RE: BMW M4 CS - official

[culpz]

I didn't even realise there was a CS version of the E46. I just assumed that was just a shortening of letters on when saying CSL. Now i feel daft

I'm not one to get in on a debate of new car prices, especially from a German manufacturer such as BMW and on their halo M model(s). However, it got me thinking that if they did make a CSL model of this, in correlation to this price hike, you could have an M4 which will be priced at well over 100k. No matter which was you look at it, that's a ludicrous amount of money!

A 2 year old M4 on the used market looks like great value right now. I'm not sure why you'd need more. I don't really see what more you're getting. Spend a few quid tuning the engine, tweaking the suspension and anything else if you want more from it. Other than that, it just looks like money down the drain to me.

[Wills2]

Rumour has it they will make a CSL version and it will be above the 120k GTS in terms of price and performance, although I feel that will need to be one charming motherfking M3 to sell at that price.

[Fresh Prince]

D200 said:

Agreed, the price of this CS is beyond silly but I'm sure BMW UK will sell their allocation regardless

I'd prefer an M3 Saloon - something like this:

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

Great colour, then just get it remapped by Birds or ACS or someone to give it around 500 with a 3 year warranty. Job done for half the money

Agree with the M3/M4 comments. I think the M3 proportions work better on this platform than the M4, and it's what I'd pick.

That advert above is unforgivable though, it mentions the "3.0 V6"...

[epom]

Standard M4 check, M4 competition pack check. M4 GTS check. M4 CS check. I sense an M4 CSL in the works, just short the M4 evo, M4 22B, M4 GT3, M4 GTS competition, M4 competition CS, M4 green edition, M4 52 jahre edition, M4 blue edition, M4 Moto GP edition, M4 F1 edition, and the M4 John Deere edition.
Not forgetting the limited edition run out model then do course.

[HJMS123]

RemyMartin81D said:

Good god those are some of the worst looking wheels I've ever seen!!

Make TSW Venoms look classy

Me and you are probably the only two members on here who hate the CP wheels! I think they are one of the cheapest looking alloys on the market

The standard ones i like but even more so the old school CSL style wheels

[DPSFleet]

SirSquidalot said:

£90k

Buy a regular M4, spent some money tuning it have a better car for alot less!

Spot on, I am sure alpine could sort you out.

[f12tdfoneday]

The Quadrifoglio called, it wants its spoiler back.

[Nors]

smilo996 said:

280BHP for the B5 Quattro with its 2.7 twin turbo looks a bit limp. Progress, have to love it.

To be pedantic, the B5 S4 was 265bhp when it came out in 1998. The then E36 M3 had 282bhp but less torque, hardly makes the S4 any more 'limp' than the then current BMW.

[Max Delph]

IMO a great looking car and a spec that floats many of my boats other than availability of a manual which seems an odd oversight seeing as you can spec this on CP cars so no re-engineering required. Anyhow any potential ownership is blown out of the water by the price which seems about £25k too much.

I have just got out of my M2 before the prices soften with LCI cars and the M2 CS being announced. I was thinking about a M2 CS but this M4 CS pricing strategy makes me think that it too may be out of reach.

[mwstewart]

HJMS123 said:

RemyMartin81D said:

Good god those are some of the worst looking wheels I've ever seen!!

Make TSW Venoms look classy

Me and you are probably the only two members on here who hate the CP wheels! I think they are one of the cheapest looking alloys on the market

The standard ones i like but even more so the old school CSL style wheels

You can add me to that list.

[The GMan]

DPSFleet said:

SirSquidalot said:

£90k

Buy a regular M4, spent some money tuning it have a better car for alot less!

Spot on, I am sure alpine could sort you out.

My M4 doesn't need a new head unit and it's not related Renault, so not sure what Alpine could do for me!?

[The GMan]

I think it will be an amazing bit of kit but it is expensive.

I agree with some others on here too, as I also think the alloys on the M4 CP are terrible.

[D200]

mwstewart said:

You can add me to that list.

Me too.

I think standard ones are one of the nicest wheels about, really suit all bmws

Csl wheels are nice but don't suit new 3 series as much as e46 or e90 so standard all the way for me.

Saying that the black cs wheels are nice

Edited by D200 on Thursday 20th April 11:38

[WCZ]

D200 said:

You are also totally wrong in regards to the 22B

The 22B was massively over priced when new, and the mags complained as much at the time and said the P1 was better driving for about half the money

The 22B was 40k in 1998 - inflation adjusted thats 67K in todays money

Could you imagine if Subaru brought out a 67k Impreza today? It would make the massively over priced M4 CS look like the bargain of the century!

fair enough, didn't know it was that expensive!

[Henno196]

Max_Torque said:

The problem i have the the M4, is, the M3!

It's just a better looking car, as the rear doors and hence the higher rear roof line give the car a more pleasing overall stance, especially in the way it highlights the rear wheel arch flares and how they sit around the tyres:

Yeah I also think the M3 is a much better looking car, from the rear quarter back I don't like the M4 at all. Plus I like the prospect of a fast saloon because coupes are supposed to be fast.

