RE: Land Rover Defender | Frankfurt 2019

[DonkeyApple]

loudlashadjuster said:

That's JLR all over though. Massive, massive overlap in and across the Jaguar and LR ranges.

Not sure:

Evoque - for women who inject fat from their arse into their face so as to look like Joan Rivers.

Velar - for urban dwellers on trend at all times.

Sport - people who generally prefer football to rugby.

FF - people who generally prefer rugby to football.

Disco Sport - elderly people who don’t want to be the in the Kia at the garden centre.

Disco - myopic Catholics.

New Defender - people who don’t consider Westfield shopping centre a liesure activity. And artisan mushroom vendors.

[Cold]

300bhp/ton said:

What a moronic thing to say. You clearly have no clue at all or have never visited a 21st Century farm ffs

I have. They use these:

[300bhp/ton]

abzmike said:

wl606 said:

It looks rather nice.

And what is the 4x4 of choice these days for a not overly rich farmer?

Judging by the farmers round my way a Mitsubishi.

Having just come back from a weekend in North Wales, I'd say the Defender still ranks high vs Jap/other pickups. Finger in the air based on observations and looking at what was being used. 55-65% + still seemed to be in a Land Rover.

And as someone in the farming community in the home counties. I know of more farmers/farms with Defenders than those without.

[300bhp/ton]

GreyGray said:

I think it has lost what made the Defender iconic - utility, simplicity, a clarity of purpose. For me they have just made another SUV to look good on the school run, which I understand from a business perspective. However for me it is a Defender in name only, and I'm disappointed.

It would appear to be a brilliant Defender Sport

[Harry_523]

DonkeyApple said:

loudlashadjuster said:

That's JLR all over though. Massive, massive overlap in and across the Jaguar and LR ranges.

Not sure:

Evoque - for women who inject fat from their arse into their face so as to look like Joan Rivers.

Velar - for urban dwellers on trend at all times.

Sport - people who generally prefer football to rugby.

FF - people who generally prefer rugby to football.

Disco Sport - elderly people who don’t want to be the in the Kia at the garden centre.

Disco - myopic Catholics.

New Defender - people who don’t consider Westfield shopping centre a liesure activity. And artisan mushroom vendors.

This is disturbingly accurate. Well done sir.

[jon-]

aaron_2000 said:

Rear lights are awful, pricing is a little strong, but i'd have one in a heartbeat. Peasant spec 110 on steelies for me

You can spec one up to over £100k

[300bhp/ton]

Krikkit said:

petemurphy said:

petemurphy said:

have they said prices only saw the end?

ah found the configurator. but not my morgage

How much was the previous Defender up to before they stopped production? Lots I seem to remember.

Nope. My Uncle bought a 2012 90 pickup for £17k new. And he has a 90 hardtop on a 65 plate which was middish 20's.

A fully loaded 110 or 130 was more money.

[300bhp/ton]

jonah35 said:

Coolest car of the moment

As a die-hard Land Rover fan. No, not even remotely.

In fact it probably is the least cool. As it is purely designed and built for posers and pretenders.

Maybe they should have called it the Land Rover Pretender

[NomduJour]

300bhp/ton said:

And as someone in the farming community in the home counties. I know of more farmers/farms with Defenders than those without.

Stock farms, higher up, are where you see Defenders - virtually everyone else I know has a twin cab of some description, or maybe a Discovery. Certainly not more with than without.

[anonymous-user]

300bhp/ton said:

As a die-hard Land Rover fan. No, not even remotely.

In fact it probably is the least cool. As it is purely designed and built for posers and pretenders.

Maybe they should have called it the Land Rover Pretender

Here's an idea.

Don't buy one.

Have you ever bought a new LR product ?

[jhonn]

300bhp/ton said:

... and somewhat capable off road.

However will wait and see.

I'm also looking forward to seeing how it performs off-road, especially in a back-to-back test with a last-gen standard Defender - I suspect that the new one will be much more capable in the majority of real life off-road situations.

