New F-type or lightly used Aston?
Discussion
Davey S2 said:
ORD said:
I I find all the jizz-in-the-pants about the F-Type a bit hard to follow. A 2-seater that weighs the same as a 3 Series estate is a bit embarrassing, as is its really ugly back end.
Each to their own. I think the back of the F Type is stunning
ORD said:
I don't think many keen drivers do, to be honest. Most fast cars are no longer designed for people who enjoy driving; they are designed for bhp, torque and 0-60 bragging rights, bling and pretty interiors!
What absolute tosh.There have always been good cars and less good cars. Nothing's changed. Some people choose to spend their money on bling and some lean towards the driving experience. Both are available out there in the market place.
0llie said:
longblackcoat said:
Agreed. I'd take the Jaguar every day of the week.
Me too, although I've always been a Jaguar fan. The last model Aston Martin made that I really and truly want (apart from the One-77) is the 550 Vantage. A muscle car in a tuxedo. OP, if your dream was an Aston, then it has got to be an Aston. The fact you can get them with a manual gearbox is a big bonus, and either the V8V or DB9 will be wonderful machines, VOlante or Coupe. A DB9 manual with Sport Package would be ideal
Claudia Skies said:
ORD said:
I don't think many keen drivers do, to be honest. Most fast cars are no longer designed for people who enjoy driving; they are designed for bhp, torque and 0-60 bragging rights, bling and pretty interiors!
What absolute tosh.There have always been good cars and less good cars. Nothing's changed. Some people choose to spend their money on bling and some lean towards the driving experience. Both are available out there in the market place.
Auto only sports cars.
Sports cars that weigh 1700kg and are packed with toys.
The speed goes up but the involvement goes down.
In general, the driving enthusiast was better served back in the day.
ORD said:
Electronic racks.
Auto only sports cars.
Sports cars that weigh 1700kg and are packed with toys.
The speed goes up but the involvement goes down.
In general, the driving enthusiast was better served back in the day.
Sorry but again Rubbish , for the last 6 years I have driven a Noble M12 , no abs no traction control and widely regarded as one of the best handling sports cars in the world , the F type is as good to drive !!!! Turn off the electronics , flick it into manual mode and it comes alive , leaving black lines wherever you like , doing donuts it you want (the v6 sS has a LSD) Auto only sports cars.
Sports cars that weigh 1700kg and are packed with toys.
The speed goes up but the involvement goes down.
In general, the driving enthusiast was better served back in the day.
The turn in is epic and it just does not want to understeer , pick up the throttle and it will steer from the rear no problem , forget to shift and it smacks into the limiter , no nany state up shifts , flick down too quickly and again it smacks into the limiter !!
It's a proper drivers car !!! Something as I proper driving enthusiast I love and the reason I bought it !!
TuxMan said:
Sorry but again Rubbish , for the last 6 years I have driven a Noble M12 , no abs no traction control and widely regarded as one of the best handling sports cars in the world , the F type is as good to drive !!!! Turn off the electronics , flick it into manual mode and it comes alive , leaving black lines wherever you like , doing donuts it you want (the v6 sS has a LSD)
The turn in is epic and it just does not want to understeer , pick up the throttle and it will steer from the rear no problem , forget to shift and it smacks into the limiter , no nany state up shifts , flick down too quickly and again it smacks into the limiter !!
It's a proper drivers car !!! Something as I proper driving enthusiast I love and the reason I bought it !!
Don't come around here talking all kinds of sense. Everybody knows it was much better in the past when all of this was fields as far as the eye can see...The turn in is epic and it just does not want to understeer , pick up the throttle and it will steer from the rear no problem , forget to shift and it smacks into the limiter , no nany state up shifts , flick down too quickly and again it smacks into the limiter !!
It's a proper drivers car !!! Something as I proper driving enthusiast I love and the reason I bought it !!
