Fast middle lane hoggers
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nuance means little to the passive aggressive road captains.
i will continue to mostly keep left, but use some judgement in the matter rather than be overly prescriptive. and certainly aware of my surroundings.
You won't find me driving in L1, catching an MLM L2 and than steering aggressively at the last moment in to L3 and sharply back to L1, to make a point. i suspect that might the behaviour of some on here, maybe?
i will continue to mostly keep left, but use some judgement in the matter rather than be overly prescriptive. and certainly aware of my surroundings.
You won't find me driving in L1, catching an MLM L2 and than steering aggressively at the last moment in to L3 and sharply back to L1, to make a point. i suspect that might the behaviour of some on here, maybe?
I like that the OP and indeed the rest of the thread contributors are actively thinking about which lane they should be in.
My opinion is that you should always keep left whenever possible because there are those drivers on the road that don’t actively think about it. But they may notice the error of their way of shown.
I’m not talking about cutting up but driving in a proper manner, taking your time to change lanes smoothly.
Setting a good example for other road users benefits everyone.
How many times has everyone passed an MLM and gone back in to L1, only for the MLM to wake up and also return to lane 1.
If the same daydreaming driver is overtaken by you and you only go back to lane 2, then the sheep may well follow that example and stay where they are.
It’s lovely here in utopia at this time of year.
My opinion is that you should always keep left whenever possible because there are those drivers on the road that don’t actively think about it. But they may notice the error of their way of shown.
I’m not talking about cutting up but driving in a proper manner, taking your time to change lanes smoothly.
Setting a good example for other road users benefits everyone.
How many times has everyone passed an MLM and gone back in to L1, only for the MLM to wake up and also return to lane 1.
If the same daydreaming driver is overtaken by you and you only go back to lane 2, then the sheep may well follow that example and stay where they are.
It’s lovely here in utopia at this time of year.
Occasionally you see someone trying to ‘teach’ people about lane discipline by adopting fundamentalist principles in terms of keeping left. They are in and out like a fiddler’s elbow.
Unfortunately this display of perfect driving is usually conducted at around 85mph, thus marking them out as utter hypocrites at the very least.
Unfortunately this display of perfect driving is usually conducted at around 85mph, thus marking them out as utter hypocrites at the very least.
Confused by your 'weaving in and out' description OP.
I also average 80/85 on the motorway and have no issues sticking to lane 1 and using the other lanes when required.
Are you confusing proper lane discipline - driving in lane 1, moving to lane 2 when you encounter something slower, then moving back in - with 'weaving in and out'?!
I also average 80/85 on the motorway and have no issues sticking to lane 1 and using the other lanes when required.
Are you confusing proper lane discipline - driving in lane 1, moving to lane 2 when you encounter something slower, then moving back in - with 'weaving in and out'?!
swisstoni said:
Occasionally you see someone trying to ‘teach’ people about lane discipline by adopting fundamentalist principles in terms of keeping left. They are in and out like a fiddler’s elbow.
Unfortunately this display of perfect driving is usually conducted at around 85mph, thus marking them out as utter hypocrites at the very least.
I resemble that comment!Unfortunately this display of perfect driving is usually conducted at around 85mph, thus marking them out as utter hypocrites at the very least.
Mr Tidy said:
I'm guessing you don't live anywhere near Berkshire/Surrey then - the M3 has been a "Smart" motorway for a year or so! Even if it did take more than 3 years to turn it into one (or in real terms, to f*ck it up).
And work has just started to do the same to the M4.
Lane discipline on the "new" M3 is generally ignored - 2 lanes just don't get used so it was a total waste of time and money IMHO.
As somebody already said, once the motorways are "upgraded", the driving style alters from "progressive" to "passive". And work has just started to do the same to the M4.
Lane discipline on the "new" M3 is generally ignored - 2 lanes just don't get used so it was a total waste of time and money IMHO.
Seeing on other threads how people are receiving NIPs for 80mph motorway driving, the pincer movement of "upgrading" and "cameras" result in 65mph everyone-roll -along -together -so -choose -the -lane -you -feel -comfortable -in motorway culture....
I can understand it when the carriageways are congested, but unfortunately, it causes the same rate of progress even during quiet periods,
PistonBroker said:
Confused by your 'weaving in and out' description OP.
I also average 80/85 on the motorway and have no issues sticking to lane 1 and using the other lanes when required.
Are you confusing proper lane discipline - driving in lane 1, moving to lane 2 when you encounter something slower, then moving back in - with 'weaving in and out'?!
^^ Good question!I also average 80/85 on the motorway and have no issues sticking to lane 1 and using the other lanes when required.
Are you confusing proper lane discipline - driving in lane 1, moving to lane 2 when you encounter something slower, then moving back in - with 'weaving in and out'?!
swisstoni said:
Occasionally you see someone trying to ‘teach’ people about lane discipline by adopting fundamentalist principles in terms of keeping left. They are in and out like a fiddler’s elbow.
Unfortunately this display of perfect driving is usually conducted at around 85mph, thus marking them out as utter hypocrites at the very least.
Why hypocrites?Unfortunately this display of perfect driving is usually conducted at around 85mph, thus marking them out as utter hypocrites at the very least.
Regardless of speed the point being made to the mlm remains valid...
Hypocrites in the grand scheme of road lawfulness maybe but not in trying to educate mlms
PistonBroker said:
Confused by your 'weaving in and out' description OP.
I also average 80/85 on the motorway and have no issues sticking to lane 1 and using the other lanes when required.
