The BAD PARKING thread [vol3]
Discussion
herewego said:
fatboy18 said:
TO MAKE WIDER SPACES YOU NEED MORE LAND" sorry but that is not true, what I am saying is instead of cramming as many spaces as possible into the area, you REDUCE to amount of current spaces and repaint the lines making the spaces wider, this may mean you have 50 less spaces (overall) perhaps more, but its not that often supermarket car parks are full to the brim, sure they have their peak moments but in the long run it would make the shopping experience much better. I have in the past queued up at Customer services and filled out complaint forms at Sainsburys in Epsom, moaning about the stupid size of their spaces. Nothing has been done so I choose not to shop there anymore. If more people took the time to complain instead of just putting up with things, Im sure it would change. 
I completely agree with you about the increase in car sizes and your right saying spaces have not increased in size, However as I said Costco has taken the position of making bigger spaces, so if they can do it I'm sure the others could too.
Costco's customers are commercial folk so I expect the spaces are designed for vans. I don't think supermarkets should reduce the size just because some of their customers have chosen oversize cars. If the big car folk have them because of family size then they can use the parent and child places anyway. If they are on their own they can find a place away from the door where there are fewer cars parked leaving more room for manoeuvre while still parking in one space. I completely agree with you about the increase in car sizes and your right saying spaces have not increased in size, However as I said Costco has taken the position of making bigger spaces, so if they can do it I'm sure the others could too. Edited by fatboy18 on Tuesday 4th November 08:17
fatboy18 said:
ar Park is property of supermarket or Landlord, they could employ private company to issue fines or clamp vehicles. Works in other areas. People would soon get the point.
I'm not an expert on the law, but as far as I understand it, it's now illegal to clamp a vehicle on private property. As far as fines go, only the Police, the courts, and local authority officials can issue 'fines'. Anything issued by a landlord, property owner, or their appointed agent would be a 'parking charge'. This is a charge pre-announced on signage in the car park and forming part of a contract to which you agree by parking on the property. To enforce such a charge would require civil court action, which often isn't financially viable for the owner/landlord. Would you waste your time suing for 'breach of contract' or seeking compensation for 'financial loss' when some oik parks outside the lines in your car park? Especially if it's a largely empty car park, whereby the miscreant could point out that you have suffered no loss of custom by his/her actions. Fines can be punitive in their nature, but civil 'charges' cannot - 'charges' can only offer recompense for actual losses. ( As far as I understand it, of course.
)mistakenplane said:
This one really pissed me off. Spaces everywhere including about 30 feet away. Nope, I drive a big car so I can park across hatching next to disabled bays because I REALLY need to get into Sainsburys faster.
That sort of stuff really yanks my chain, together with parking in the bay near the door that is clearly marked "pick up bay only". It's symptomatic of an arrogant sense of self-entitlement, that somehow the rules that everyone else abides don't apply to them.yellowjack said:
fatboy18 said:
ar Park is property of supermarket or Landlord, they could employ private company to issue fines or clamp vehicles. Works in other areas. People would soon get the point.
I'm not an expert on the law, but as far as I understand it, it's now illegal to clamp a vehicle on private property. As far as fines go, only the Police, the courts, and local authority officials can issue 'fines'. Anything issued by a landlord, property owner, or their appointed agent would be a 'parking charge'. This is a charge pre-announced on signage in the car park and forming part of a contract to which you agree by parking on the property. To enforce such a charge would require civil court action, which often isn't financially viable for the owner/landlord. Would you waste your time suing for 'breach of contract' or seeking compensation for 'financial loss' when some oik parks outside the lines in your car park? Especially if it's a largely empty car park, whereby the miscreant could point out that you have suffered no loss of custom by his/her actions. Fines can be punitive in their nature, but civil 'charges' cannot - 'charges' can only offer recompense for actual losses. ( As far as I understand it, of course.
)To remove the cowboy clampers, it was made illegal to levy a fine for any unauthorised parking.
Hol said:
yellowjack said:
fatboy18 said:
ar Park is property of supermarket or Landlord, they could employ private company to issue fines or clamp vehicles. Works in other areas. People would soon get the point.
I'm not an expert on the law, but as far as I understand it, it's now illegal to clamp a vehicle on private property. As far as fines go, only the Police, the courts, and local authority officials can issue 'fines'. Anything issued by a landlord, property owner, or their appointed agent would be a 'parking charge'. This is a charge pre-announced on signage in the car park and forming part of a contract to which you agree by parking on the property. To enforce such a charge would require civil court action, which often isn't financially viable for the owner/landlord. Would you waste your time suing for 'breach of contract' or seeking compensation for 'financial loss' when some oik parks outside the lines in your car park? Especially if it's a largely empty car park, whereby the miscreant could point out that you have suffered no loss of custom by his/her actions. Fines can be punitive in their nature, but civil 'charges' cannot - 'charges' can only offer recompense for actual losses. ( As far as I understand it, of course.
)To remove the cowboy clampers, it was made illegal to levy a fine for any unauthorised parking.
Europa1 said:
mistakenplane said:
Anyway!
What depresses me about that photo is the fact that that syle of parking bay marking seems to be a fairly new thing brought in because so many people are so F&^*ing incapable of parking in a bay marked with a single stripe down each side. irocfan said:
Europa1 said:
mistakenplane said:
Anyway!
What depresses me about that photo is the fact that that syle of parking bay marking seems to be a fairly new thing brought in because so many people are so F&^*ing incapable of parking in a bay marked with a single stripe down each side. herewego said:
Costco's customers are commercial folk so I expect the spaces are designed for vans. I don't think supermarkets should reduce the size just because some of their customers have chosen oversize cars. If the big car folk have them because of family size then they can use the parent and child places anyway. If they are on their own they can find a place away from the door where there are fewer cars parked leaving more room for manoeuvre while still parking in one space.
My local Wickes has done this. A well laid out carpark. Long marked places and clearly marked for the vans, but of course the local knobheads in their people movers park in the van places, clearly the stores underesstimated stupid.Europa1 said:
irocfan said:
Europa1 said:
mistakenplane said:
Anyway!
What depresses me about that photo is the fact that that syle of parking bay marking seems to be a fairly new thing brought in because so many people are so F&^*ing incapable of parking in a bay marked with a single stripe down each side. 
Just nipped into ASDA on my way home from work, as the photo above, but White Van in a Disabled parking bay near the shop entrance and two wheels half on the kerb rambo19 said:
fatboy18 said:
ar Park is property of supermarket or Landlord, they could employ private company to issue fines or clamp vehicles. Works in other areas. People would soon get the point.
Not allowed to clamp on private land.Fines may help, but are un enforceable, imo.
rambo19 said:
The Vambo said:
mistakenplane said:
Him -1
You -0
The Vambo said:
rambo19 said:
The Vambo said:
mistakenplane said:
Him -1
You -0
Obviously FB's wouldnt manage it. Just my opinion.
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