RE: New Ginetta G60 Road Car Revealed

[kambites]

steveq135 said:

Hmmm , based on your post I can only assume that the `fault` in the Porsche steering rack lies in the fact that you are piloting the wheel with your nose , due to your hands being fastened behind your back with you wearing your `special coat`. :P

It's a funny thing - some people don't even notice the big step in rack ratio at however many degrees from straight ahead, whereas it drives others completely mad. Oddly, Mercedes use a similar system and that bothers me far less (obviously the Merc system is nowhere near as good as the Porsche one in other ways, before someone will a very poor grasp of the English language accuses me of saying that Mercedes produce cars with better steering than Porsche).

[steveq135]

kambites said:

It's a funny thing - some people don't even notice the big step in rack ratio at however many degrees from straight ahead, whereas it drives others completely mad. Oddly, Mercedes use a similar system and that bothers me far less (obviously the Merc system is nowhere near as good as the Porsche one in other ways, before someone will a very poor grasp of the English language accuses me of saying that Mercedes produce cars with better steering than Porsche).

Interesting , can`t say I`ve noticed anything like that ...

[affe]

Hmm, £68, really?
I can see why making this car might mean it has a price tag of £68', but I don't see why anyone would want to buy it at that price.
Looks are subjective, but this looks ten year out of date.
Also, why is the engine output so low and the 0-60 time so poor?
I wish them well, but I don't think this has a hope. Pricey for a track toy and no looks/cred/badge for the street.
Let's hope they find some more horses and ditch the two tone colour scheme.

[kambites]

steveq135 said:

kambites said:

It's a funny thing - some people don't even notice the big step in rack ratio at however many degrees from straight ahead, whereas it drives others completely mad. Oddly, Mercedes use a similar system and that bothers me far less (obviously the Merc system is nowhere near as good as the Porsche one in other ways, before someone will a very poor grasp of the English language accuses me of saying that Mercedes produce cars with better steering than Porsche).

Interesting , can`t say I`ve noticed anything like that ...

See.

[Clivey]

900T-R said:

Your definition of 'lightweight' differs somewhat from mine - of that lot, only the Spyder with its tent-for-a-roof comes below 1,300 kgs.

And that, Gentlemen, is where your extra £20k goes. Losing 300+Kgs is worth more (in a driver's car) than some extra leather trim, air con and a built-in satnav. The Ginetta isn't a regular model that's been modified to try to make it appeal to proper enthusiasts. - It's an enthusiast's car straight off the bat.

[steveq135]

kambites said:

See.

I refuse to concede to a man who doesn`t use his hands to pilot a car.

[suffolk009]

I really, really want to like this car.

But I wasn't fond of the scoops in the doors ten years ago, and they haven't improved with age.

And I don't understand what's going on with Ginetta's numbering system. The Walkletts had it down pretty simple - one number followed another. Now I feel I've missed a few hundred cars.

Anyway, minor grumbles aside, I hope they sell all they can build.

[kambites]

steveq135 said:

kambites said:

See.

I refuse to concede to a man who doesn`t use his hands to pilot a car.

[affe]

Hmm, £68, really?
I can see why making this car might mean it has a price tag of £68', but I don't see why anyone would want to buy it at that price.
Looks are subjective, but this looks ten year out of date.
Also, why is the engine output so low and the 0-60 time so poor?
I wish them well, but I don't think this has a hope. Pricey for a track toy and no looks/cred/badge for the street.
Let's hope they find some more horses and ditch the two tone colour scheme.

[kambites]

I don't think 310bhp for a car weighing only just over a tonne can really be considered a "low" engine output. At least its capacity should mean a decent chunk of torque and it leaves them with an easy way up up the power later if they want to without finding a larger capacity engine. I could easily see a 400+bhp supercharged version coming out at some point.

[ewenm]

Interesting comments from some about the interior quality - any links to photos or is it all guessing?

Chris-R said:

Hubert K said:

@ Chris
are there some more pictures showing interieur (new dashboard), Front and rear lights and New Carbon Fibre Air intake?

Hubert - that's all we've got for now. Press launch next week though, so all will be revealed! Chris

[vintageracer01]

Good package.

But you guys at Ginetta need a seriously good car designer!
This car is not well proportioned and has a pretty boring home made look.

Give it some nice and modern appeal, please...

[Schnellmann]

kambites said:

I certainly suspect it could easily be a better drivers' car. Basing it on the Cayman rather than the 911 would be a good start. Until Porsche really release the potential of the Cayman/Boxster platform, I will remain disappointed.

Making a GT3 with the Cayman platform might result in a quicker car but whether it would be a better driver's car is open as that is more subjective. In any case, the fact that a Cayman GT3 might be even better hardly makes the GT3 RS 4.0 a bad car (I've not read a report from anyone who has driven the car that is anything less than glowing).

[soad]

Can only say it looks absolutely fantastic!

[kambites]

Schnellmann said:

kambites said:

I certainly suspect it could easily be a better drivers' car. Basing it on the Cayman rather than the 911 would be a good start. Until Porsche really release the potential of the Cayman/Boxster platform, I will remain disappointed.

Making a GT3 with the Cayman platform might result in a quicker car but whether it would be a better driver's car is open as that is more subjective. In any case, the fact that a Cayman GT3 might be even better hardly makes the GT3 RS 4.0 a bad car (I've not read a report from anyone who has driven the car that is anything less than glowing).

I never said it was a bad drivers car; at least I didn't mean to. I meant to say that Porsche's primary focus is not on building drivers' cars.

ETA: I'm not trying to say it should be either - Porsche's job is to make money for their share holders, and they can do that better by producing platforms whose primary aim is to provide cars for people who aren't particularly keen drivers. The fact they manage to produce things as good as the GT3 RS (and indeed the standard 911s) is a testament to their engineering ability, but that doesn't mean that a company setting out to produce a pure drivers' car from scratch shouldn't be able to do it better.

Edited by kambites on Wednesday 5th October 14:22

[Terry Barr]

mazdaman1980 said:

I couldnt agree more! Lotus do it better and what did an Exige cost!!

If you mean the S1 Exige, the one without any added junk, mine went out the dealers door at £33k with the 190 upgrade and a bit of carbon trim. £33k ten years ago is probably near enoght twice that now so the Ginetta doesn't look that expensive.
Agree, the V6 Exige really does look like value but if I were to buy one I would want to get rid of the brakes and fit non servoed S1 brakes.

[Terry Barr]

vintageracer01 said:

Good package.

But you guys at Ginetta need a seriously good car designer!
This car is not well proportioned and has a pretty boring home made look.

Give it some nice and modern appeal, please...

I met a guy once who had done car design at collage. I was surprise that he didn't know a stress from a strain nor the reason for anti-Ackermann. It turned out that car design was an Arts course.
What I mean is who the hell cares how it looks, all that matters is how it goes,

[kambites]

Terry Barr said:

What I mean is who the hell cares how it looks, all that matters is how it goes,

But I'd hazard that 90% of car buyers care more about how a car looks than how it goes.

[RudeDog]

kambites said:

But I'd hazard that 90% of car buyers care more about how a car looks than how it goes.

That would be an interesting poll. However I doubt a PH poll would support your statistic.

[braddo]

kambites said:

But I'd hazard that 90% of car buyers care more about how a car looks than how it goes.

But Ginetta G60 buyers?