Are you confusing proper lane discipline - driving in lane 1, moving to lane 2 when you encounter something slower, then moving back in - with 'weaving in and out'?!
If conditions allow and the road surface isn’t poor in lane 1 I do as you describe and follow the unforgiving guidance of the pistonheads anti-MLM stasi brigade..but I will happily make progress in lane 2 (and stay there) without holding anyone up if I’m not happy with the road surface in L1 and I’m about to need to be back in L2 or L3 to overtake approaching traffic. I fail to see being in the middle lane a problem if you’re there for a valid reason and not inconveniencing other road users behind you. Perhaps offering a real world example isn’t what people want to read though....I also average 80/85 on the motorway and have no issues sticking to lane 1 and using the other lanes when required.
Are you confusing proper lane discipline - driving in lane 1, moving to lane 2 when you encounter something slower, then moving back in - with 'weaving in and out'?!
theplayingmantis said:
swisstoni said:
Occasionally you see someone trying to ‘teach’ people about lane discipline by adopting fundamentalist principles in terms of keeping left. They are in and out like a fiddler’s elbow.
Unfortunately this display of perfect driving is usually conducted at around 85mph, thus marking them out as utter hypocrites at the very least.
Why hypocrites?Unfortunately this display of perfect driving is usually conducted at around 85mph, thus marking them out as utter hypocrites at the very least.
Regardless of speed the point being made to the mlm remains valid...
Hypocrites in the grand scheme of road lawfulness maybe but not in trying to educate mlms
The road environment is changing, as a result the cultural norm behaviours are too.
BusaMK said:
If conditions allow and the road surface isn’t poor in lane 1 I do as you describe and follow the unforgiving guidance of the pistonheads anti-MLM stasi brigade..but I will happily make progress in lane 2 (and stay there) without holding anyone up if I’m not happy with the road surface in L1 and I’m about to need to be back in L2 or L3 to overtake approaching traffic. I fail to see being in the middle lane a problem if you’re there for a valid reason and not inconveniencing other road users behind you. Perhaps offering a real world example isn’t what people want to read though....
Some people think that anyone that gets in their way is in the wrong and must be deliberately driving badly to annoy them.It does not help that if someone does pull to the left, even if clearly going faster than traffic ahead in the left lane, subsequent cars tend to close the gaps to prevent them getting back out again.
vonhosen said:
It's not though, it's changing.
Supported by the Road management policies & enforcement being used.
We are moving from a system encouraging a wider spread of speeds with a focus on progress (call it a German model), to a narrower spread of speeds encouraging people to stay in the lane travelling at a speed they are happy to maintain & minimal lane changes (call it a USA model). In the latter model keeping left unless overtaking becomes redundant & quite often now managed motorways are also displaying "Stay in lane" signage.
The enforcement supporting it is speed & you are likely to get prosecuted, stay in a lane you are not likely to get prosecuted.
Does this mean that overtaking on the left is now acceptable? That goes some way towards fixing the MLM problem.Supported by the Road management policies & enforcement being used.
We are moving from a system encouraging a wider spread of speeds with a focus on progress (call it a German model), to a narrower spread of speeds encouraging people to stay in the lane travelling at a speed they are happy to maintain & minimal lane changes (call it a USA model). In the latter model keeping left unless overtaking becomes redundant & quite often now managed motorways are also displaying "Stay in lane" signage.
The enforcement supporting it is speed & you are likely to get prosecuted, stay in a lane you are not likely to get prosecuted.
Edited by vonhosen on Wednesday 21st November 20:14
Mr2Mike said:
vonhosen said:
It's not though, it's changing.
Supported by the Road management policies & enforcement being used.
We are moving from a system encouraging a wider spread of speeds with a focus on progress (call it a German model), to a narrower spread of speeds encouraging people to stay in the lane travelling at a speed they are happy to maintain & minimal lane changes (call it a USA model). In the latter model keeping left unless overtaking becomes redundant & quite often now managed motorways are also displaying "Stay in lane" signage.
The enforcement supporting it is speed & you are likely to get prosecuted, stay in a lane you are not likely to get prosecuted.
Does this mean that overtaking on the left is now acceptable? That goes some way towards fixing the MLM problem.Supported by the Road management policies & enforcement being used.
We are moving from a system encouraging a wider spread of speeds with a focus on progress (call it a German model), to a narrower spread of speeds encouraging people to stay in the lane travelling at a speed they are happy to maintain & minimal lane changes (call it a USA model). In the latter model keeping left unless overtaking becomes redundant & quite often now managed motorways are also displaying "Stay in lane" signage.
The enforcement supporting it is speed & you are likely to get prosecuted, stay in a lane you are not likely to get prosecuted.
From what I've seen the order of priority in taking action against these things (that we've been speaking about) is
1) Speeding
2) Undertaking
3) Failing to Keep Left.
I get the impression that the MLM haters would like that list to be the other way around, but the reality is it isn't going in the direction they want.
Most drivers out there will just do what makes for an easy life for themselves & avoids conflict with the authorities. The road traffic management & enforcement strategies will influence their behaviours, the views of PHers will not. Most MLM (save for extreme cases) don't tend to cause a lot of problems for drivers operating within the speed limits, they do for people who wish to exceed the limits & who may undertake whilst doing so. The authorities aren't going to worry about putting in place an enforcement strategy to aid those that wish to exceed speed limits in doing so. They are setting it up for a narrow spread of speeds that makes the whole keeping left unless overtaking pretty much redundant.
Edited by vonhosen on Thursday 22 November 23:26
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