RE: TVR Speed Six Design Spec Upgrade

RE: TVR Speed Six Design Spec Upgrade

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ridds

8,234 posts

246 months

Wednesday 13th May 2009
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The blurb is just probably what Melling and RG have found available from will suppliers etc.

The stupid bit is it's even listed in the same order!

The Wookie

13,986 posts

230 months

Wednesday 13th May 2009
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rev-erend said:
Blackie Paul .. well to the layman it might sound the same but many of those parts are commonly available parts .. like the H beam conrods .. proably custom made in USA by someone like Eagle.. many parts are just what racers source as the best available because they are strong, light and durable and are also made to fine tolerances.
The spec sheets are identical in order and format. It is copied, pasted and edited with a good bullst factor of 100bhp added on top.

RUSSELLM

6,000 posts

249 months

Wednesday 13th May 2009
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At least it's changed from his last attempt


http://www.pistonheads.com/tvr/default.asp?storyId...

JonRB

74,937 posts

274 months

Wednesday 13th May 2009
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The Wookie said:
The spec sheets are identical in order and format.
Yep. That's the giveaway. Every schoolboy knows that when copying someone else's work you rewrite and reorder it slightly to make it less blatantly obvious.

The Wookie said:
It is copied, pasted and edited with a good bullst factor of 100bhp added on top.
It certainly seems that way. And I would imagine Racing Green's solicitors will be arguing just that.

As for the extra 100bhp, well it wouldn't be a Melling Press Release if it didn't have some headline-grabbing claim, now would it? smile

RUSSELLM

6,000 posts

249 months

Gridl0k

1,058 posts

185 months

Wednesday 13th May 2009
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JonRB said:
I would imagine Racing Green's solicitors will be arguing just that.
IANAL but I doubt there's anything actionable here. Objectionable certainly but legally, what? Copyright?

JonRB

74,937 posts

274 months

Wednesday 13th May 2009
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Gridl0k said:
IANAL but I doubt there's anything actionable here. Objectionable certainly but legally, what? Copyright?
Yup, copyright. It's allegedly a derivative of a document that is copyrighted by Racing Green. But IANAL either. smile

Mr Heathen

403 posts

199 months

Wednesday 13th May 2009
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Gridl0k said:
I ANAL
Do you really? I think you might be on the wrong forum chum...







getmecoat

Edited by Mr Heathen on Wednesday 13th May 13:17

The Wookie

13,986 posts

230 months

Wednesday 13th May 2009
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JonRB said:
As for the extra 100bhp, well it wouldn't be a Melling Press Release if it didn't have some headline-grabbing claim, now would it? smile
All these ambitious projects that appear to amount to nothing, the number of ventures that have collapsed in the past, and this reputation of components and expertise sold to the top manufacturers that appears to have little to back it up...

All of these Claims, and I'll gladly take it back if I'm wrong, but it seems all there is to show for it appears to be an unreliable engine design and a couple of rebodied 90's TVR's.

Horse_Apple

3,795 posts

244 months

Wednesday 13th May 2009
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JonRB said:
The Wookie said:
The spec sheets are identical in order and format.
Yep. That's the giveaway. Every schoolboy knows that when copying someone else's work you rewrite and reorder it slightly to make it less blatantly obvious.

The Wookie said:
It is copied, pasted and edited with a good bullst factor of 100bhp added on top.
It certainly seems that way. And I would imagine Racing Green's solicitors will be arguing just that.

As for the extra 100bhp, well it wouldn't be a Melling Press Release if it didn't have some headline-grabbing claim, now would it? smile
Could it be that RG originally contracted Melling to design the spec and without a non-compete, Melling decided he would also offer his design direct but also use some little gems he held back that help with the power output? Just wondering if there is an other side to the story.

900T-R

20,404 posts

259 months

Wednesday 13th May 2009
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The Wookie said:
and a couple of rebodied 90's TVR's.
More like American hot rods clothed in '90s TVR lookalike bodies...

Podie

46,631 posts

277 months

Wednesday 13th May 2009
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RUSSELLM said:
Dated April 16, 2004...

Gridl0k

1,058 posts

185 months

Wednesday 13th May 2009
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Podie said:
RUSSELLM said:
Dated April 16, 2004...
I think that article's obligatory whenever a Melling thread comes up.

Success to date? Erm..

He makes a good point though, places like Rochdale, the Black Country and others don't get the credit they deserve as the birthplace of the global industrial age.

