RE: Alpine A110 - Geneva 2017
Discussion
nickfrog said:
I am still not convinced they will be down to £10k second hand by 2020 as someone said on another thread, let alone £35k.
Sorry, that was me talking b
ks. I didn't literally mean £10K but the brand value in the UK of the Alpine name was so low that when the GTA and A610 were current, they dropped like a stone on Jupiter (the A610 less so). I know as I had both and were amazing value when I bought them at 2 years old.Something funny happened to the RHD premier edition A110s as earlier this week, almost all the chassis numbers were available. Then suddenly the numbers dropped and then the app was pulled altogether, being replaced with a standard edition app.
We shall see how many turn up in RHD.
The Mrs was pushing me to get a premier edition one but I didn't feel comfortable.
What is the saying though, disappointment is temporary, regret lasts a lifetime.
It would have been fun to enjoy the build up to it arriving but there you go.
Shoegrip said:
The Mrs was pushing me to get a premier edition one but I didn't feel comfortable.
What is the saying though, disappointment is temporary, regret lasts a lifetime.
It would have been fun to enjoy the build up to it arriving but there you go.
I took the view that the ethos of the car was spot on for me and if the reality turned out to be different (or I changed my mind) I could pull the plug and all I would have lost was the (negligable) interest I would have made on £2000. What is the saying though, disappointment is temporary, regret lasts a lifetime.
It would have been fun to enjoy the build up to it arriving but there you go.
And if it really turns out to be a superb drive plus gets a few good reviews by high profile journalists... It might not go anywhere price wise for a while. Depends a bit on how many they will build/year and what happens once initial demand has been met. I read somewhere it has a standard 'mass production' type approval so they don't have to limit output (in contrast to the 4C).
Speaking of the 4C, they increased the price quite a bit over here after a while. Not sure if this was a reaction to demand or if it turned out to be more expensive to build than planned.
Would hope they bring out an 'entry level' spec that starts somewhere under €50k. Premiere Edition is just a bit too much for my not so deep pockets. But a basic car with minimal stuff? As BCR said, not much interest to be had on the deposit anyway... Hmhm... Where's that phone
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Speaking of the 4C, they increased the price quite a bit over here after a while. Not sure if this was a reaction to demand or if it turned out to be more expensive to build than planned.
Would hope they bring out an 'entry level' spec that starts somewhere under €50k. Premiere Edition is just a bit too much for my not so deep pockets. But a basic car with minimal stuff? As BCR said, not much interest to be had on the deposit anyway... Hmhm... Where's that phone
?Kolbenkopp said:
Would hope they bring out an 'entry level' spec that starts somewhere under €50k. Premiere Edition is just a bit too much for my not so deep pockets. But a basic car with minimal stuff? As BCR said, not much interest to be had on the deposit anyway... Hmhm... Where's that phone
?Kolbenkopp said:
And if it really turns out to be a superb drive plus gets a few good reviews by high profile journalists... It might not go anywhere price wise for a while. Depends a bit on how many they will build/year and what happens once initial demand has been met. I read somewhere it has a standard 'mass production' type approval so they don't have to limit output (in contrast to the 4C).
Speaking of the 4C, they increased the price quite a bit over here after a while. Not sure if this was a reaction to demand or if it turned out to be more expensive to build than planned.
Would hope they bring out an 'entry level' spec that starts somewhere under €50k. Premiere Edition is just a bit too much for my not so deep pockets. But a basic car with minimal stuff? As BCR said, not much interest to be had on the deposit anyway... Hmhm... Where's that phone?
With the 4c i think the price rise was down to exchange rates Speaking of the 4C, they increased the price quite a bit over here after a while. Not sure if this was a reaction to demand or if it turned out to be more expensive to build than planned.
Would hope they bring out an 'entry level' spec that starts somewhere under €50k. Premiere Edition is just a bit too much for my not so deep pockets. But a basic car with minimal stuff? As BCR said, not much interest to be had on the deposit anyway... Hmhm... Where's that phone
?
I put a deposit down a few weeks back for launch edition.
