RE: 2023 Alpine A110 R | PH Review
Discussion
Sporky said:
As another A110 owner, I'd like to say that calling other cars derogatory (and worse) names is not a requirement of ownership. I'd be quite happy with a Cayman, though I chose the Alpine on purpose.
I may have used "Cashcow" to refer to a popular crossover I can't spell.
This. I don't see why it's necessary for some to act as if there is only one possible option in each segment. Some people will prefer a Porsche, some will prefer the Alpine, some the Lotus. It would be boring if everyone bought the same car. The tribalism is really weird.I may have used "Cashcow" to refer to a popular crossover I can't spell.
CerberaNZ said:
If I had £90k to spend on a light high performance car I'd probably look more at the McLaren market..
I agree.McLaren really is a reality check against a lot of desirable new cars/retrorods etc.
Nevertheless, this A110R looks like a very special piece of work. Wouldn't surprise me if they hold their value long term.
Jon_S_Rally said:
Sporky said:
As another A110 owner, I'd like to say that calling other cars derogatory (and worse) names is not a requirement of ownership. I'd be quite happy with a Cayman, though I chose the Alpine on purpose.
I may have used "Cashcow" to refer to a popular crossover I can't spell.
This. I don't see why it's necessary for some to act as if there is only one possible option in each segment. Some people will prefer a Porsche, some will prefer the Alpine, some the Lotus. It would be boring if everyone bought the same car. The tribalism is really weird.I may have used "Cashcow" to refer to a popular crossover I can't spell.
Though the only exception has to be "Cashcow" for the aforementioned Nissan (engineered by the same guy who did the Alpine A110, ironically enough) on the basis it cannot be spelt, and nobody who owns one is likely on Pistonheads anyway.
CerberaNZ said:
If I had £90k to spend on a light high performance car I'd probably look more at the McLaren market..
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/13830197
New car Vs old car nonsense.https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/13830197
TX.
Some comments are pretty fun, was a nice read 
TVR doesn’t make cars anymore, the Lotus Emira is actually more expensive in France than the A110R thanks to our carbon tax, a second-hand McLaren…really ? Same ownership costs I guess…
The GT4 is about 50k€ more expensive in France with the carbon tax too, not to mention that it’s supposedly hard to enter a Porsche dealership and just order one of them. Not that the R is any more easier to buy mind you.
The Alpine is tailored for the French market and our stupid carbon tax. They sell way more A110 here than Porsche do with the 718. So yeah the price can feel steep for you since you don’t have that tax in the UK but here it’s still a good chunck cheaper than any GTS 4.0/GT4, the Emira or anything bigger than a small 1.8L engine really.
Cars aren’t as light as 20 years ago indeed, go check the main A110 competitors’ weight figures and you’ll notice that it has at least a 300kg advantage on any of them.
Alfa 4C is out, Lotus Elise and Exige are no longer made, Porsche cars are heavier and more expensive in the Alpine’s home market… If you want a new and light track-ready sportcar in 2023 the R appears to be very alone in the market.
I have a S on order to replace my Pure though since the R isn’t doable as my only car. We don’t all have homes and 3 parking spots in our garage so it makes me smile when I read just buy an Emira and a Catheram as if having two cars instead wasn’t any more hassle at all…
So yeah I think S with aftermarket dampers is less expensive, almost as fast, and critically it’s doable unlike the long road that awaits you if you really want to order a new R. Even in France it’s hard to get one if you don’t already have an A110 and an ongoing relationship with your dealership.
TVR doesn’t make cars anymore, the Lotus Emira is actually more expensive in France than the A110R thanks to our carbon tax, a second-hand McLaren…really
? Same ownership costs I guess… The GT4 is about 50k€ more expensive in France with the carbon tax too, not to mention that it’s supposedly hard to enter a Porsche dealership and just order one of them. Not that the R is any more easier to buy mind you.
The Alpine is tailored for the French market and our stupid carbon tax. They sell way more A110 here than Porsche do with the 718. So yeah the price can feel steep for you since you don’t have that tax in the UK but here it’s still a good chunck cheaper than any GTS 4.0/GT4, the Emira or anything bigger than a small 1.8L engine really.
Cars aren’t as light as 20 years ago indeed, go check the main A110 competitors’ weight figures and you’ll notice that it has at least a 300kg advantage on any of them.
Alfa 4C is out, Lotus Elise and Exige are no longer made, Porsche cars are heavier and more expensive in the Alpine’s home market… If you want a new and light track-ready sportcar in 2023 the R appears to be very alone in the market.
