Flemke - Is this your McLaren? (Vol 5)
Discussion
hondafanatic said:
Soooooo... Evo P1 vs F1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bziUYnN8Mg - what do you reckon Flemke? I guess it doesn't bring anything new but I did like the tale of the tail lights.
I guess this would be a video version of the evo cover story of a few months back. There were a number of factual errors, but Henry did a good job of capturing the essence of the F1.
The main point, I think, is that the F1 demands the total involvement of the driver, and repays every bit of that involvement. The same cannot be said of any "supercar" since, although the Carrera GT heads in that direction.
flemke said:
I guess this would be a video version of the evo cover story of a few months back.
There were a number of factual errors, but Henry did a good job of capturing the essence of the F1.
The main point, I think, is that the F1 demands the total involvement of the driver, and repays every bit of that involvement. The same cannot be said of any "supercar" since, although the Carrera GT heads in that direction.
What factual errors did you find? Maximum speed record was not 243 mph, but 243,6137... mph?There were a number of factual errors, but Henry did a good job of capturing the essence of the F1.
The main point, I think, is that the F1 demands the total involvement of the driver, and repays every bit of that involvement. The same cannot be said of any "supercar" since, although the Carrera GT heads in that direction.
andyps said:
Ira said:
What factual errors did you find? Maximum speed record was not 243 mph, but 243,6137... mph?
If you go back a few pages they have already been covered here.In the video, Henry says that the rev-limited Vmax is "231". Rather, that was the speed achieved by Jonathan Palmer at Nardo, which speed was reduced because of the tyre scrub inherent in driving in a big circle.
The actual rev-limited Vmax is 224. When Andy Wallace established the derestricted Vmax of 241, the engine was hovering at 7500 rpm. The factory rev-limit is 7000, which equates to 224. It's easy to do the maths, although I verified them empirically myself.
Henry mentioned that, in the early '90s, McLaren tried but failed to adapt "ceramic" brakes to the car, but had to settle for "steel" ones.
Acutally, McLaren tried but failed to adapt carbon matrix brakes, but had to settle for iron ones.
He also said something about how all the interiors were grey with a brightly coloured driver's seat. Although that was a common interior scheme, there was no standard scheme, and first owners specified a wide variety of interiors.
flemke said:
I think the errors cited a few pages back were the ones in the evo article on the cars' technology, where they got the purpose of the central driving position and the difference in width of the two cars wrong.
In the video, Henry says that the rev-limited Vmax is "231". Rather, that was the speed achieved by Jonathan Palmer at Nardo, which speed was reduced because of the tyre scrub inherent in driving in a big circle.
The actual rev-limited Vmax is 224. When Andy Wallace established the derestricted Vmax of 241, the engine was hovering at 7500 rpm. The factory rev-limit is 7000, which equates to 224. It's easy to do the maths, although I verified them empirically myself.
Henry mentioned that, in the early '90s, McLaren tried but failed to adapt "ceramic" brakes to the car, but had to settle for "steel" ones.
Acutally, McLaren tried but failed to adapt carbon matrix brakes, but had to settle for iron ones.
He also said something about how all the interiors were grey with a brightly coloured driver's seat. Although that was a common interior scheme, there was no standard scheme, and first owners specified a wide variety of interiors.
Thanks for the clarification, I mis-read your post about the video. Must make time to watch it!In the video, Henry says that the rev-limited Vmax is "231". Rather, that was the speed achieved by Jonathan Palmer at Nardo, which speed was reduced because of the tyre scrub inherent in driving in a big circle.
The actual rev-limited Vmax is 224. When Andy Wallace established the derestricted Vmax of 241, the engine was hovering at 7500 rpm. The factory rev-limit is 7000, which equates to 224. It's easy to do the maths, although I verified them empirically myself.
Henry mentioned that, in the early '90s, McLaren tried but failed to adapt "ceramic" brakes to the car, but had to settle for "steel" ones.
Acutally, McLaren tried but failed to adapt carbon matrix brakes, but had to settle for iron ones.
