Really fast cars v bikes?
Discussion
T0MMY said:
Actually my point was that I think you can! To me, the two feel very similar, barring the body movement.
Well then if that is true, fair play to you........for me, if it is a leisure vehicle or "toy" I don't care what it is 125cc bike 1000cc hyperbike, Mk1 RS Ford or latest supercar it is all about the "moment", how it makes ME feel, how quick it is in the hands of someone else is irrelevant............to me.Harvey Mushman00 said:
Well then if that is true, fair play to you........for me, if it is a leisure vehicle or "toy" I don't care what it is 125cc bike 1000cc hyperbike, Mk1 RS Ford or latest supercar it is all about the "moment", how it makes ME feel, how quick it is in the hands of someone else is irrelevant............to me.
I didn't mean they're similar in enjoyment for everyone, I meant in terms of the skills required. Which one you enjoy more is personal preference for sure...I'm pretty even between the two myself.anonymous said:
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Another good one of a stock S1000rr: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTv1BvEWyroT0MMY said:
Because a British Superbike is a hell of a lot closer to a MotoGP bike than a BTCC car is to an F1 car. Superbikes are basically the second fastest racing class that exists for bikes whereas BTCC cars...aren't. If the point is to show that bike laptimes can be quicker than some forms of racing car then that's hardly difficult (like my comparison with an MX5). The point is, are the best bikes ever quicker than the best cars. Clearly cars with significant downforce have a huge advantage and nothing is beating F1 so for interest we could say bike vs fastest car series without major downforce, to make it closer.
The Fireblade is a based on a road going model just like the BTTC is.Edited by T0MMY on Wednesday 15th October 18:32
There's Moto GP, WSB, and BSB then club championships and then the scum that do track days.
As methods of transport cars and motorbikes are chalk and cheese; add in any one or two issues such as distance, luggage, inclement weather, passengers, children, comfort, illness, age and many more and the car is nearly always going to win.
As for a fun drive, that's down to personal taste; like many things in life, you either get 'it' or you don't - 'it' in this case being motorcycling.
You can't say a motorcyclist will enjoy his Sunday blast any more or less than a car driver might because it's down to personal taste but you can say for a fact that a motorcyclist is risking more by his hooning around than a car driver ever will. 10 years as a Paramedic across North and West Yorkshire taught me that once the s
t hits the fan on a motorbike the body parts hit the scenery, in some cases literally.
I've had to tell wives, mothers and children of serious injuries and very often deaths - it's a much riskier thing to do today than it was ten or twenty years ago due to higher levels of traffic and more importantly, more things to distract us all.
As for the slightly silly billy-big-balls and skill-level arguement between F1 and MotoGP may I offer in the World Rally Car Driver? Billy, billy big balls and very high levels of skill IMHO, with only the IOM TT bearing any close comparison, and that has nice flat tarmac all the way round.
As for a fun drive, that's down to personal taste; like many things in life, you either get 'it' or you don't - 'it' in this case being motorcycling.
You can't say a motorcyclist will enjoy his Sunday blast any more or less than a car driver might because it's down to personal taste but you can say for a fact that a motorcyclist is risking more by his hooning around than a car driver ever will. 10 years as a Paramedic across North and West Yorkshire taught me that once the s
t hits the fan on a motorbike the body parts hit the scenery, in some cases literally.I've had to tell wives, mothers and children of serious injuries and very often deaths - it's a much riskier thing to do today than it was ten or twenty years ago due to higher levels of traffic and more importantly, more things to distract us all.
As for the slightly silly billy-big-balls and skill-level arguement between F1 and MotoGP may I offer in the World Rally Car Driver? Billy, billy big balls and very high levels of skill IMHO, with only the IOM TT bearing any close comparison, and that has nice flat tarmac all the way round.
E24man said:
You can't say a motorcyclist will enjoy his Sunday blast any more or less than a car driver might because it's down to personal taste
Yes, but I could surely say that if the car driver didn't know hot to ride a motorcycle they weren't able to comment?How can anybody say something is superior having never tried the alternative?
No, I think the car drivers are right, I would enjoy driving my £300,000.00 supercar more than my bike.
Doesn't every car driver on here own at least a 100k car and live in a 3 million pound mansion and is shagging a couple of supermodels.
No? That's right, most drive a diesel car and are not allowed to have a motorbike or are just too plain chick-st.
Doesn't every car driver on here own at least a 100k car and live in a 3 million pound mansion and is shagging a couple of supermodels.
