RE: Porsche Cayman GT4 vs. Lotus Exige V6 Cup
Discussion
Days Like These said:
sone said:
Is the Exige S3 actually any easier to get in or out of? My recent car seemed the same as my S1 Exige donkeys years ago?
I think that's the new Evora. Might be wrong.leglessAlex said:
You can't get the Cayman GT4 right now and the Evora is £20k more. Irrelevant comparison, no?
I'd agree if the GT4 was properly out of production etc. As it is they may very well build more.Thought V6 Exige was a bit more, and thought the Evora was a bit less, so fair enough, but if you have 70 ish to spend and buy a V6 Exige that doesn't leave you with much to buy a daily. I suppose my point is I'd rather spend a bit more to get what I think are noticeably more usable cars. Quite right that they are more expensive though.
Zyp said:
Ok, so how much real day to day experience of the Exige?
(You can discount the 911 as it brings nothing to this particular party)
Knew someone and went out a few times in the previous gen S/C'ed Exige in a nice dark green as a track car/occasional toy. Great car, abysmal everyday car.(You can discount the 911 as it brings nothing to this particular party)
The V6 is quite a bit different to the S2 Exige as a road car....
Your point about a useable everyday car is fairly moot - almost everyone I know with the Exige (in fact, everyone I know) have a 1st and/or 2nd car - the Exige is a 3rd car.
Look at the GT4 thread on here, almost all the buyers have other cars too.
We can labour the point about a useable everyday car, but in reality, these aren't them.
I drive a van (or an M3) everyday - come the weekend I want something that is impractical, 'pointless', awkward, and just a little bit different... the Exige really does make sense.
Your point about a useable everyday car is fairly moot - almost everyone I know with the Exige (in fact, everyone I know) have a 1st and/or 2nd car - the Exige is a 3rd car.
Look at the GT4 thread on here, almost all the buyers have other cars too.
We can labour the point about a useable everyday car, but in reality, these aren't them.
I drive a van (or an M3) everyday - come the weekend I want something that is impractical, 'pointless', awkward, and just a little bit different... the Exige really does make sense.
Zyp said:
I drive a van (or an M3) everyday - come the weekend I want something that is impractical, 'pointless', awkward, and just a little bit different... the Exige really does make sense.
I can see that actually. Horses for courses, I just think that it's great to have with the GT4 and Evora 400 cars that can be everyday but are also proper sports cars and manage a track, for less than a 911 C2. Before these two, I think if you wanted to have the full package in one car you had to have the 911.jamespink said:
Funny but honestly, how could you knowingly sink £65k in the Lotus? The proof of the pud is the "sold out" sign in the Porsche window. Proper car, hard, fast, reliable, appreciating investment at any point from today to 25 years time like all the special 911s - £300k 2.7 RS any one?
Very few cars turn out to be an 'investment' for the original owner who intends to use it. Very, very few. So; if you can afford either Lotus or Porsche (and all that that entails!) the primary consideration should be which car you really want. If it's a close call then, clearly, limiting one's liability comes to the fore.I like both these cars but feel they are excellent examples of the law of diminishing returns. With my priorities I'd be looking at a more mainstream variant on the (lightly) used market.
Edited by Darsettian on Tuesday 8th September 02:58
sone said:
Is the Exige S3 actually any easier to get in or out of? My recent car seemed the same as my S1 Exige donkeys years ago?
S2 Elises/Exiges already had lower sills compared to S1s.OT: What I find interesting is that many Porsche enthousiasts with an opinion on Lotus have actually never driven them, let alone been inside one. The magic is in the drive, simple as that.
Days Like These said:
sone said:
Is the Exige S3 actually any easier to get in or out of? My recent car seemed the same as my S1 Exige donkeys years ago?
I think that's the new Evora. Might be wrong.I'll bet a pound to a penny that Porsche make more GT4's in the first production run than Lotus will produce Cup cars in total.
Btw the Cup car on test came in at approx 68k. That was 63k for the car, 1.2k for the aircon, 1.5k for the paint, 1.5k for the purchase and installation of the larger 60ltr proalloy tank (the small std tank is probably the cars worst feature to moan about) and 0.8k for the reg plate. Everything else is standard kit.
You then have the options list to convert the car to the full Cup' R spec or parts there of. Wings, splitters, ohlins ttx, Xtrac full sequential gearbox, full cage (all the cup cars are pre prep'd for the cage to be retro fit) etc, etc.
The Cup car also comes with a warranty that doesn't exclude trackdays. Infact they positively encourage it.
Btw the Cup car on test came in at approx 68k. That was 63k for the car, 1.2k for the aircon, 1.5k for the paint, 1.5k for the purchase and installation of the larger 60ltr proalloy tank (the small std tank is probably the cars worst feature to moan about) and 0.8k for the reg plate. Everything else is standard kit.
You then have the options list to convert the car to the full Cup' R spec or parts there of. Wings, splitters, ohlins ttx, Xtrac full sequential gearbox, full cage (all the cup cars are pre prep'd for the cage to be retro fit) etc, etc.
The Cup car also comes with a warranty that doesn't exclude trackdays. Infact they positively encourage it.
Edited by TarmacT on Tuesday 8th September 08:55
On the Sport Auto comparison the Lotus also lost lots of points by doing a slower ring lap but if you watch the videos you will see that the track conditions were vastly different (much wetter for the Lotus). So the win could have been more than marginal for the Exige if conditions were fairer!
Vee12V said:
True, but Cup cars also come with 1 year of warranty instead of the standard 3 years.
and after every track day you need to take it back to lotus to keep that very poor 1 year warranty.what is the issue with the V6 Exige eating rear tyres ?
I know if you want to track it a few people now spend £15k to fit a working gear box :-p, but Motorsport places seem to state the C of G is too high and the car eats rears !
Seems the V6 Exige has a few of it own flaws ! and 1 year warranty is laughable esp on the Elise CUP road car !
£15k is a major commitment to fit that xtrac sequential box on top of a £65k car.
As I have stated lets hope some of these flaws are fixed on the charged cooled car, espthe gear change, not sure they will fix the high C of G or rear tyre eating problems.
PorscheGT4 said:
and after every track day you need to take it back to lotus to keep that very poor 1 year warranty.
Who told you that? Load of rubbish. Lotus will warrant the car for 1yr or 6000 miles. If you choose to do 6000 track miles they will cover it. You don't have to take the car back after evry trackday, you may want to increase its service levels from the norm if you do choose to do nothing but track work.If you want 3yr warranty buy the road car. It is sold as a trackday car.
PorscheGT4 said:
Vee12V said:
True, but Cup cars also come with 1 year of warranty instead of the standard 3 years.
and after every track day you need to take it back to lotus to keep that very poor 1 year warranty.what is the issue with the V6 Exige eating rear tyres ?
I know if you want to track it a few people now spend £15k to fit a working gear box :-p, but Motorsport places seem to state the C of G is too high and the car eats rears !
Seems the V6 Exige has a few of it own flaws ! and 1 year warranty is laughable esp on the Elise CUP road car !
£15k is a major commitment to fit that xtrac sequential box on top of a £65k car.
As I have stated lets hope some of these flaws are fixed on the charged cooled car, espthe gear change, not sure they will fix the high C of G or rear tyre eating problems.
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