[NomduJour]

300bhp/ton said:

Maybe they should have called it the Land Rover Pretender

Maybe you could “pretend” to be a potential customer?

[RacerMike]

300bhp/ton said:

jonah35 said:

Coolest car of the moment

As a die-hard Land Rover fan. No, not even remotely.

I'm a Land Rover fan. I think it's cool. In my opinion, my opinion is more valid than yours and I think that strongly supports the fact that it's cool. I'm just using anecdotal evidence here, but in my vast experience of coolness I thin the Defender really ranks highly on it, so I think they'll sell by the bucket loads. This is just speculation of course, but with the many years of experience I think I have, I think I can definitely say that it will categorically be really cool.

How were you so late to the thread btw? Were you mid recovery from the middle of a Welsh forest along with the 100,000 other Defender owning Farmers that were waiting to buy a separate chassised Defender 90? What did they think to the launch? Are they all cancelling their orders now? Assuming they're just going to stick with their short tail Range Rover that they use daily to winch themselves up the Welsh hillside with 15 sheep in the spray out passenger footwell.

[BRR]

I've seen a 90 and 110 in the flesh and I think they both look great, though it would be a 90 in green with white roof for me. It will be massively capable off road but will also be a very good car on road, I think JLR have nailed it and hopefully it will sell very well

[djc206]

300bhp/ton said:

Nope. My Uncle bought a 2012 90 pickup for £17k new. And he has a 90 hardtop on a 65 plate which was middish 20's.

A fully loaded 110 or 130 was more money.

My wife almost bought a 90 XS a few years back before they stopped production and it was about £30k might have been a tad over thinking about it. We live in the suburbs and she drives 3000 miles per year so it would have been a crying shame really and a totally inappropriate vehicle for the task.

[Fire99]

300bhp/ton said:

And as someone in the farming community in the home counties. I know of more farmers/farms with Defenders than those without.

In the part of Ireland where I am, the majority of farmers are still Defender drivers.

Regarding the new Defender, firstly I think it looks impressive and the interior looks good too. I also think it will sell so to many that's a Win Win, end of story.

But for me it's quite a sad one. A 50+ grand sterling Defender will live in exactly the same area as the RR, RR Sport, Disco, Disco Sport etc. Street image! I'm sure there will be a few super well-offs who will be happy to throw a top spec one (80 odd grand before raiding the extras bin) around a tree laden trail but by and large they will live in nice clean, urban environments loaded with Chanel, Gucci and 'Im a tough English gent' outfits, rather than wood, sheep and cow-dung laden wellies. So a bucket of tech-laden engineering to navigate a Waitrose speed bump.

I'm not certain the Defender is a pastiche. It's us who have become a pastiche and just want to appear to be rough, tough 'men of the wild', so long as we're home to unload the dishwasher and don't miss our Turkish Barbour appointments..
So the Defender is an excellent 'jeep' that is utterly pointless but will make JLR a fair bit of money... or should we call it the Land Rover 'Paradox' ?

[filski666]

KTF said:

Why the 'panel' on the rear windows? Just for the roof rack options that most people probably won't use?

it is the C-Post trim - although on this image it appears to be missing....someone messed up when they did this render!

[oilit]

filski666 said:

KTF said:

Why the 'panel' on the rear windows? Just for the roof rack options that most people probably won't use?

it is the C-Post trim - although on this image it appears to be missing....someone messed up when they did this render!

its odd - as when you use the configurator its in some shots on the rear 1/4 glass of the rear door and in others not:-





If there was a choice to have it or not I would have that deleted please - looks odd on the outside imho - otherwise WELL DONE LR - looks like a car I would buy when its depreciated 60-70%

[Barry Homo]

You can delete the body coloured panel.

[AngryPartsBloke]

As always, the pistonheads armchair brigade never fail to disappoint.