He also said something about how all the interiors were grey with a brightly coloured driver's seat. Although that was a common interior scheme, there was no standard scheme, and first owners specified a wide variety of interiors.
flemke said:
The actual rev-limited Vmax is 224. When Andy Wallace established the derestricted Vmax of 241, the engine was hovering at 7500 rpm. The factory rev-limit is 7000, which equates to 224. It's easy to do the maths, although I verified them empirically myself.
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Am sure I remember reading somewhere that the F1 limiter was 7500rpm and was raised to 8000 ish for Andy Wallace's record run? Or has my memory gone completely fuzzy.....
isaldiri said:
flemke said:
The actual rev-limited Vmax is 224. When Andy Wallace established the derestricted Vmax of 241, the engine was hovering at 7500 rpm. The factory rev-limit is 7000, which equates to 224. It's easy to do the maths, although I verified them empirically myself.
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Am sure I remember reading somewhere that the F1 limiter was 7500rpm and was raised to 8000 ish for Andy Wallace's record run? Or has my memory gone completely fuzzy.....
flemke said:
You are right. I recalled "7500" and a 500 rpm differential, but obviously I should have added, not subtracted. That's what I get for having not driven the car in quite a while.
whew, glad I remembered right for once (or was not mistaken like forever..) heh.Weather I'm told is pretty nice around the Eifel now....;)
isaldiri said:
flemke said:
You are right. I recalled "7500" and a 500 rpm differential, but obviously I should have added, not subtracted. That's what I get for having not driven the car in quite a while.
whew, glad I remembered right for once (or was not mistaken like forever..) heh.Weather I'm told is pretty nice around the Eifel now....;)
Ira said:
http://youtu.be/73LNmkL4tfg
Curious
Thank you for that. I have a lot of time for Henry, who does good work.Curious
A couple of small points:
They ultimately made 5 cars with high mirrors, not 2.
Also, the reason that Michelin made a new batch of tyres was not that "a bunch of owners clubbed together".
Rather, McLaren had to negotiate with Michelin for more than a year before the latter agreed to make a new batch. McLaren then went to existing owners and asked whether any of them would like to order for themselves tyres to be made in the batch, at a discounted price to what they would have to pay if they left it to McLaren to buy "X" number of tyres for factory inventory and then in future the owners would buy only as they needed them. It was a good method, which they may follow for a few other parts when original inventories are exhausted.
flemke said:
Ira said:
http://youtu.be/73LNmkL4tfg
Curious
Thank you for that. I have a lot of time for Henry, who does good work.Curious
A couple of small points:
They ultimately made 5 cars with high mirrors, not 2.
Also, the reason that Michelin made a new batch of tyres was not that "a bunch of owners clubbed together".
Rather, McLaren had to negotiate with Michelin for more than a year before the latter agreed to make a new batch. McLaren then went to existing owners and asked whether any of them would like to order for themselves tyres to be made in the batch, at a discounted price to what they would have to pay if they left it to McLaren to buy "X" number of tyres for factory inventory and then in future the owners would buy only as they needed them. It was a good method, which they may follow for a few other parts when original inventories are exhausted.
chris333 said:
flemke said:
Ira said:
http://youtu.be/73LNmkL4tfg
Curious
Thank you for that. I have a lot of time for Henry, who does good work.Curious
A couple of small points:
They ultimately made 5 cars with high mirrors, not 2.
Also, the reason that Michelin made a new batch of tyres was not that "a bunch of owners clubbed together".
Rather, McLaren had to negotiate with Michelin for more than a year before the latter agreed to make a new batch. McLaren then went to existing owners and asked whether any of them would like to order for themselves tyres to be made in the batch, at a discounted price to what they would have to pay if they left it to McLaren to buy "X" number of tyres for factory inventory and then in future the owners would buy only as they needed them. It was a good method, which they may follow for a few other parts when original inventories are exhausted.
chris333 said:
flemke said:
£5-6k.
Seem to remember reading that a set of Veyron tyres was about £20k..makes the F1 look like budget motoring Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff