RE: Driven: BMW 1 Series M Coupé

[Mermaid]

aeropilot said:

Herman Toothrot said:

M/// is now just for those that want to say they have the most expensive, flash looking model.

Sadly true.

The spiral downwards started when ///M decided it would be a good idea to make an E30 M3 convertible......

That 1988 car weighed close to 1400kg, so perhaps M & convertible should not be together.

[RudeDog]

inkiboo said:

RudeDog said:

I was put off this car when I saw that it was a BMW

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner. The most stupid post of the whole thread!

Mods, can we ban on the grounds of abject stupidity?

Sorry inkiboo, I wasn't aware Pistonheads prohibited expression of opinions on it's fora.

I wouldn't buy a BMW for the same reason I wouldn't buy a Lada, a Ford or a Hyundai. I just don't like the brands.

[RobM77]

RudeDog said:

inkiboo said:

RudeDog said:

I was put off this car when I saw that it was a BMW

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner. The most stupid post of the whole thread!

Mods, can we ban on the grounds of abject stupidity?

Sorry inkiboo, I wasn't aware Pistonheads prohibited expression of opinions on it's fora.

I wouldn't buy a BMW for the same reason I wouldn't buy a Lada, a Ford or a Hyundai. I just don't like the brands.

I respect your opinion, but you have to be ready for people to not understand such an unusual statement, and post accordingly.

If I read now on the internet that Ford had designed my Z4 Coupé instead of BMW and if I scratched at the badges I'd see a blue oval instead of a blue propellor, my opinion of the car wouldn't change at all. Are you saying that yours would?

[RudeDog]

RobM77 said:

RudeDog said:

inkiboo said:

RudeDog said:

I was put off this car when I saw that it was a BMW

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner. The most stupid post of the whole thread!

Mods, can we ban on the grounds of abject stupidity?

Sorry inkiboo, I wasn't aware Pistonheads prohibited expression of opinions on it's fora.

I wouldn't buy a BMW for the same reason I wouldn't buy a Lada, a Ford or a Hyundai. I just don't like the brands.

I respect your opinion, but you have to be ready for people to not understand such an unusual statement, and post accordingly.

If I read now on the internet that Ford had designed my Z4 Coupé instead of BMW and if I scratched at the badges I'd see a blue oval instead of a blue propellor, my opinion of the car wouldn't change at all. Are you saying that yours would?

Yes, I think it would. Is that bad?

I do not wear clothes with large labels emblazoned across them but a different analogy would be a shirt made by Eton or Canali I would wear but a Ralph Lauren or heaven forbid a Burberry shirt, I would not. Even if it was the same shirt.

BMW promotes an image that I do not like so although I can find myself appreciating some of their technology and engineering skills, I never find myself interested in purchasing one of their vehicles.

Its personal choice and I can also respect that some people like BMWs, Ladas, Fords and Burberry clothes.

[aeropilot]

RudeDog said:

I wouldn't buy a BMW for the same reason I wouldn't buy a Lada, a Ford or a Hyundai. I just don't like the brands.

So, why bother to post any sort of comment in a thread about any of those makes if they hold no interest for you......

[Mermaid]

So we were saying about this brilliant pocket rocket that everyone will want to get their hands - only 2700 being made.

[RobM77]

RudeDog said:

RobM77 said:

RudeDog said:

inkiboo said:

RudeDog said:

I was put off this car when I saw that it was a BMW

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner. The most stupid post of the whole thread!

Mods, can we ban on the grounds of abject stupidity?

Sorry inkiboo, I wasn't aware Pistonheads prohibited expression of opinions on it's fora.

I wouldn't buy a BMW for the same reason I wouldn't buy a Lada, a Ford or a Hyundai. I just don't like the brands.

I respect your opinion, but you have to be ready for people to not understand such an unusual statement, and post accordingly.

If I read now on the internet that Ford had designed my Z4 Coupé instead of BMW and if I scratched at the badges I'd see a blue oval instead of a blue propellor, my opinion of the car wouldn't change at all. Are you saying that yours would?

Yes, I think it would. Is that bad?

I do not wear clothes with large labels emblazoned across them but a different analogy would be a shirt made by Eton or Canali I would wear but a Ralph Lauren or heaven forbid a Burberry shirt, I would not. Even if it was the same shirt.

BMW promotes an image that I do not like so although I can find myself appreciating some of their technology and engineering skills, I never find myself interested in purchasing one of their vehicles.

Its personal choice and I can also respect that some people like BMWs, Ladas, Fords and Burberry clothes.