Mr Whippy

29,134 posts

243 months

Wednesday 13th May 2009
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Melling said:
When you ride down the street on a Monos bike, people will look at you and think 'that guy is special, he has made it, he is mature, he is important'.
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OatSy

1,537 posts

218 months

Wednesday 13th May 2009
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Why doesn't the wildcat have the option of this engine scratchchin It has more horsepower than most the other engine options

Gridl0k

1,058 posts

185 months

Wednesday 13th May 2009
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OatSy said:
Why doesn't the wildcat have the option of this engine scratchchin It has more horsepower than most the other engine options
He's testing it on other people's TVRs first, by the looks of it. Or not.

I'd have thought a Wildcat on a dyno would have been the ideal way to launch this package myself..

JonRB

74,937 posts

274 months

Wednesday 13th May 2009
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Gazboy said:
He wants the customers to provide the R&D?
Oh. So Melling *is* the new TVR after all then! hehe

blackiepaul

1,973 posts

196 months

Wednesday 13th May 2009
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Harry Flashman said:
gifdy said:
That is bloody outrageous
+1 - Oh my word!

Has anyone told Racing Green?

ETA - So they know. Good.

Edited by Harry Flashman on Wednesday 13th May 12:09
Hello All,

I really hope Racing Green know, I would be going mad if I were them.

I can not believe someone would be happy to launch a product and copy someone elses spec, I would of at least made an effort to change the order in which I wrote the items down.

Looks like I found something that has put the cat among the pigeons, probually the worst forum thread for a engine I have ever seen.



dvs_dave

8,752 posts

227 months

Wednesday 13th May 2009
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Harry Flashman said:
Tuscan S I was with on a recent run kept up with me easily, and in the straights, overtook and simply disappeared.
'Twas I sirsmile. Hope you've since got your motor sorted thumbup

Back on topic....

I love the idea of a 550 bhp Speed 6 but Mr Melling has some explaining and some proving to do if he want's any chance at saving his reputation (amongst online Joe Public at least).

Presuming a big part of this engine's power is that it won't have to comply with any sort of emissions regs as it's an aftermarket modification?



jonnylayze

1,640 posts

228 months

Wednesday 13th May 2009
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PascalBuyens said:
eldudereno said:
jonnylayze said:
PascalBuyens said:
tegwin said:
Amazing stuff... but why would you spend that much money to still have an engine that is not ever going to be 100% reliable when you could just pop a BMW straight 6 straight in, spend some money tuning it and pocket the change!
Because, by doing so, you'd take away the TVR soul... Just like putting in a US V8, it's just simply wrong...
How is fitting a US V8 wrong. Like many others I think that this is the route TVR should have taken in the first place - either to fit the BMW 6 or V8 or fit a Chevy V8. If they'd done this, rather than pursuing aspirations well beyond the development budget they had available compared to the likes of Porsche or Ferrari, they'd probably still be in business now.
Considering the complete disaster the Speed 6 engine was, how can anyone still think that TVR did the right thing? rolleyes Chevy V8 all the way for me, why re-invent the wheel. Even with the AJP V8 I recall one poor guy returning home after buying his dream car and the bl**dy crankshaft snapped!!! eek
When my Speed Six broke down, I looked for a Chevy V8 transplant, specifically the LS7. Guess what? It doesn't fit in a Tuscan.

As for BMW engines... nothing against BMW, I owned 11 so far, but if I wanted a BMW powered roadster, I'd buy a Wiesmann. Then again, that car simply doesn't have the heritage that TVR has, does it? (hope that explains my point a bit).

As for engine transplants, I'm very aware of what it can do to a car (I used to have a Honda Type R powered Lotus Elise before). Just not my thing anymore, had too much troubles over here in Belgium to get it all "road legal".

Besides, you should be proud that with all the car madness in the UK, people tried to stay British...

Edited by PascalBuyens on Wednesday 13th May 08:33


Edited by PascalBuyens on Wednesday 13th May 08:35
Trying to stay 'British' after the demise of the RV8 was admirable (although arguably the American v8 and the Ford engines that predated it weren't British anyway). However, I think the decision to pursue their own engine was too ambitious for such a small company. I wasn't suggesting that the chevy V8s should be retro-fitted, only that this is the type of engine TVR should have designed the car around in the first place.

As for the character of a BMW engine's character being unsuited to a TVR, one only has to drive a 2.9 Scorpio against an S to realise the magic which can be worked by a TVR exhaust system