No? That's right, most drive a diesel car and are not allowed to have a motorbike or are just too plain chick-s
t.Biker's Nemesis said:
The Fireblade is a based on a road going model just like the BTTC is.
There's Moto GP, WSB, and BSB then club championships and then the scum that do track days.
Why on earth does that make it a fair comparison? BSB is based on pretty much the fastest class of motorcycle that exists whilst BTCC is based on practical family cars. In conclusion, a top spec superbike is indeed a bit faster than a Honda Civic restricted to a power:weight ratio considerably lower than many showroom cars can boast There's Moto GP, WSB, and BSB then club championships and then the scum that do track days.
jamieduff1981 said:
A different angle - and it's not worth its own thread so I'll ask it here.
Does anyone have an enthusiasm for a car or a bike because of the mechanics of the machine being part of the attraction?
Definitely the appeal for me of a car or a bike resides to a large extent in the quality of its engine. So Lamborghini's undersquare Audi-saloon-derived V10 is not in the same class as Ferrari's V8 - which reflects in part how I see the respective cars.Does anyone have an enthusiasm for a car or a bike because of the mechanics of the machine being part of the attraction?
I've even gone to the extent of buying a dead engine from an S1000RR (wayward rod had let go and thrashed its way through crankcase
) to cut up its cylinder head to take a look inside. Short of a bespoke racing engine it would be difficult to find a better example of engine design.T0MMY said:
Why on earth does that make it a fair comparison? BSB is based on pretty much the fastest class of motorcycle that exists whilst BTCC is based on practical family cars. In conclusion, a top spec superbike is indeed a bit faster than a Honda Civic restricted to a power:weight ratio considerably lower than many showroom cars can boast
What else do you want them to race in BSB?Prof Prolapse said:
E24man said:
You can't say a motorcyclist will enjoy his Sunday blast any more or less than a car driver might because it's down to personal taste
Yes, but I could surely say that if the car driver didn't know hot to ride a motorcycle they weren't able to comment?How can anybody say something is superior having never tried the alternative?
If they can't, for whatever reason, then perhaps you can tell them how YOU feel riding a bike, but you will never know how they might feel.
If they have chosen not to ride a motorcycle, for whatever reason, then again it is down to PERSONAL taste.
I've highlighted for you the bits that are quite important to understand the point I was trying to make
anonymous said:
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Only in a straight line Having had a Hayabusa it's a great bike but also have a Dax Rush with supercharged Hayabusa engine and that's awesome too. But they are both different, for different experiences. A 747 is faster than a 458 too but they're for different purposes. Why does everybody want to compare a bike to a car ?
Even a Caterfield/Dax is not as involving as a bike like a GSXR1000 or S1000rr, everything is relative.
Biker's Nemesis said:
What else do you want them to race in BSB?
I'm not sure you're getting my point. Using BTCC vs BSB as an example of bikes being faster than cars round a track doesn't make much sense. It'd be like me saying cars accelerate quicker than bikes and putting up a video of a CG125 vs an R35.Take a look at this insane race on a motorway between an Audi R8 R-tronic (600 hp) vs GSXR 1000 (185 hp) and Ninja ZX-10R (201 hp) in Brazil. I had to close my eyes on several occasions!!!
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=785_1382580680
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=785_1382580680
Or how about this video on LiveLeak of a race between a R1 and a AMG Merc SL63 on a normal main road in Sweden, all captured on the camera fitted onto the bike. I can only assume the biker did not expect this to happen!
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b9c_1381241720
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b9c_1381241720
rich888 said:
Take a look at this insane race on a motorway between an Audi R8 R-tronic (600 hp) vs GSXR 1000 (185 hp) and Ninja ZX-10R (201 hp) in Brazil. I had to close my eyes on several occasions!!!
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=785_1382580680
Hmmm....3 dhttp://www.liveleak.com/view?i=785_1382580680
heads racing in heavy traffic and the bloke in the R8 was more nuts than the bikers were competent. He deserved a slap from his missus.rich888 said:
Or how about this video on LiveLeak of a race between a R1 and a AMG Merc SL63 on a normal main road in Sweden, all captured on the camera fitted onto the bike. I can only assume the biker did not expect this to happen!
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b9c_1381241720
That's an R6. R1 would be a different result.http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b9c_1381241720
E24man said:
You can't say a motorcyclist will enjoy his Sunday blast any more or less than a car driver might because it's down to personal taste
Now a sunday blast down a rain soaked motorway would be a different matter.
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