My view was nobody had seen car in the flesh and Geneva was looming. If people loved the car in the flesh then a good car to have for 2018 with low depreciation. If people hated it, cancel the order and get your deposit back.
Seems to be the former based on reviews so far.
My view was nobody had seen car in the flesh and Geneva was looming. If people loved the car in the flesh then a good car to have for 2018 with low depreciation. If people hated it, cancel the order and get your deposit back.
Seems to be the former based on reviews so far.
bcr5784 said:
At the moment all I'm pretty sure of is that the Premiere edition will have Sat Nav and 18" forged (good if light) wheels which I like. Not sure about anything else and what sort of premium I'm effectively being asked to pay. However the T&Cs suggest you can transfer your deposit to a standard edition if that suits (or get it refunded)
The wheels are from Otto Fuchs which bodes well for the weight. I'd like something monochrome better but that's not relevant really 
. The Fuchs Porsche things -- even the 10" wide ones in the classic shape -- are under 9kg in 18" which isn't bad at all.Gazing into my freshly polished crystal ball, guess the PE will also get you: a reversing camera (can be seen in pix of the rear), the Focal HiFi kit, and the really rather nice leather seats and trim. Would surprise me if they'd throw any of that in for free with the standard models. I can also see them take out stuff like cruise control, TFT gauges, extended trip computer etc. Time will tell...
IMO, if the demand continues to correlate with the interest the thing gets, pulling the trigger on a PE was a good idea. Bien joué!
. Cold said:
What's that? You want a few nerd pictures? Ok, but these three are all I've got.
And the back end waiting for an aftermarket V6/6 speed manual conversion:
Nice pix, merci! Really wonder how they made the rest of the chassis / tub and where they bond, rivet or weld. And a NA I4 manual conversion would also be interesting. Must be a way to get thing under a ton And the back end waiting for an aftermarket V6/6 speed manual conversion:
. Kolbenkopp said:
The wheels are from Otto Fuchs which bodes well for the weight. I'd like something monochrome better but that's not relevant really . The Fuchs Porsche things -- even the 10" wide ones in the classic shape -- are under 9kg in 18" which isn't bad at all.
Gazing into my freshly polished crystal ball, guess the PE will also get you: a reversing camera (can be seen in pix of the rear), the Focal HiFi kit, and the really rather nice leather seats and trim. Would surprise me if they'd throw any of that in for free with the standard models. I can also see them take out stuff like cruise control, TFT gauges, extended trip computer etc. Time will tell...
IMO, if the demand continues to correlate with the interest the thing gets, pulling the trigger on a PE was a good idea. Bien joué!.
Thanks for that. Not sure whether all the extras will appeal - I'd be surprised if the car was quiet enough for a premium sound system (and I rarely listen to anything while driving), and I've never got the appeal of cruise control but, as you say, time will tell and the bean counters will probably have their say before things are finalised. Good spot on the reversing camera - probably very desirable, though it also has parking sensors front and rear.. The Fuchs Porsche things -- even the 10" wide ones in the classic shape -- are under 9kg in 18" which isn't bad at all.Gazing into my freshly polished crystal ball, guess the PE will also get you: a reversing camera (can be seen in pix of the rear), the Focal HiFi kit, and the really rather nice leather seats and trim. Would surprise me if they'd throw any of that in for free with the standard models. I can also see them take out stuff like cruise control, TFT gauges, extended trip computer etc. Time will tell...
IMO, if the demand continues to correlate with the interest the thing gets, pulling the trigger on a PE was a good idea. Bien joué!
