JLR on 3 day week
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sparks_E46 said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Nickbrapp said:
I saw a new XF estate the other day and my god what a f
k up at the back
What's the problem? Looks OK from here.k up at the backThat looks like a bodged aftermarket conversion that someone has stuck a strip of cheap chrome to.
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Whereas Mercedes UK told me to go jump, in similar situ's.
Am I correct in thinking that most MB dealerships are owned by MB these days? That could be the reason for their reluctance to assist since they have no reason to help you fight themselves.
Back to the main subject, if we look at the cars built at CB none are volume sellers, the F-Type is niche at best, I wonder how sales compare to the 911 for instance. The XJ is about to be canned with the likely replacement an electric limousine, again the sales figures are likely to be a few hundred at best.
As several posters have already noted, you don't seem to see many XE or second generation XF's around in a market which is frankly flooded with models from Audi, BMW and Mercedes you'd think Jag's contenders would be more popular but they just aren't.
Maybe JLR needs a rethink on just what sort of lineup it needs for the future, because Brexit or not the current one isn't working.
Whereas Mercedes UK told me to go jump, in similar situ's.
Am I correct in thinking that most MB dealerships are owned by MB these days? That could be the reason for their reluctance to assist since they have no reason to help you fight themselves.
Back to the main subject, if we look at the cars built at CB none are volume sellers, the F-Type is niche at best, I wonder how sales compare to the 911 for instance. The XJ is about to be canned with the likely replacement an electric limousine, again the sales figures are likely to be a few hundred at best.
As several posters have already noted, you don't seem to see many XE or second generation XF's around in a market which is frankly flooded with models from Audi, BMW and Mercedes you'd think Jag's contenders would be more popular but they just aren't.
Maybe JLR needs a rethink on just what sort of lineup it needs for the future, because Brexit or not the current one isn't working.
BiggestVern said:
The XJ is about to be canned with the likely replacement an electric limousine
There'll be a new XJ. There might be an electric, but they won't ALL be electric. There'll be electric A8s, 7s and S-classes before long, too.BiggestVern said:
again the sales figures are likely to be a few hundred at best.
About 4,000 last year, across Europe and US alone.http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/jaguar/j...
http://carsalesbase.com/european-car-sales-data/ja...
williamp said:
The dealers arent upto much either. I really want a jaguar, but gave up after two dealers and now have a 4 series for 3 years...
Strangely , I have just come out of a four series which in fairness at 130k miles was superb into an XF and the JLR dealers could not have been more helpful to be honestThe dealers provided full access to all of the models and in providing any advice whereas BMW dealers just did not seem in the slightest bit interested from my experience and with little or no knowledge of their line up either.
The E class MB I tried for a week frankly was dire also but I guess we all speak as we find.
skyrover said:
No ideas for a name said:
Probably a bit misleading. For example, BMW have more issues than Kia... yes, probably because they have more 'things' that can have an issue.
Hence the reason throwing useless crap like electric handbrakes into car's is a terrible, terrible idea.LDN said:
The Kia’s I’ve seen have electric handbrakes. What else might a BMW have that a Kia doesn’t? Kit wise?
Serious question?Not a BMW fan, so I am not 100% if they do or don't have these but I would expect at least some of the following on top of Kia's offering (where many will be base spec).
Cooled glovebox
Radar blind spot warning
Road sign recognition
Remote start
Heated/cooled seats
Multi-view cameras
and many more.
Of course none of these really matter, but statistically will show up more failures per car than a basic offering.
If the recorded issue with the Kia is won't start, whereas the BMW issue is two or three faults with 'toys', statistically the BMW is worse - but in reality it is the type of fault that is relevant rather than just the number of them.
Is the problem not largely making cars people no longer want or are allowed?
The new XE and XF while boasting Ingenium engines which are pretty impressive for the size, clearly technology which Jag have spent millions on in the current climate of minimising emissions, but derided for being at least 2 cylinders short.
I'd trade my XF diesel for an i-Pace if I had anywhere to plug it in.
The new XE and XF while boasting Ingenium engines which are pretty impressive for the size, clearly technology which Jag have spent millions on in the current climate of minimising emissions, but derided for being at least 2 cylinders short.
I'd trade my XF diesel for an i-Pace if I had anywhere to plug it in.
No ideas for a name said:
Serious question?
Not a BMW fan, so I am not 100% if they do or don't have these but I would expect at least some of the following on top of Kia's offering (where many will be base spec).
Cooled glovebox
Radar blind spot warning
Road sign recognition
Remote start
Heated/cooled seats
Multi-view cameras
and many more.
Of course none of these really matter, but statistically will show up more failures per car than a basic offering.
If the recorded issue with the Kia is won't start, whereas the BMW issue is two or three faults with 'toys', statistically the BMW is worse - but in reality it is the type of fault that is relevant rather than just the number of them.
I see your point. The seats and cameras, I’m pretty sure of but yes; there’ll be premium options that a Kia may not offer. Not a BMW fan, so I am not 100% if they do or don't have these but I would expect at least some of the following on top of Kia's offering (where many will be base spec).
Cooled glovebox
Radar blind spot warning
Road sign recognition
Remote start
Heated/cooled seats
Multi-view cameras
and many more.
Of course none of these really matter, but statistically will show up more failures per car than a basic offering.
