RE: Land Rover launches new 525hp Defender V8
Discussion
Spiros115 said:
Fair enough, Gs certainly aren’t as common in the UK and most I have seen are very much in your face.
If JLR aren’t going to offer a fully customisable service they are definitely going to lose in this segment! If people are wanting a reliable family transporter that copes in snow and with hills this is going to do a job, but if that’s what you’re after I don’t quite get why to you’d be dropping £100k on this gas guzzling version that will require more servicing and maintenance, and will prob do max 20 miles/gallon and will no doubt be way more temperamental than a workhorse big diesel!
I think part of the attraction of the G here is that most Swiss men get to drive around in them when they're doing their military service.If JLR aren’t going to offer a fully customisable service they are definitely going to lose in this segment! If people are wanting a reliable family transporter that copes in snow and with hills this is going to do a job, but if that’s what you’re after I don’t quite get why to you’d be dropping £100k on this gas guzzling version that will require more servicing and maintenance, and will prob do max 20 miles/gallon and will no doubt be way more temperamental than a workhorse big diesel!
Diesels aren't very popular here, even before the VW scandal. People don't tend to drive long distances, and fuel has been reasonably cheap in the European context. In Switzerland all premium brands (including LR) come as standard with multi-year / 100,000km service packages which means for most owners they will never need to pay for servicing off-plan or own the car new out of warrenty. Road tax is CO2 related often (depends on your Canton) but in the grand scheme it's not enough of a disincentive to put people off. The government worries about how it will meet it's CO2 commitments but doesn't as yet seem to do anything serious.
AngryPartsBloke said:
easytiger123 said:
ImDesigner said:
Glenn63 said:
Iand already stories of people rejecting and getting their money back after a month or so due to reliability issues.
Of course there are.Got any links?
These guys had 2 brand new ones that had to be replaced due to problems that could not be fixed by the dealer. They are now on their 3rd and it seems to be ok.
Nobody has ever been able to provide any evidence of all these of people rejecting them.
Meanwhile there are loads of owners all over social media in Europe, US and Aus enjoying their defender for what people claimed it would never be used for.
I don’t get why people get so upset and defensive about the reliability of a car manufacturer, people have had issues, that’s that, why does it offend you so much?
Edited by Glenn63 on Thursday 25th February 13:59
NomduJour said:
loveice said:
I agree by allowing the electronic assistance working with mechanical diff locks, you get better off road abilities for most drivers. That’s why I think the new Defender could at least give people the choice of having the front diff lock and the choice of only using the mechanical diff locks. We don’t have choices in the Disco, RRS and FFRR. So surely we should have choices in a Defender. Otherwise, people are just buying the name and styling...
What benefits would that bring (unless getting more stuck is a selling point)?DonkeyApple said:
tramart50 said:
Pointless being 4 wheel drive. Who will take a 100k car off road ??
4WD hasn't been about off-roading since the early 80s though. Everything is slowly but steadily going 4wd if the product can support the cost. 4wd is very much all about on road traction today and next to nothing about off-road. Many people take G63's off road. £100k to one guy is £1 to another and some people take much more expensive metal off road. Everyone's budget is different.
It still isn't a "Defender" but I have no objections to V8 power....
But it does beg the question. While the regular Defender is aimed fully at stealing Disco 5 sales as its main competitor, this seems to be fully aimed at stealing RRS sales.....
I can't really fathom the sales model at JLR
But it does beg the question. While the regular Defender is aimed fully at stealing Disco 5 sales as its main competitor, this seems to be fully aimed at stealing RRS sales.....
I can't really fathom the sales model at JLR
Edited by 300bhp/ton on Thursday 25th February 14:27
loveice said:
No, I’m not saying having manually operated diff locks is 100% better than what LR is offering currently for most drivers under extreme off road conditions. But, at least there’ll be a choice for people to might prefer to use diff locks to traction controls. If diff locks are that useless, why not getting rid off them all then. Just look what happened to the early Disco 2s.
I’m just not clear what ability is added by the driver deciding when the diffs need locking, rather than the car. And why does traction control need to be separated from locking the diffs? That’s surely the bonus of the Terrain Response approach.300bhp/ton said:
It still isn't a "Defender" but I have no objections to V8 power....
But it does beg the question. While the regular Defender is aimed fully at stealing Disco 5 sales as its main competitor, this seems to be fully aimed at stealing RRS sales.....
I can't really fathom the sales model at JLR
The people who make them say that they are DefendersBut it does beg the question. While the regular Defender is aimed fully at stealing Disco 5 sales as its main competitor, this seems to be fully aimed at stealing RRS sales.....
I can't really fathom the sales model at JLR
Edited by 300bhp/ton on Thursday 25th February 14:27
300bhp/ton said:
It still isn't a "Defender" but I have no objections to V8 power....
But it does beg the question. While the regular Defender is aimed fully at stealing Disco 5 sales as its main competitor, this seems to be fully aimed at stealing RRS sales.....
I can't really fathom the sales model at JLR
This is surely the insight JLR need. I’m amazed they haven’t recruited you yet.But it does beg the question. While the regular Defender is aimed fully at stealing Disco 5 sales as its main competitor, this seems to be fully aimed at stealing RRS sales.....
I can't really fathom the sales model at JLR
NomduJour said:
loveice said:
No, I’m not saying having manually operated diff locks is 100% better than what LR is offering currently for most drivers under extreme off road conditions. But, at least there’ll be a choice for people to might prefer to use diff locks to traction controls. If diff locks are that useless, why not getting rid off them all then. Just look what happened to the early Disco 2s.
I’m just not clear what ability is added by the driver deciding when the diffs need locking, rather than the car. And why does traction control need to be separated from locking the diffs? That’s surely the bonus of the Terrain Response approach.However I thought if you have the optional rear locker, that certain Terrain Response modes did lock it anyhow?
As for the TCS. While it might be integrated, it isn't very transparent to the user unless you are a Terrain Response expert, have a photographic memory or are prepared to pull over and read the manual each time you use it. This being that it will cut power in certain modes. When I went to the LR Experience day one Defender got stuck because of this. It did drive out eventually, but you really did need to know how the damn thing works. A more simple setup would have just 'worked'.
DonkeyApple said:
Plus another. 'But Bronco' seems to be the new battlecry. No longer do we care about the transport of dead sheep or even the ability to wave one's hose about with gay abandon, what seems absolutely critical this week is that the doors must lift off easily. I assume this is to facilitate the daily requirement of being able to roll out of one's vehicle and swiftly return fire?
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