. Edited by bcr5784 on Sunday 12th March 09:13
Spent some time looking at the car yesterday, got a deposit on a PE within an hour of the app coming out - mixed feelings - love the look and ethos of the car but, according to the guy on the stand, €58k for the PE in Europe, will see how that pans out in the U.K. But high £50ks I might struggle to justify, tho a basic car sub £50k might be a lot more attractive depending what is and is not standard. Those wondering if it will just feel like a Renault Clio parts bin special in side need worry no longer, but those who like rear visibility will need to look elsewhere - seats did look and feel special and were very comfortable
Trikster said:
but those who like rear visibility will need to look elsewhere -
That's worrying. Are we talking on the move (rear or 3/4) or parking. With a rear camera and sensors, parking shouldn't be a real issue, but issues joining motorways or at angled junctions would be a killer for me.bcr5784 said:
Trikster said:
but those who like rear visibility will need to look elsewhere -
That's worrying. Are we talking on the move (rear or 3/4) or parking. With a rear camera and sensors, parking shouldn't be a real issue, but issues joining motorways or at angled junctions would be a killer for me.Through the back window, be surprised if you could see anything useful on the road (camera/sensors a must have for parking), rear 3/4, probably no worse that something like a Boxster - you may need to jiggle a bit to get a decent view when maneuvering - and in bucket seats that can be a bit tricky....
For me it's going to have to be down to a drive - one advantage of the later release of RHD cars I should be able to at least drive a LHD car before finally commiting
For me it's going to have to be down to a drive - one advantage of the later release of RHD cars I should be able to at least drive a LHD car before finally commiting
Trikster said:
Through the back window, be surprised if you could see anything useful on the road (camera/sensors a must have for parking), rear 3/4, probably no worse that something like a Boxster - you may need to jiggle a bit to get a decent view when maneuvering - and in bucket seats that can be a bit tricky....
For me it's going to have to be down to a drive - one advantage of the later release of RHD cars I should be able to at least drive a LHD car before finally commiting
Thanks for that. Fancy a trip to France towards the end of the year?For me it's going to have to be down to a drive - one advantage of the later release of RHD cars I should be able to at least drive a LHD car before finally commiting
Well I put a deposit down pretty early on an LE car and I didn't really get the comments from some about being worried as they wanted more info first - the money is refundable and if you want a car now, LE is fully sold out including UK RHD cars which were the last to sell out, so you have to go on a waiting list for the base car that will follow
I was at geneva on friday and pleasantly surprised at the room inside - I'm not saying it's a large car or has much room other than for driver & passenger, but the shoulder & headroom (I'm 6'1 and not slim !) was really not bad. Luggage space btw consists of a front compartment that holds two standard but slim) trolley cases side by side (not included) and a rear compartment designed to hold two helmets
I was told the 18" Fuchs on the LE car will be an option on the base cars - the base car will have 17" wheels with one or more option wheels which will most likely include the Fuchs, but the Fuchs are considered the best wheel. I think sat nav and one or two other bits potentially including leather trim will be options on the base car, but I don't really see how the base cars can have a different stereo/speakers or a different screen to the launch cars. I watched a youtube video with the designers where it was suggested the LE cars will be 22kgs heavier than the 1,083kgs of the base car. In the same interview they challenged the journos to weight a fully fueled A110 with all fluids as they say it will definitely weigh no more than they have stated, unlike some manufacturers....
As for price, one of two things will happen. LE car will either be the sterling equivalent of the 58.5k euros price (i.e. currently c. £52k) or, as I think more likely, will be pegged to the price of Cayman here, which influenced the price in euros in France
In France, Cayman is 54k euros and Cayman S is almost 67k euros. A110 (LE) is 58.5k euros
Here in the UK, Cayman is £40k and Cayman S is £49k. My best guess is therefore that launch edition will be mid £40ks here in the UK, say £44k - £45k. I know (as they were quick to point out on the stand) that Cayman has less as standard, but I don't think they will want to launch LE cars costing as much or more than a Cayman S
I was at geneva on friday and pleasantly surprised at the room inside - I'm not saying it's a large car or has much room other than for driver & passenger, but the shoulder & headroom (I'm 6'1 and not slim !) was really not bad. Luggage space btw consists of a front compartment that holds two standard but slim) trolley cases side by side (not included) and a rear compartment designed to hold two helmets
I was told the 18" Fuchs on the LE car will be an option on the base cars - the base car will have 17" wheels with one or more option wheels which will most likely include the Fuchs, but the Fuchs are considered the best wheel. I think sat nav and one or two other bits potentially including leather trim will be options on the base car, but I don't really see how the base cars can have a different stereo/speakers or a different screen to the launch cars. I watched a youtube video with the designers where it was suggested the LE cars will be 22kgs heavier than the 1,083kgs of the base car. In the same interview they challenged the journos to weight a fully fueled A110 with all fluids as they say it will definitely weigh no more than they have stated, unlike some manufacturers....
