RE: US coast-to-coast drive for Tesla Model S

[GoneAnon]

Chim said:

GoneAnon said:

Doesn't matter if you live 20 feet from a charging point if it uses the wrong plug, or the wrong charging system, or is operated by the wrong supplier, or is already in use, or the parking space is occupied by someone who can't read or doesn't care.

Also, hotels will do very well with all the overnight charging stops we'll need if we want to drive even a comparatively short distance.

Emmm, what part of 280 mile range are you struggling with exactly or are you not bothering to actually read about it and just spouting rubbish instead

I am referring to my experience this week with an EV - 50 miles was its quoted range but I chickened out when 16 miles saw the charge go from 81% to 45%. I abandoned it overnight at the park and ride that had charging facilities, just not the right ones.

It might suit someone with their own charging point and a relatively narrow operating area but it was worse than useless for me.

You might like them. I don't. Just because our opinions differ doesn't make mine rubbish!

[Chim]

GoneAnon said:

Chim said:

GoneAnon said:

Doesn't matter if you live 20 feet from a charging point if it uses the wrong plug, or the wrong charging system, or is operated by the wrong supplier, or is already in use, or the parking space is occupied by someone who can't read or doesn't care.

Also, hotels will do very well with all the overnight charging stops we'll need if we want to drive even a comparatively short distance.

Emmm, what part of 280 mile range are you struggling with exactly or are you not bothering to actually read about it and just spouting rubbish instead

I am referring to my experience this week with an EV - 50 miles was its quoted range but I chickened out when 16 miles saw the charge go from 81% to 45%. I abandoned it overnight at the park and ride that had charging facilities, just not the right ones.

It might suit someone with their own charging point and a relatively narrow operating area but it was worse than useless for me.

You might like them. I don't. Just because our opinions differ doesn't make mine rubbish!

^^^^please refer to thread title, your experience with a crap box electric is not the point of the discussion, the range on the Tesla is a confirmed 280 miles with a half hour quick charge for another 170. This is more than enough for 95% of people

[Prof Prolapse]

I have a diesel Focus at the moment. It supposed to do 76mpg combined, it only does 51mpg.

For that reason I know the Tesla mile range is a lie despite being proven in practical demonstrations as well as laboratory conditions.

[Carparticus]

Prof Prolapse said:

For that reason I know the Tesla mile range is a lie despite being proven in practical demonstrations as well as laboratory conditions.

ok, I'll bite. Your post as usual seems to be taking the piss .. so heres some factoids for people who might actually be genuinely interested..

Tesla's Roadster used to be promoted as being capable of 240miles. Whilst that is true for it being driving at a steady 56mph on the flat, I have driven a well used one up and down the M1 and actually managed 237 mils out of it, all done at an average of about 60mph and without booting it at every opportunity (175-200 is more normal though). This sort of daily range covers > 99% of all road users needs, assuming they had an early-adopter mentality to get one in the first place. Back in 2009 an bloke in Oz set out to get the world record and managed 311 miles, albeit driving like a nun ...


The Model S 85kwh version is promoted as being capable of 325miles. In the real world numerous reviews have found 260-270 is more likely in every day use. In 2012 a US owner proved that over 423 miles was possible using 98% of batteries capacity.

Ultimately, if you really are the sort of person who randomly wakes up and decides a trip to southern Italy to get a morning paper is required, and you're also a tight wad, then just go an buy a 10yr diesel for a couple of grand, that will be perfectly capable of over 60mpg all day long and probably get 700 miles out a tank. Etc. No ones suggesting we should all be forced into EVs, its still a free world and you can make your own choices between petrol, electrons, V8's and impulse power from magnetic fields

[Prof Prolapse]

How does that contradict what I said?

[AnotherClarkey]

Prof Prolapse said:

I have a diesel Focus at the moment. It supposed to do 76mpg combined, it only does 51mpg.

For that reason I know the Tesla mile range is a lie despite being proven in practical demonstrations as well as laboratory conditions.

How does that make sense? You are saying that the range has been demonstrated in both practical and laboratory conditions yet it is still a lie?

[Prof Prolapse]

Read the post above mine.

Then read mine.

Then have yourself removed from the gene pool.

[blearyeyedboy]

Prof Prolapse said:

Then have yourself removed from the gene pool.

Prof, I mean this nicely, honestly:

Play the ball and not the man. I'm happy to discuss and disagree, but let's not throw insults, please, or this whole thread gets ruined for everyone.

I've read your posts and respectfully disagree. Car manufacturer MPG claims are often optimistic, this is true. Tesla themselves claim a 325 mile range, so someone saying they got 260-270 miles in the real world seems feasible, yes? Or do you think I've missed something important?

[Prof Prolapse]

blearyeyedboy said:

Prof, I mean this nicely, honestly:

Play the ball and not the man. I'm happy to discuss and disagree, but let's not throw insults, please, or this whole thread gets ruined for everyone.

I've read your posts and respectfully disagree. Car manufacturer MPG claims are often optimistic, this is true. Tesla themselves claim a 325 mile range, so someone saying they got 260-270 miles in the real world seems feasible, yes? Or do you think I've missed something important?

1) It's not an insult. It's a recommendation for the good of humanity.

2) Yes, incredibly important. The big yellow smiley face indicating I was taking the piss out of someone else.

3) Please see (1).

[98elise]

Prof Prolapse said:

AnotherClarkey said:

Devil2575 said:

Prof Prolapse said:

"But the end of March, Tesla reckons half of the German population will live within 200 miles of a Supercharger"

Surely that is a typo?