This whole pricing controversy is just BMW getting in on what Porsche have been doing for years.

[Guffy]

mwstewart said:

HJMS123 said:

RemyMartin81D said:

Good god those are some of the worst looking wheels I've ever seen!!

Make TSW Venoms look classy

Me and you are probably the only two members on here who hate the CP wheels! I think they are one of the cheapest looking alloys on the market

The standard ones i like but even more so the old school CSL style wheels

You can add me to that list.

I made an impulse decision to buy a very nice white M4 CP that was in the local BMW showroom last month, was a fair deal too, but I just couldn't get past the look of those wheels, so backed-out the next day. Shallow, me?

[epom]

WCZ said:

D200 said:

You are also totally wrong in regards to the 22B

The 22B was massively over priced when new, and the mags complained as much at the time and said the P1 was better driving for about half the money

The 22B was 40k in 1998 - inflation adjusted thats 67K in todays money

Could you imagine if Subaru brought out a 67k Impreza today? It would make the massively over priced M4 CS look like the bargain of the century!

fair enough, didn't know it was that expensive!

But, the 22B truly was a bespoke special edition car, not a trinketed up lesser model. The22B was the 911R of its time. Just because you could afford it didn't mean you could get one. I remember Colin McCrae moaning about having to pay for his one
Ps they were making £50k in The Sunday Times back then when new bargain !!

[D200]

epom said:

WCZ said:

D200 said:

You are also totally wrong in regards to the 22B

The 22B was massively over priced when new, and the mags complained as much at the time and said the P1 was better driving for about half the money

The 22B was 40k in 1998 - inflation adjusted thats 67K in todays money

Could you imagine if Subaru brought out a 67k Impreza today? It would make the massively over priced M4 CS look like the bargain of the century!

fair enough, didn't know it was that expensive!

But, the 22B truly was a bespoke special edition car, not a trinketed up lesser model. The22B was the 911R of its time. Just because you could afford it didn't mean you could get one. I remember Colin McCrae moaning about having to pay for his one
Ps they were making £50k in The Sunday Times back then when new bargain !!

I drove a 22B twice – one brand new, a friend had bought on brand new. Then again about 8 years ago. Not that impressive in the grand scheme of things, I had a 2 door STI jap import in between and it was as good. It was never revered as driving car. Its main benefit over a Jap import 2 door STi was it looked much much better!

I don’t understand what you are saying, just because Colin McCrae had to buy one what does that mean, pointless comment?

My friend bought one, it was 40k and it was quite an easy process - anyone could do it. Not like a 911R in any way. Neither is the car.

[HJMS123]

Guffy said:

I made an impulse decision to buy a very nice white M4 CP that was in the local BMW showroom last month, was a fair deal too, but I just couldn't get past the look of those wheels, so backed-out the next day. Shallow, me?

haha that's some willpower my man!! If I was in a position to afford one I'd swap the wheels for the darker shade standard 19's! It seems you can spec the comp pack and delete the wheels free of charge but I imagine you'd be able to sell them for quite a lot to non_CP owners

[epom]

D200 said:

epom said:

WCZ said:

D200 said:

You are also totally wrong in regards to the 22B

The 22B was massively over priced when new, and the mags complained as much at the time and said the P1 was better driving for about half the money

The 22B was 40k in 1998 - inflation adjusted thats 67K in todays money

Could you imagine if Subaru brought out a 67k Impreza today? It would make the massively over priced M4 CS look like the bargain of the century!

fair enough, didn't know it was that expensive!

But, the 22B truly was a bespoke special edition car, not a trinketed up lesser model. The22B was the 911R of its time. Just because you could afford it didn't mean you could get one. I remember Colin McCrae moaning about having to pay for his one
Ps they were making £50k in The Sunday Times back then when new bargain !!

I drove a 22B twice – one brand new, a friend had bought on brand new. Then again about 8 years ago. Not that impressive in the grand scheme of things, I had a 2 door STI jap import in between and it was as good. It was never revered as driving car. Its main benefit over a Jap import 2 door STi was it looked much much better!

I don’t understand what you are saying, just because Colin McCrae had to buy one what does that mean, pointless comment?

My friend bought one, it was 40k and it was quite an easy process - anyone could do it. Not like a 911R in any way. Neither is the car.

Ok, what I was trying to say was.....the 22B was not just another 2 door jap import with a chip or a map and a few trinkets thrown at it. Unlike the above M4 with '£30k' of extras. That it was the point I was trying to make. Whether or not you liked it when you drove it or whether or not McCrae paid for his (which wasn't a comment I expected to cause so much concern just threw it in there tbh) is neither here nor there. It was an actual 'special' edition. The M4 CS is not.

Edited to add, Buying a 911R is quite an easy process now too, once prepared to pay the money.

Edited by epom on Thursday 20th April 14:31