As for price, one of two things will happen. LE car will either be the sterling equivalent of the 58.5k euros price (i.e. currently c. £52k) or, as I think more likely, will be pegged to the price of Cayman here, which influenced the price in euros in France
In France, Cayman is 54k euros and Cayman S is almost 67k euros. A110 (LE) is 58.5k euros
Here in the UK, Cayman is £40k and Cayman S is £49k. My best guess is therefore that launch edition will be mid £40ks here in the UK, say £44k - £45k. I know (as they were quick to point out on the stand) that Cayman has less as standard, but I don't think they will want to launch LE cars costing as much or more than a Cayman S
jonby said:
I was told the 18" Fuchs on the LE car will be an option on the base cars - the base car will have 17" wheels with one or more option wheels which will most likely include the Fuchs, but the Fuchs are considered the best wheel. I think sat nav and one or two other bits potentially including leather trim will be options on the base car, but I don't really see how the base cars can have a different stereo/speakers or a different screen to the launch cars. I watched a youtube video with the designers where it was suggested the LE cars will be 22kgs heavier than the 1,083kgs of the base car. In the same interview they challenged the journos to weight a fully fueled A110 with all fluids as they say it will definitely weigh no more than they have stated, unlike some manufacturers....
I hope you are right on price. It would be interesting to know where the 22kgs come from, given that the wheels are (presumably) lighter. It would be surprising (but not impossible) that the base car comes without aircon, but otherwise 22kg is quite a lot of extra trim and soundproofing, particularly if all cars get the same audio. Re real weights I suspect that might have been sideswipe at Porsche (who play silly buggers with weights of their halo cars - deleting aircon, and audio and fitting smaller tanks - and then making all upgradable for free) - possibly Lotus too, who are rather coy about what is included. I notice that they also make an issue of gearing - the Caysters are oft criticised for being overgeared, presumably for economy reasons.
bcr5784 said:
jonby said:
I was told the 18" Fuchs on the LE car will be an option on the base cars - the base car will have 17" wheels with one or more option wheels which will most likely include the Fuchs, but the Fuchs are considered the best wheel. I think sat nav and one or two other bits potentially including leather trim will be options on the base car, but I don't really see how the base cars can have a different stereo/speakers or a different screen to the launch cars. I watched a youtube video with the designers where it was suggested the LE cars will be 22kgs heavier than the 1,083kgs of the base car. In the same interview they challenged the journos to weight a fully fueled A110 with all fluids as they say it will definitely weigh no more than they have stated, unlike some manufacturers....
I hope you are right on price. It would be interesting to know where the 22kgs come from, given that the wheels are (presumably) lighter. It would be surprising (but not impossible) that the base car comes without aircon, but otherwise 22kg is quite a lot of extra trim and soundproofing, particularly if all cars get the same audio. Re real weights I suspect that might have been sideswipe at Porsche (who play silly buggers with weights of their halo cars - deleting aircon, and audio and fitting smaller tanks - and then making all upgradable for free) - possibly Lotus too, who are rather coy about what is included. I notice that they also make an issue of gearing - the Caysters are oft criticised for being overgeared, presumably for economy reasons.
Can't remember the exact video, but I think it was this one where they talked about the extra weight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTGmR9RQ2us&t=...
If not it might have been this one - both are interesting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu55De8kp00
Sat nav was definitely mentioned as an option on non-LE cars. I suspect leather might add some of the weight. I assume they will use the same seat, but that would be an obvious weight saver if they don't
They have made a big deal about the lightweight speaker cones - I suppose they could have a heavier speaker in the standard car but I can't see them having no stereo and I'm not even sure it's worth the cost saving of having two different speaker options
Oh and I've just checked - it's a 20kg difference - it's 1083kg for the base car, 1103 kg for the launch car
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