You wouldn't brag about that. 20 miles surely?

Probably sounds quite impressive if you are from the USA and live in a massive, basically empty country. Somewhat less so in Germany.

I think this may be why the whole campaign is doomed to be honest, Tesla seem keen to focus on the US market. A population which is sparse, is culturally averse to electric cars, and doesn't hold the same incentives for either consumers or manufacturers. Why would you have an expensive electric car with battery paranoia, when you can buy a V8 and run it for buttons?

If they focus more on the EU market they'd have better success. It's all well and good mentioning this moderate success story but it'll carry little weight over the pond without weight of advertising and plugging.

Its currently outselling BMW, Audi etc in the big saloon class of cars, in the USA. People living in the states say they are everywhere.

[blearyeyedboy]

So anyway, for people interested in discussing things: What will it take for people to adopt? Lower prices, better infrastructure?

Yes, range is less than I'd like but circa 270 miles would be acceptable for me if other factors worked out OK.

Edited by blearyeyedboy on Sunday 9th February 15:26

[Chim]

blearyeyedboy said:

So anyway, for people interested in discussing things: What will it take for people to adopt? Lower prices, better infrastructure?

Yes, range is less than I'd like but circa 270 miles would be acceptable for me if other factors worked out OK.

Edited by blearyeyedboy on Sunday 9th February 15:26

Could live with this very easily and am thinking very hard on it just now. Need to see it first and drive it before making my mind up of course, as a petrol head through and through I will need to feel engaged by the car, performance figures are all well and fine, and this certainly looks damn impressive, if there is no connection though it won't get my hard earned.

[Prof Prolapse]

98elise said:

Its currently outselling BMW, Audi etc in the big saloon class of cars, in the USA. People living in the states say they are everywhere.

Really? I read on bloomberg, Tesla sold ~25,000 units worldwide in 2012 and 2013. BMW sold 56,000 5-series alone in the USA. I struggle to get the data, do you have a reference?

[kambites]

Prof Prolapse said:

98elise said:

Its currently outselling BMW, Audi etc in the big saloon class of cars, in the USA. People living in the states say they are everywhere.

Really? I read on bloomberg, Tesla sold ~25,000 units worldwide in 2012 and 2013. BMW sold 56,000 5-series alone in the USA. I struggle to get the data, do you have a reference?

The figure he's referring to is comparing it to the 7-series, A8, etc. I suppose it sits somewhere between the two classes in terms of size?

[98elise]

kambites said:

Prof Prolapse said:

98elise said:

Its currently outselling BMW, Audi etc in the big saloon class of cars, in the USA. People living in the states say they are everywhere.

Really? I read on bloomberg, Tesla sold ~25,000 units worldwide in 2012 and 2013. BMW sold 56,000 5-series alone in the USA. I struggle to get the data, do you have a reference?

The figure he's referring to is comparing it to the 7-series, A8, etc. I suppose it sits somewhere between the two classes in terms of size?

Yes its this class of car its outselling. As its a new company, with a new technology, I think its a staggering amount of sales.

I will definately be buying one as soon as fhey are in my price band. I can't think of a better car for my A to B motoring. quiet, efficient, reliable, and bloody quick.

Edited by 98elise on Sunday 9th February 20:01

[Welshbeef]

Think I am converted the on paper and owner reviews seem great just struggling to see any downside.

I guess the 85kw is what £80-100k when you spec it up so a pricy option currently.




Next step for Tesla which they clearly are working on is the family car £15-30k price point.


Anyone investing in Tesla shares?

[kambites]

Welshbeef said:

I guess the 85kw is what £80-100k when you spec it up so a pricy option currently.

It's a lot of money, but I suppose when you consider the size and performance of the thing it's not that bad. It certainly gets closer to its traditional rivals on price than things like the Leaf.

[AnotherClarkey]

Welshbeef said:

Think I am converted the on paper and owner reviews seem great just struggling to see any downside.

I guess the 85kw is what £80-100k when you spec it up so a pricy option currently.




Next step for Tesla which they clearly are working on is the family car £15-30k price point.


Anyone investing in Tesla shares?

I don't think you need to guess - the official pricing is on the website. The 85kWh Model S starts at £57,300 and the 85kWh Performance at £68,700. Yes, options will add to that but the pricing is much more reasonable than I expected.

[blearyeyedboy]

kambites said:

It certainly gets closer to its traditional rivals on price than things like the Leaf.

And that's a point that's often missed in these sorts of discussions- not many Golf buyers will be considering a BMW i3, but a few BMW 6 Series GranCoupé buyers will be eyeing this.

[gangzoom]

Those people comparing the Model S with diesels/i3/leaf are missing the point, the Tesla S is in the same market at high performance V8 petrol saloons. Last time I checked my petrol BMW 335i (which is a lot slower than a Tesla S) can just about manage 300 miles on tank, at £80-90 a pop to fill up, and in 3 years of owner the longest one day trip I've done in it is <200 miles (We use the diesel Civic for long trips).

Cannot wait for the next generation of cars from Tesla (apparently 3-4 years away), I have no interest in things like the i3/Leaf or saving the planet. All I want is nice fast car that I justify owning which doesn't cost the earth to run, at the moment anything faster than my 335i I simply cannot justify purely based on increased petrol costs alone.....But electric/hybrid is the future of high performance motoring, 100% torque from 0 rpm, £6 to 'fill up', no road tax, and the wife will be happy because its 'economical' whats not to love

Edited by gangzoom on Wednesday 12th March 15:55