I have a S on order to replace my Pure though since the R isn’t doable as my only car. We don’t all have homes and 3 parking spots in our garage so it makes me smile when I read just buy an Emira and a Catheram as if having two cars instead wasn’t any more hassle at all…
So yeah I think S with aftermarket dampers is less expensive, almost as fast, and critically it’s doable unlike the long road that awaits you if you really want to order a new R. Even in France it’s hard to get one if you don’t already have an A110 and an ongoing relationship with your dealership.
Edited by FrenchA110 on Sunday 29th January 15:03
Thanks for your post.
A110R will be less popular in the uk because the playing field is even here and I can see why the R is made for the French market.
On the flip side, the engine and gearbox is share across the entire range making the replacement a lot cheaper than a bespoke unit.
On the S, I agree that a set of bespoke dampers will get you most of the way and save €€€ plus it’ll be more usable on a daily basis. I was going to go that route before the R came out.
A110R will be less popular in the uk because the playing field is even here and I can see why the R is made for the French market.
On the flip side, the engine and gearbox is share across the entire range making the replacement a lot cheaper than a bespoke unit.
On the S, I agree that a set of bespoke dampers will get you most of the way and save €€€ plus it’ll be more usable on a daily basis. I was going to go that route before the R came out.
HokumPokum said:
Thanks for your post.
A110R will be less popular in the uk because the playing field is even here and I can see why the R is made for the French market.
On the flip side, the engine and gearbox is share across the entire range making the replacement a lot cheaper than a bespoke unit.
On the S, I agree that a set of bespoke dampers will get you most of the way and save €€€ plus it’ll be more usable on a daily basis. I was going to go that route before the R came out.
You can't make it look like an R though (inside or out) without big spending I'd say.A110R will be less popular in the uk because the playing field is even here and I can see why the R is made for the French market.
On the flip side, the engine and gearbox is share across the entire range making the replacement a lot cheaper than a bespoke unit.
On the S, I agree that a set of bespoke dampers will get you most of the way and save €€€ plus it’ll be more usable on a daily basis. I was going to go that route before the R came out.
TX.
Edited by Terminator X on Sunday 29th January 20:44
Given a big part of this thread covers reasons not to get an A110 R, here is another one 
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/14252876
Garbage lorry orange is probably not the best colour and production has ended, but still...
- manual
- V6
- 420 HP
- 1110 kg
That in daytona blue
Not particularly hating the Alpine, especially not the regular ones, but cannot fathom why anyone would want that 110 R over an Exige 420.
Running costs probably a bit higher for the 420 but at least not as off the mark as that 570S.
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/14252876
Garbage lorry orange is probably not the best colour and production has ended, but still...
- manual
- V6
- 420 HP
- 1110 kg
That in daytona blue
Not particularly hating the Alpine, especially not the regular ones, but cannot fathom why anyone would want that 110 R over an Exige 420.
Running costs probably a bit higher for the 420 but at least not as off the mark as that 570S.
DamnKraut said:
Given a big part of this thread covers reasons not to get an A110 R, here is another one
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/14252876
Garbage lorry orange is probably not the best colour and production has ended, but still...
- manual
- V6
- 420 HP
- 1110 kg
That in daytona blue
Not particularly hating the Alpine, especially not the regular ones, but cannot fathom why anyone would want that 110 R over an Exige 420.
Running costs probably a bit higher for the 420 but at least not as off the mark as that 570S.
This is out of production and old hat now.https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/14252876
Garbage lorry orange is probably not the best colour and production has ended, but still...
- manual
- V6
- 420 HP
- 1110 kg
That in daytona blue
Not particularly hating the Alpine, especially not the regular ones, but cannot fathom why anyone would want that 110 R over an Exige 420.
Running costs probably a bit higher for the 420 but at least not as off the mark as that 570S.
DamnKraut said:
Given a big part of this thread covers reasons not to get an A110 R, here is another one
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/14252876
Garbage lorry orange is probably not the best colour and production has ended, but still...
- manual
- V6
- 420 HP
- 1110 kg
That in daytona blue
Not particularly hating the Alpine, especially not the regular ones, but cannot fathom why anyone would want that 110 R over an Exige 420.
Running costs probably a bit higher for the 420 but at least not as off the mark as that 570S.
A good alternative for sure although not new. If you go down the not new route where do you stop ...https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/14252876
Garbage lorry orange is probably not the best colour and production has ended, but still...
