RE: All-new Toyota Land Cruiser launched

[Frankychops]

Jag_NE said:

Looks great, I have a feeling prices will be north of 70k, unfortunately.

I'd guess mid £60's for a high spec model, which would be good value really.

They depreciate slower than a defender etc. Not to mention running costs and 10 year warranty. Actual cost of owner ship is much much lower than just about anything.

[Mikebentley]

Jag_NE said:

Looks great, I have a feeling prices will be north of 70k, unfortunately.

In the cobbled together Carwow video Matt Watson suggests £45k entry and £65k first edition. Obviously this is speculation.

[LimaDelta]

^^^ Actually, on price, rumour in the North America markets is that it will be cheaper than the previous model. Nothing official yet though.

[Mikebentley]

Mikebentley said:

Jag_NE said:

Looks great, I have a feeling prices will be north of 70k, unfortunately.

In the cobbled together Carwow video Matt Watson suggests £45k entry and £65k first edition. Obviously this is speculation.

Just watched a Fast Lane video on TubeYou and the entry 1958 version is expected to be just over $50k in the US. There are 2 trims above this “Land Cruiser” and “Land Cruiser First Edition”. I would think we are looking at £50k, £57.5k and £65k respectively here. That said Toyota shocked us all with GR Yaris so we will see.

[160 Sport]

Jon_S_Rally said:

Not sure I'd describe a Land Cruiser as "unfashionable". In the UK maybe, but in many parts of the world they're basically the go-to car.

Agreed, lived in Australia for nearly 3 years and virtually every other vehicle on the road was a Land Cruiser.

[cerb4.5lee]

LimaDelta said:

9k rpm said:

LimaDelta said:

cayman-black said:

200hp is low though

For a genuine off-road biased SUV it is enough. If most of your mileage is motorway based or you need big numbers for validation, then there are plenty of on-road focused more powerful offerings from VAG, BMW, JLR etc.

I have the current model with the 2.8 and while it could never be described as 'quick', it is adequate to keep pace with traffic, and get places.

I don't think Toyota are trying to poach any AMG or SVR buyers here, it's a different vehicle for those with different requirements.

Fair enough it’s not a performance SUV but for the price it will be I think the engine is a huge weakness.
Also, imagine towing 3.5t with it.

Some of us don't have to imagine.

As usual, the people who use one are saying it's fine, and the people who will probably never actual buy one are citing it as a weakness. It's the GT86/BRZ all over again.

I know that it is unfair to judge a car "on paper", but these aren't especially torquey for the weight of the car either for me. I'd expect something like this to have a much more gutsy/torquey engine if you are towing stuff with it etc. I'm probably way off the mark though, because I haven't driven one to see if they do feel underpowered/under-torqued in fairness.

[Alickadoo]

160 Sport said:

Agreed, lived in Australia for nearly 3 years and virtually every other vehicle on the road was a Land Cruiser.

When in Queensland and we crossed the Daintree river, the ratio of 4x4s must have jumped by a factor of 10. Lots of LandCruisers and other far Eastern 4x4s, but I don't remember any LandRovers

[Jader1973]

Seattaken said:

Still actually available to buy new for us (medical NGO).

Still available new to the general public in Australia, and just facelifted as well

https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/toyota-adds-...

(It is a real Land Cruiser btw, not a poncy SUV thingy)

[simon-tigjs]

The very very best 4x4xfar. If your life depended on it its the only car you could truly rely upon to not fail. Out in Namibia or Botswana, the early cruisers are rebuilt to form safari vehicles and endure punishment you would not believe. Only last week the score was Lancruiser nil, Landrover 3 in breakdowns . We climbed a deep sandy hill i At the top was a sign saying you made it congratulations....especially if you drive a Landrover !
But one and you'll never need to buy another car and your depreciation will be the square root of little. The retro look makes it all the better. Yes please !

[LimaDelta]

simon-tigjs said:

The very very best 4x4xfar. If your life depended on it its the only car you could truly rely upon to not fail. Out in Namibia or Botswana, the early cruisers are rebuilt to form safari vehicles and endure punishment you would not believe. Only last week the score was Lancruiser nil, Landrover 3 in breakdowns . We climbed a deep sandy hill i At the top was a sign saying you made it congratulations....especially if you drive a Landrover !
But one and you'll never need to buy another car and your depreciation will be the square root of little. The retro look makes it all the better. Yes please !

A saffer mate of mine just finished a safari in Namibia. He drove there in his Disco 4, hired a Hilux for the safari, and then on the drive home in the D4 it spat the dummy and entered limp-home mode. Could have been a real problem if that had happened in the remote part of the trip.

