RE: JLR reaffirms 'commitment to vehicle security'
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Not sure if it works, but I'm told just wrapping your keys fob in some good old tin foil acts as a Faraday cage. But of course if you really want to stop it being driven away, not broken in to though, open the bonnet and take out a fuse or relay. Anyone will do, car will go nuts and life will be over as you know it.
If they want it, they’ll get it.
I’d rather they take my car off the drive than come in my house for the keys, whilst my kids are sleeping. There’s also an increase in car crime due to covid and the war. Parts are even more valuable and have been on back order for ages. This is causing an increase in demand for such vehicles/parts. I worked at a JLR dealership for 8 years until recently. You hear some nasty stories. Believe me, you’d rather they just take the car this way.
I’d rather they take my car off the drive than come in my house for the keys, whilst my kids are sleeping. There’s also an increase in car crime due to covid and the war. Parts are even more valuable and have been on back order for ages. This is causing an increase in demand for such vehicles/parts. I worked at a JLR dealership for 8 years until recently. You hear some nasty stories. Believe me, you’d rather they just take the car this way.
sifocus said:
If they want it, they’ll get it.
I’d rather they take my car off the drive than come in my house for the keys, whilst my kids are sleeping. There’s also an increase in car crime due to covid and the war. Parts are even more valuable and have been on back order for ages. This is causing an increase in demand for such vehicles/parts. I worked at a JLR dealership for 8 years until recently. You hear some nasty stories. Believe me, you’d rather they just take the car this way.
Absolute nonsense.I’d rather they take my car off the drive than come in my house for the keys, whilst my kids are sleeping. There’s also an increase in car crime due to covid and the war. Parts are even more valuable and have been on back order for ages. This is causing an increase in demand for such vehicles/parts. I worked at a JLR dealership for 8 years until recently. You hear some nasty stories. Believe me, you’d rather they just take the car this way.
Do you think only the thieves only want Range Rovers? If not, why aren't they taking just as many Porsches and Mercedes?
The obvious answer is because they're opportunists and are balancing risk and reward, just like any other human and its currently far too easy to steal a RR.
youngsyr said:
The obvious answer is because they're opportunists and are balancing risk and reward, just like any other human and its currently far too easy to steal a RR
Of course it isn’t. Physically having to chop holes in body panels and attach a very expensive electronic device to specific wires in a thick bundle of similar ones is far more involved than just spending £50 to boost a key signal and driving off. Read the ADAC etc security tests and see which cars they decide are secure.
They’re stolen because there’s big demand for them and (at the moment) their parts.
NomduJour said:
120k..... it wasn't that much new. NomduJour said:
youngsyr said:
The obvious answer is because they're opportunists and are balancing risk and reward, just like any other human and its currently far too easy to steal a RR
Of course it isn’t. Physically having to chop holes in body panels and attach a very expensive electronic device to specific wires in a thick bundle of similar ones is far more involved than just spending £50 to boost a key signal and driving off. Read the ADAC etc security tests and see which cars they decide are secure.
They’re stolen because there’s big demand for them and (at the moment) their parts.
They're stolen because it's piss easy to do so without getting caught and they're worth a lot of money.
But so are Porsches and high end Audis and Mercedes and those cars are much easier to find too. Funnily enough they aren't stolen anywhere near as often.
Go back 10 years and there was a long running thread on here about BMWs being stolen without the keys. Back then it wasn't because the thieves preferred BMWs over other marques either.
youngsyr said:
Or, why dont you post up the support for your claims, instead of being a condescending prick about it?
QED. They don't have any particular security failings, they are just very desirable to thieves. There are an awful lot of other expensive, desirable cars which are a lot easier to steal - as the videos I posted very clearly show.
if only everything was as resistant to theft as an ancient 996, yeah?
NomduJour said:
youngsyr said:
Or, why dont you post up the support for your claims, instead of being a condescending prick about it?
QED. They don't have any particular security failings, they are just very desirable to thieves. There are an awful lot of other expensive, desirable cars which are a lot easier to steal - as the videos I posted very clearly show.
if only everything was as resistant to theft as an ancient 996, yeah?
Same amongst my neighbours - plenty of new top end cars, but only a RRS has been taken.
Must just have been unlucky with the RRS.
youngsyr said:
Weird how a family member has had top end audis and mercedes on their drive for years with no issues but had a RRS for about 3 months before it was nicked then, eh?