ORD said:
Davey S2 said:
ORD said:
I I find all the jizz-in-the-pants about the F-Type a bit hard to follow. A 2-seater that weighs the same as a 3 Series estate is a bit embarrassing, as is its really ugly back end.
Each to their own. I think the back of the F Type is stunning
there is a youtube video somewhere of the f-type vs the last incarnation of the XK and my god the f-types rear is humongous
Like the Ferrari FF - nice in pictures but about 20% too big in real life.
Daniel1 said:
+1
there is a youtube video somewhere of the f-type vs the last incarnation of the XK and my god the f-types rear is humongous
Like the Ferrari FF - nice in pictures but about 20% too big in real life.
The FF is hideous in the flesh. It looks like a 1 Series has smashed into the back of a Maserati and become melded into it.there is a youtube video somewhere of the f-type vs the last incarnation of the XK and my god the f-types rear is humongous
Like the Ferrari FF - nice in pictures but about 20% too big in real life.
IMO there are two things in the world of sportscar buying which can safely be ignored,
1. Chris Harris
2. Nurburgring lap times
OK, I should have said three,
3. Jeremy Clarkson (but you all knew that anyway)
The things that journalists get up to on closed circuits have very little to do with real world sportscar ownership.
1. Chris Harris
2. Nurburgring lap times
OK, I should have said three,
3. Jeremy Clarkson (but you all knew that anyway)
The things that journalists get up to on closed circuits have very little to do with real world sportscar ownership.
Claudia Skies said:
IMO there are two things in the world of sportscar buying which can safely be ignored,
1. Chris Harris
2. Nurburgring lap times
OK, I should have said three,
3. Jeremy Clarkson (but you all knew that anyway)
The things that journalists get up to on closed circuits have very little to do with real world sportscar ownership.
Agreed! The main problem is that they drive the cars ridiculously fast so have a completely different experience of them. The obsession with mid-range torque is a good example.1. Chris Harris
2. Nurburgring lap times
OK, I should have said three,
3. Jeremy Clarkson (but you all knew that anyway)
The things that journalists get up to on closed circuits have very little to do with real world sportscar ownership.
I went through a period really wanting to love aston as they are good value for the amount of brand prestige you get and do look good.
However I found the cars themselves are really second rate (I looked at db9 volante and Virage volante), could not get close to my oLd AMG SL! and I felt pretty poncy in it. That's probably because I was pretty young at the time and I do think they are a bit old man-ish. If you are older, fair enough, get one especially as you always wanted the brand. If you are younger Id get the f type and wait for aston to produce a better model that you can buy in the future, I hear great thigs about the v12v for example.
My colleague had a V8V and had endless reliability issues, as did my friends dad, as did endless other people. Reliability on those models is terrible.
P.S. I think you are wrong to call Ferrari vulgar, they are fantastic and produce some of the most beautiful cars in history in my opinion.
However I found the cars themselves are really second rate (I looked at db9 volante and Virage volante), could not get close to my oLd AMG SL! and I felt pretty poncy in it. That's probably because I was pretty young at the time and I do think they are a bit old man-ish. If you are older, fair enough, get one especially as you always wanted the brand. If you are younger Id get the f type and wait for aston to produce a better model that you can buy in the future, I hear great thigs about the v12v for example.
My colleague had a V8V and had endless reliability issues, as did my friends dad, as did endless other people. Reliability on those models is terrible.
P.S. I think you are wrong to call Ferrari vulgar, they are fantastic and produce some of the most beautiful cars in history in my opinion.
sealtt said:
I went through a period really wanting to love aston as they are good value for the amount of brand prestige you get and do look good.
However I found the cars themselves are really second rate (I looked at db9 volante and Virage volante), could not get close to my oLd AMG SL! and I felt pretty poncy in it. That's probably because I was pretty young at the time and I do think they are a bit old man-ish. If you are older, fair enough, get one especially as you always wanted the brand. If you are younger Id get the f type and wait for aston to produce a better model that you can buy in the future, I hear great thigs about the v12v for example.
