoys it as a release from real world practicalities. Probably more manic than many here as well.
I'd drive anything if I wanted to, regardless of age etc & my comfortably pensionable age old man enjoys trying & often giving the hot hatches I choose to drive the beans (in his own misguided way) when opportunity presents. Suits me and he enjoys it as a release from real world practicalities. Probably more manic than many here as well.
300bhp/ton said:
I have no idea. But is the Fiesta ST a 5 door?
Besides, if it's occasional use of the rear seats. Does it matter that much? The Fiesta might have marginally more room in the back, but it's hardly a limo if you are going to transport 4 people frequently.
3 door only.Besides, if it's occasional use of the rear seats. Does it matter that much? The Fiesta might have marginally more room in the back, but it's hardly a limo if you are going to transport 4 people frequently.
Rear seat room is pretty good because of the square shape.
If room were the criteria, then a Mondeo uses the same engine and, from my experience, returns the same mpg, being more aerodynamic and better-geared.
Gwagon111 said:
I was excited by the BRZ/GT86 when I first heard about it. I test drove a GT86. It was underwhelming. It should be better. The 370z is much much better.
I have had a GT86 for 1000 miles now and yes, it might need a few more BHP, but, having had cars with much more power I decided that it's wasted on the road now. The GT has a superb chassis that needs to be worked and when you 'get it' it really is that good. I totally agree that it might fell a bit crap on the test drive but once really drive the car its superb. First proper moment - 91 mph over a crest..... not convinced about the Prius tyres bit god its fun
Terzo204 said:
otolith said:
Yet Nissan can barely give them away.
Great cars but everyone wants a diesel shopping car nowadays
.Then there's the finance deals angle to chuck in as well.
Given these & majority of cars being bought on the back of faceless corp's monthly money, no wonder Nissan sell about 3 a year.
Terzo204 said:
Gwagon111 said:
I was excited by the BRZ/GT86 when I first heard about it. I test drove a GT86. It was underwhelming. It should be better. The 370z is much much better.
I have had a GT86 for 1000 miles now and yes, it might need a few more BHP, but, having had cars with much more power I decided that it's wasted on the road now. The GT has a superb chassis that needs to be worked and when you 'get it' it really is that good. I totally agree that it might fell a bit crap on the test drive but once really drive the car its superb. First proper moment - 91 mph over a crest..... not convinced about the Prius tyres bit god its fun
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