Of course not, there's nothing wrong with having that opinion, but you've got to be ready for some criticism if you're honest enough to admit to it. I think we're all a little like that; if I'm completely honest I don't enjoy buying BMWs because of the image problem. When I buy one I know I'm going to get stick from people that I meet for driving one, I'll get cut up on the road, road rage, tailgated etc etc. People will classify me as a badge snob, a fashion victim and a bad driver, without even meeting me. However, I'm about to buy my fifth BMW because it just so happens each time I change my car I drive a range of cars and like the BMW the best, usually by quite a margin. My Dad has the same problem - he's just ordered a new 320d ED. He wanted the new sporty Volvo, but both him and my Mum hated the way it drove. They test drove the Merc C220d three times just to be sure because they didn't want "another BMW", but in the end the 320d ED was just a better car in every way. The truth is that most of us don't like the image problem that BMW have in this country, but many of us find that our requirements aren't met by any other manufacturer. BMW consistently build, in each price sector, the quietest cars at speed, the most economical, often the most powerful and often the nicest handling. To deny all of that purely because you don't like the label is going too far for many of us. I respect and understand your decision though.

[pilchardthecat]

According to Albert Biermann (development head at BMW M division)

"The BMW 1 Series M Coupé is driven by a 3.0 litre inline six cylinder bi turbo engine delivering about 340 hp"

http://www.m-power.com/_open/b/varlink.jsp?lang=en

So it's all mid range, no top end fizzle, and still only the same power as the old M3.

Doesn't look like progress to me. I bet the inevitable remaps make it really laggy too.

[aeropilot]

RudeDog said:

I wouldn't buy a BMW for the same reason I wouldn't buy a Lada, a Ford or a Hyundai. I just don't like the brands.

So, why bother to post any sort of comment in a thread about any of those makes if they hold no interest for you......

[RudeDog]

aeropilot said:

RudeDog said:

I wouldn't buy a BMW for the same reason I wouldn't buy a Lada, a Ford or a Hyundai. I just don't like the brands.

So, why bother to post any sort of comment in a thread about any of those makes if they hold no interest for you......

I'm getting deja vu.

I am interested in cars which is why I am a member of PH. I believe that its important to learn and understand about cars of all types in order to form a valid or credible opinion. So I read the news article and the ensuing comments. I could have posted "its heavy" and "it's going to run out of poof" but that had already been done to death by the time I got to the end of the thread. All I had left to contribute was my opinion on the brand.

You are right though, I do not usually peruse the BMW section of PH.

[bodhi]

I am at a loss as to how someone can say they dislike BMW's image when they have a Porsche in the garage? Surely their image in the UK is even worse?

It also does seem a very strange attitude. I mean I don;t really like VW's (fairly tedious, and the scene is full of idiots who think dangerous cars are the way forwards), but I'd still bite your hand off for a Golf GTI.

As for the weight/turbo comments, meh. The M-Division could tailor a car exactly to our needs, a BMW Elise if you like. However, hardly anyone would buy it and, if they carried on, there would be no new M-Cars, which scares me more than a Turbo and a few extra pounds.

Anyway I forgot, M stands for marketing now. Which means there are no M-Cars in motorsport any more.



Oh....

[daveco]

pilchardthecat said:

According to Albert Biermann (development head at BMW M division)

"The BMW 1 Series M Coupé is driven by a 3.0 litre inline six cylinder bi turbo engine delivering about 340 hp"

http://www.m-power.com/_open/b/varlink.jsp?lang=en

So it's all mid range, no top end fizzle, and still only the same power as the old M3.

Doesn't look like progress to me. I bet the inevitable remaps make it really laggy too.

I think BMW are aiming this model squarely at the American market, and at models like the Golf R and the 370Z.

They're aware that the U.S. has such a huge mods community that they'll let the owners do the tinkering.

When they announce the price all will become clear.

[PompeyX]

Back to topic....

I would definitely buy one, despite the flaws.

Unfortunately it isn't an E30 by any stretch. If anything, it is more like a modern e46 M3 (standard version) - similar power (albeit not N/A) and weight.

The E46 was a very good car and I have no doubt will be too.

If they built a CSL version of it (or a Tii or a clubsport or whatever they want to call it), I'm sure it would be a great car rather than just very good. Unlikely they will build it though as would probably cannibalise the e92 - similar to the cayman s v 911 dynamic....

[pilchardthecat]

PompeyX said:

Back to topic....

I would definitely buy one, despite the flaws.

Unfortunately it isn't an E30 by any stretch. If anything, it is more like a modern e46 M3 (standard version) - similar power (albeit not N/A) and weight.

The E46 was a very good car and I have no doubt will be too.