If the recorded issue with the Kia is won't start, whereas the BMW issue is two or three faults with 'toys', statistically the BMW is worse - but in reality it is the type of fault that is relevant rather than just the number of them.
In any case, from what I’ve heard; Hyundai and Kia offer such long warranties because, in effect; they stand by their work / products; which is relatively unique these days.
jfire said:
Is the problem not largely making cars people no longer want or are allowed?
The new XE and XF while boasting Ingenium engines which are pretty impressive for the size, clearly technology which Jag have spent millions on in the current climate of minimising emissions, but derided for being at least 2 cylinders short.
Meanwhile, others are moving from sixes to fours.The new XE and XF while boasting Ingenium engines which are pretty impressive for the size, clearly technology which Jag have spent millions on in the current climate of minimising emissions, but derided for being at least 2 cylinders short.
Volvo don't do anything bigger than a 2.0 four-pot, even in the V/S90 and XC90. They seem to be selling OK...
E-class? Apart from AMG and E400d, they're all E220d four-pots now.
5-series? 520i, 530i, 518d, 520d, 525d - all 2.0 four-pots. That just leaves 540i, 530d as sixes. Weren't there rumours of the entry-level 5s being 1.5 triples?
I think it's potentially the type of buyer of a Kia or Hyundai would want to keep the car for more than 5 minutes. They've potentially captured the person who'd otherwise buy a second hand car and keep it for 10 years. By offering a product that is cheap looks modern, has ok kit and is sturdy it's the best solution for someone who isn't interested in a car for it's fun factor, nor wants the hassle of maintenance costs of a second hand car.
Pretty smart move - if it's what they intended.
The vast majority of car buyers these days want a premium badge and don't care about what it is. So Audi and BMW et al are making cars / suvs to fit the bill and making sure the toys + mechanics need not last more than a few years.
Win win, they sell more cars by making leases cheap enough for their desired customer base. The money they spend on cars important oily and electronics that control said oily bits are inferior and cheaper to manufacture. They pocket more per car as they don't need quality parts - only touch points need to feel firm and expensive.
Once their brand takes an image hit, we'll swing around again to them building cars made to last.
Pretty smart move - if it's what they intended.
The vast majority of car buyers these days want a premium badge and don't care about what it is. So Audi and BMW et al are making cars / suvs to fit the bill and making sure the toys + mechanics need not last more than a few years.
Win win, they sell more cars by making leases cheap enough for their desired customer base. The money they spend on cars important oily and electronics that control said oily bits are inferior and cheaper to manufacture. They pocket more per car as they don't need quality parts - only touch points need to feel firm and expensive.
Once their brand takes an image hit, we'll swing around again to them building cars made to last.
Edited by ACB85 on Wednesday 19th September 10:12
medieval said:
williamp said:
The dealers arent upto much either. I really want a jaguar, but gave up after two dealers and now have a 4 series for 3 years...
Strangely , I have just come out of a four series which in fairness at 130k miles was superb into an XF and the JLR dealers could not have been more helpful to be honestThe dealers provided full access to all of the models and in providing any advice whereas BMW dealers just did not seem in the slightest bit interested from my experience and with little or no knowledge of their line up either.
The E class MB I tried for a week frankly was dire also but I guess we all speak as we find.
Ares said:
I echo that. Both when I was looking, and when Mrs Ares popped in to look at an E-Pace, the dealers were very good (Williams, Manchester).....alas, they just don't have the cars/range to sell.
Mmmm... very bad experience. Absolutely no interest in putting problems right. I should have been tougher and pushed on with the rejection - but no suitable alternatives were available.No ideas for a name said:
Ares said:
I echo that. Both when I was looking, and when Mrs Ares popped in to look at an E-Pace, the dealers were very good (Williams, Manchester).....alas, they just don't have the cars/range to sell.
Mmmm... very bad experience. Absolutely no interest in putting problems right. I should have been tougher and pushed on with the rejection - but no suitable alternatives were available.
My wife has a a company XE for 3 years next March.The day she picked it up it was back at the dealers with an add blue fault, this took the dealer 3 weeks to fix. 12 months lata it needed a wheel bearing, dealer tried to tell me the tyres needed replacing and it was not a wheel bearing noise. This summer in our heatwave the aircon packed up and there were no parts available for 3 weeks.She booked the car in after the 3 week period for the dealer to tell her the parts would be a further 2 weeks away and suggested my wife rang around jag dealers herself to find parts. There was no offer of a loan car from Jag. The car is now on 64k and seams to be ok.Plenty of people at my wifes work opted for jags as they are comfortable but they have had so many issues they have been taken of the company car list. One of here work mates jags just completely shut down after 5k and jag could not fix it, they gave him a brand new car. Another incident that started with a knocking engine has been diagnosed with a bent rod, Jag techs have advised him to keep driving it until it stops and then it will be fixed, priceless.
We have just travelled Europe in my wifes jag and trust me i was more nervous about it letting us down than my previous trips in my tuscan, unfortunately we could go in the tuscan as we had my wifes parents with us. Saying all that its a very comfortable car if not that well built
We have just travelled Europe in my wifes jag and trust me i was more nervous about it letting us down than my previous trips in my tuscan, unfortunately we could go in the tuscan as we had my wifes parents with us. Saying all that its a very comfortable car if not that well built
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