My colleague had a V8V and had endless reliability issues, as did my friends dad, as did endless other people. Reliability on those models is terrible.
P.S. I think you are wrong to call Ferrari vulgar, they are fantastic and produce some of the most beautiful cars in history in my opinion.
So a Ferrari isn't vulgar but an Aston is poncy? Can't agree there, and compounding that with the current tense for Ferrari and beautiful cars adds to it. Had you used past tense, maybe, but I wouldn't call any current Ferrari beautiful, or even good looking. But that is a matter of personal taste.However I found the cars themselves are really second rate (I looked at db9 volante and Virage volante), could not get close to my oLd AMG SL! and I felt pretty poncy in it. That's probably because I was pretty young at the time and I do think they are a bit old man-ish. If you are older, fair enough, get one especially as you always wanted the brand. If you are younger Id get the f type and wait for aston to produce a better model that you can buy in the future, I hear great thigs about the v12v for example.
My colleague had a V8V and had endless reliability issues, as did my friends dad, as did endless other people. Reliability on those models is terrible.
P.S. I think you are wrong to call Ferrari vulgar, they are fantastic and produce some of the most beautiful cars in history in my opinion.
What a really fantastic and useful thread of replies. I have an F-Type V6S Coupe. A great chunky feeling sports car. It's been really interesting to see everyone's feedback.
I've been looking at buying a second car. A Maserati Gran Turismo Sport Auto or a DB9. Can't decide which. Perhaps I should start a topic!
My reply to the OP is that both are great cars. Both are different. Whichever you buy you'll most likely always wonder if you picked the right one. That's life. :-)
I've been looking at buying a second car. A Maserati Gran Turismo Sport Auto or a DB9. Can't decide which. Perhaps I should start a topic!
My reply to the OP is that both are great cars. Both are different. Whichever you buy you'll most likely always wonder if you picked the right one. That's life. :-)
Buy the Jag, enjoy it for three years and sell it on.....with an Aston you and your dealer will begin an intimate financial relationship and you will beg them to take back the car, and you will lose thousands. This is a head purchase not a heart purchase. If it was heart related you would buy a Maserati or a classic.
andyps said:
So a Ferrari isn't vulgar but an Aston is poncy? Can't agree there, and compounding that with the current tense for Ferrari and beautiful cars adds to it. Had you used past tense, maybe, but I wouldn't call any current Ferrari beautiful, or even good looking. But that is a matter of personal taste.
Whilst I agree with you that the current Ferrari line up isn't exactly beautiful in the classic sense, I personally think models like the 458 Speciale look absolutely fantastic, personal preference I suppose. However, I was referring to historic models with that statement, and I am sure Ferrari will continue to produce stunning looking cars in the future.I'll give you my reasoning for thinking the Aston is poncy: it is all looks / branding and no real substance. They look great, it sounds good to say 'I've got an Aston' but the models I tried (DB9 Volante & Vanquish Volante) were pretty uninspiring and very average cars to drive. Not good enough for GT cars, and certainly not exciting enough to be sports cars.
Ferrari on the other hand... whilst they can be very flashy, they back the looks up with some truly sensational cars. I have a F430 Spider which is a pleasure to drive out on good roads or on track, in another league in terms of quality of car vs the Aston's I've tried. I also took a 458 Spider out on track recently and it was without a doubt the greatest motoring experience of my life. Just so good that car. That's why I don't feel they are vulgar at all, and certainly not poncey, because the cars are as great and exciting to drive as they are flashy.
Anyway, my main point was to state that I would rather have the Jag as I just think it's a better purchase, I personally don't feel comfortable buying a car just for looks or brand, the car itself has to be good enough, or I'd feel pretty stupid driving it. That being said, I'm sure there are people who like the way the Aston drives, and if you are one of those maybe it makes sense, especially if you long to own one. Just for me they are not good cars and I have never really cared that much about brand, always been more interested in which car is the best to drive.
Edited by sealtt on Sunday 7th December 00:25
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