If they built a CSL version of it (or a Tii or a clubsport or whatever they want to call it), I'm sure it would be a great car rather than just very good. Unlikely they will build it though as would probably cannibalise the e92 - similar to the cayman s v 911 dynamic....

The e46 M3 was a great car because it had the S54 engine in it.

Similar power, yes, but completely different power delivery

[RobM77]

PompeyX said:

Back to topic....

I would definitely buy one, despite the flaws.

Unfortunately it isn't an E30 by any stretch. If anything, it is more like a modern e46 M3 (standard version) - similar power (albeit not N/A) and weight.

The E46 was a very good car and I have no doubt will be too.

If they built a CSL version of it (or a Tii or a clubsport or whatever they want to call it), I'm sure it would be a great car rather than just very good. Unlikely they will build it though as would probably cannibalise the e92 - similar to the cayman s v 911 dynamic....

Funny isn't it how refinement steps on a bit with each generation. Just like the Golf was a small car, then it grew so we needed the Polo, which then grew so we needed the Lupo, which then grew so we needed the Fox; the M3 grew refined and numb so we needed a CSL, and then we needed a GTS. In ten years time the base M3 will be a diesel with extra badges on it, and the real driver's car will be the M3 CSL GTS RRRR CSR.

[Hellbound]

Palmball said:

.....what period do some of you think we're living in? The 90's?

So one in Estoril blue with lotus leather and 19" replica E36 BMW Motorsport alloys would be in poor taste...?

[///Mike]

Great car but I don't think I will be chopping my 135 in for one after reading that, I would need to go and drive one myself though obviously. A 1 M with the options I have on my 135 would likely cost closer to 50K and that opens up a whole new arena of cars.

A mechanical LSD, BMW PP turbo back exhaust and a remap for the 135 is a far more appealing option now when I weigh it up.

[///Mike]

chippy17 said:

inkiboo said:

Oh god I am so massively bored with everyone on PH going on about weight. If you want a car with a decent interior, good sound isolation and enhanced safety equipment then it is going to weigh more than the previous generation car.

If you don't want all that, buy a Lotus Elise.

Porsche seem to manage it...why can't BMW

this car should weigh 1350-1400 not 1500

inkiboo I totally agree with your statement. If you get under a 135 you will notice that there is a hell of a lot of aluminium parts so they are thinking about the weight.

They are safe and feel extremely sure footed at speed and I am comparing that to my last few cars which have been e36 M3s.

As for Porsche managing the weight issue. If you compare my 1er to its rival the Caymen, I have a boot not far short of that in a modern 3 series and can carry 4 people in relative comfort and the 135 beat the Caymen in the slalom and acceleration test that Firth Gear did a few years ago. I have no issue with the weight as the comfort and safety is there and the torque it produces more than makes up for the additional weight.

[RobM77]

///Mike said:

chippy17 said:

inkiboo said:

Oh god I am so massively bored with everyone on PH going on about weight. If you want a car with a decent interior, good sound isolation and enhanced safety equipment then it is going to weigh more than the previous generation car.

If you don't want all that, buy a Lotus Elise.

Porsche seem to manage it...why can't BMW

this car should weigh 1350-1400 not 1500

inkiboo I totally agree with your statement. If you get under a 135 you will notice that there is a hell of a lot of aluminium parts so they are thinking about the weight.

They are safe and feel extremely sure footed at speed and I am comparing that to my last few cars which have been e36 M3s.

As for Porsche managing the weight issue. If you compare my 1er to its rival the Caymen, I have a boot not far short of that in a modern 3 series and can carry 4 people in relative comfort and the 135 beat the Caymen in the slalom and acceleration test that Firth Gear did a few years ago. I have no issue with the weight as the comfort and safety is there and the torque it produces more than makes up for the additional weight.

Inkiboo's statement is a bit extreme though. I'd like to think there's a middle ground between luxo barge and an Elise!

The Cayman S weighs 1300-1400kg, and the outgoing Z4C, oh, and doesn't the latest TT RS weigh about that too? That's a four seater.

The 3 series is probably the 1's biggest problem - it's only a few inches longer and a little bit heavier, and yet the driving position is better, the interior space is greater, it doesn't look so awkward and of course, in M form, it comes with a screaming normally aspirated V8.

[aeropilot]

///Mike said:

As for Porsche managing the weight issue. If you compare my 1er to its rival the Caymen

I'm perplexed as to why anyone would consider any 1 Series could be a 'rival' to a Caymen (or any other two seater 'sports' type car for that matter).... ?????

It's like going back to the early 1970's and saying a Ford Escort was a rival to a Lotus Elan for goodness sake.....