- manual
- V6
- 420 HP
- 1110 kg
That in daytona blue
Not particularly hating the Alpine, especially not the regular ones, but cannot fathom why anyone would want that 110 R over an Exige 420.
Running costs probably a bit higher for the 420 but at least not as off the mark as that 570S.
TX.
Terminator X said:
DamnKraut said:
Given a big part of this thread covers reasons not to get an A110 R, here is another one
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/14252876
Garbage lorry orange is probably not the best colour and production has ended, but still...
- manual
- V6
- 420 HP
- 1110 kg
That in daytona blue
Not particularly hating the Alpine, especially not the regular ones, but cannot fathom why anyone would want that 110 R over an Exige 420.
Running costs probably a bit higher for the 420 but at least not as off the mark as that 570S.
A good alternative for sure although not new. If you go down the not new route where do you stop ...https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/14252876
Garbage lorry orange is probably not the best colour and production has ended, but still...
- manual
- V6
- 420 HP
- 1110 kg
That in daytona blue
Not particularly hating the Alpine, especially not the regular ones, but cannot fathom why anyone would want that 110 R over an Exige 420.
Running costs probably a bit higher for the 420 but at least not as off the mark as that 570S.
TX.
to be clear, I love the Elise, Exige, Caterham, A110 and yes, Porsche. A110 is unique in its positioning, combining lightweight with civility. doesn't make it better or worse, just different.
Having previously owned a Cayman GT4, two Lotus Exige V6 and now having an A110S I could not agree more. All three cars are great on their own but are quite different in character and usage. The Exige is very raw and a genuine Event for Sunday morning drives (or alike) but frankly quite annoying as a more daily proposition (in my view at least). The Cayman is kind of the opposite, perfectly usable on a daily basis (mind you a GT4 is loud at Motorway speeds) but and this is of course very personal a little uninspiring for road usage, so much I went back to an Exige as I missed its rawness.
In the meantime I was looking for something that would best fit both world and the Alpine is in my view the only newly available car offering this. In fact I see the Alpine positioned somewhere in between Exige and Cayman. Less raw than the former but more exciting than the latter, no doubt thanks to its lightness.
In the meantime I was looking for something that would best fit both world and the Alpine is in my view the only newly available car offering this. In fact I see the Alpine positioned somewhere in between Exige and Cayman. Less raw than the former but more exciting than the latter, no doubt thanks to its lightness.
n1colas said:
Having previously owned a Cayman GT4, two Lotus Exige V6 and now having an A110S I could not agree more. All three cars are great on their own but are quite different in character and usage. The Exige is very raw and a genuine Event for Sunday morning drives (or alike) but frankly quite annoying as a more daily proposition (in my view at least). The Cayman is kind of the opposite, perfectly usable on a daily basis (mind you a GT4 is loud at Motorway speeds) but and this is of course very personal a little uninspiring for road usage, so much I went back to an Exige as I missed its rawness.
In the meantime I was looking for something that would best fit both world and the Alpine is in my view the only newly available car offering this. In fact I see the Alpine positioned somewhere in between Exige and Cayman. Less raw than the former but more exciting than the latter, no doubt thanks to its lightness.
This summarises things well.In the meantime I was looking for something that would best fit both world and the Alpine is in my view the only newly available car offering this. In fact I see the Alpine positioned somewhere in between Exige and Cayman. Less raw than the former but more exciting than the latter, no doubt thanks to its lightness.
Venisonpie said:
n1colas said:
Having previously owned a Cayman GT4, two Lotus Exige V6 and now having an A110S I could not agree more. All three cars are great on their own but are quite different in character and usage. The Exige is very raw and a genuine Event for Sunday morning drives (or alike) but frankly quite annoying as a more daily proposition (in my view at least). The Cayman is kind of the opposite, perfectly usable on a daily basis (mind you a GT4 is loud at Motorway speeds) but and this is of course very personal a little uninspiring for road usage, so much I went back to an Exige as I missed its rawness.
In the meantime I was looking for something that would best fit both world and the Alpine is in my view the only newly available car offering this. In fact I see the Alpine positioned somewhere in between Exige and Cayman. Less raw than the former but more exciting than the latter, no doubt thanks to its lightness.
This summarises things well.In the meantime I was looking for something that would best fit both world and the Alpine is in my view the only newly available car offering this. In fact I see the Alpine positioned somewhere in between Exige and Cayman. Less raw than the former but more exciting than the latter, no doubt thanks to its lightness.
rampangle said:
Yup, AKA naff all in the context of 1,100kg. No even a typical full sized passenger's worth of downforce.
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