[blueST]

LimaDelta said:

^^^ Actually, on price, rumour in the North America markets is that it will be cheaper than the previous model. Nothing official yet though.

For North America that will be true, as the previous model was the full size Land Cruiser. The Prado hasn’t been sold there before.

[Roger Irrelevant]

Mikebentley said:

Mikebentley said:

Jag_NE said:

Looks great, I have a feeling prices will be north of 70k, unfortunately.

In the cobbled together Carwow video Matt Watson suggests £45k entry and £65k first edition. Obviously this is speculation.

Just watched a Fast Lane video on TubeYou and the entry 1958 version is expected to be just over $50k in the US. There are 2 trims above this “Land Cruiser” and “Land Cruiser First Edition”. I would think we are looking at £50k, £57.5k and £65k respectively here. That said Toyota shocked us all with GR Yaris so we will see.

If it's £65k or thereabouts for the top version I'll bite Toyota's arm off, then their other arm, then start eyeing up their remaining appendages. I think the outgoing version had got to a bit over £60k new so I'd be surprised if this one was £65k, but here's hoping.

On the diesel v petrol hybrid thing - I'd much prefer the diesel with seven seats than the petrol hybrid with five (the hybrid batteries under the boot floor preclude a third row of seats). Toyota have been making this 2.8 diesel lump for years and to my knowledge it has proved very reliable, and anyway they'll warrant it for ten years so I'm not sure you need to really worry about it being 'complex'. As to it not being a ball of fire - I'll be buying with a view to keeping long-term so I'll gladly sacrifice a few seconds on the 0-60 to remove the need to pray to the reliability gods outside of the paltry three-year warranty you get with a lot of other big SUVs. I will probably will wait for the mild hybrid diesel though as I'm in no hurry so may as well.

[cerb4.5lee]

Even though I've questioned the performance/engine in these, I have always admired them as a car a hell of a lot for sure.

[Walter Sobchak]

DaveEvs said:

Yes please!

As a former 120 owner (and regular off-road business user) this looks excellent. Buttons and levers float my boat, and I love the 70’s colour ways.

Only thing it seems to lack is low range (no centre diff lock) which was useful for shunting trailer on my sloping gravel track / yard.

The controls in another pic I’ve seen look like they had low range and locking centre and rear diffs.

[C7 JFW]

One day, an LC will be my main vehicle. Wicked bit of kit with oodles of capability - precisely what I'd buy it for.

Very pleased with the new release and equally pleased that it's retaining the extremely well-tested existing diesel block.

Nice call Toyota, let's hope some of the ULEZ-friendly ones have a healthy hit of depreciation.

[Mikebentley]

Mikebentley said:

Jag_NE said:

Looks great, I have a feeling prices will be north of 70k, unfortunately.

In the cobbled together Carwow video Matt Watson suggests £45k entry and £65k first edition. Obviously this is speculation.

Just watched a Fast Lane video on TubeYou and the entry 1958 version is expected to be just over $50k in the US. There are 2 trims above this “Land Cruiser” and “Land Cruiser First Edition”. I would think we are looking at £50k, £57.5k and £65k respectively here. That said Toyota shocked us all with GR Yaris so we will see.

[nismo48]

yme402 said:

This looks amazing. It’s the only new SUV I can think of that is actually desirable.

+1

[Mikebentley]

Walter Sobchak said:

DaveEvs said:

Yes please!

As a former 120 owner (and regular off-road business user) this looks excellent. Buttons and levers float my boat, and I love the 70’s colour ways.

Only thing it seems to lack is low range (no centre diff lock) which was useful for shunting trailer on my sloping gravel track / yard.

The controls in another pic I’ve seen look like they had low range and locking centre and rear diffs.

In the Fast Lane video it clearly shows the centre and rear diff lock buttons and they go to great lengths to explain even the entry car gets these as well as heated steering wheel! Quite like the 1990s style cloth seats too.

[Mikebentley]

Just registered my interest with local dealer and Toyota UK. Not surprisingly the sales person had no idea about this incoming new vehicle. You would think that everybody in the organisation would get an email and link to the presentation video available online.

[LimaDelta]

Mikebentley said:

Just registered my interest with local dealer and Toyota UK. Not surprisingly the sales person had no idea about this incoming new vehicle. You would think that everybody in the organisation would get an email and link to the presentation video available online.

I was just told to register through the website, but at least they knew about it. My regular salesman was on holiday though, so I'll expect a call sometime soon hopefully. LC has never been a big seller in the UK though, so not surprised they haven't all been briefed yet.