Same amongst my neighbours - plenty of new top end cars, but only a RRS has been taken.
Must just have been unlucky with the RRS.
If it helps counter your anecdote I’ve had top end Audis and two RRS’s and none of them have ever been stolen. My leggy 205 diesel was broken into and someone failed to start it back in 2004 if that’s evidence of either the security flaws or desirability of a naturally aspirated Peugeot diesel.Same amongst my neighbours - plenty of new top end cars, but only a RRS has been taken.
Must just have been unlucky with the RRS.
djc206 said:
youngsyr said:
Weird how a family member has had top end audis and mercedes on their drive for years with no issues but had a RRS for about 3 months before it was nicked then, eh?
Same amongst my neighbours - plenty of new top end cars, but only a RRS has been taken.
Must just have been unlucky with the RRS.
If it helps counter your anecdote I’ve had top end Audis and two RRS’s and none of them have ever been stolen. My leggy 205 diesel was broken into and someone failed to start it back in 2004 if that’s evidence of either the security flaws or desirability of a naturally aspirated Peugeot diesel.Same amongst my neighbours - plenty of new top end cars, but only a RRS has been taken.
Must just have been unlucky with the RRS.
Some more anecdotal evidence:
Quite frankly I find it bizarre that in response to the unprecedented scenario where insurers across the market are refusing to insure a certain type of car, people on here are claiming "it's the same problem with all cars".
The Times said:
(SVR Owner) had a phone call from Covea in May to tell him that it would not renew his insurance and he needed to make alternative arrangements. When he asked why he was told that it was because “two Range Rovers are stolen every day and they had “had so many claims”.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/8bb3d5af-78fe-4f34-b327-8651d35e895c?shareToken=b043bb02f9615c462e79b6d7b56ea13eQuite frankly I find it bizarre that in response to the unprecedented scenario where insurers across the market are refusing to insure a certain type of car, people on here are claiming "it's the same problem with all cars".
Edited by youngsyr on Monday 27th November 10:29
A 2018-onwards Range Rover with a UWB key is never going to be stolen in a simple relay theft like in the Ferrari/BMW/Rolls Royce videos above, because physics doesn’t let it happen. Those cars were stolen with very cheap, commonplace equipment that simply cannot work with UWB.
If all Range Rovers have some secret security flaw (magically known only to JLR and criminals) which makes them ridiculously easy to steal, why are those same criminals still physically hacking holes in body panels and using tools costing multiple thousands of pounds to take them?
Presumably ADAC are in on the scam?
https://assets.adac.de/image/upload/v1677579204/AD...
https://www.fiaregion1.com/club-news-security-risk...
What Car? too?
https://www.whatcar.com/news/car-theft-group-test-...
If all Range Rovers have some secret security flaw (magically known only to JLR and criminals) which makes them ridiculously easy to steal, why are those same criminals still physically hacking holes in body panels and using tools costing multiple thousands of pounds to take them?
Presumably ADAC are in on the scam?
https://assets.adac.de/image/upload/v1677579204/AD...
https://www.fiaregion1.com/club-news-security-risk...
What Car? too?
https://www.whatcar.com/news/car-theft-group-test-...
Car's are stolen to order or as part of whatever they can get their hands on that night - either for parts or joy rides.
JLR parts are like rocking horse poo, hence why they are being targeted more. I would expect VW vans to be next - except they don't have keyless entry.
It's pretty easy to work out what type of car would have RFID door entry and/or start - the nicer end and newer stuff tends to have it.
Used to live on an estate in manchester and they would would simply wander round with an antenna until something opened and then took it, others were specifically targeted and they would beeline to it.
It takes a certain person to come into someone's home, but it takes a lesser person to wander around with an antenna.
JLR parts are like rocking horse poo, hence why they are being targeted more. I would expect VW vans to be next - except they don't have keyless entry.
It's pretty easy to work out what type of car would have RFID door entry and/or start - the nicer end and newer stuff tends to have it.
Used to live on an estate in manchester and they would would simply wander round with an antenna until something opened and then took it, others were specifically targeted and they would beeline to it.
It takes a certain person to come into someone's home, but it takes a lesser person to wander around with an antenna.
Edited by BobSaunders on Monday 27th November 11:01
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