RE: Driven: BMW 640d Coupe
Discussion
toppstuff said:
Lovely car. I passengered in the old 635d for a 3 hour trip and it was lovely.
Mind you, the 640d is bloody expensive. It is a lot of money and I don't see the value considering the engine turns up all over the place in other ( cheaper) BMWs.
It would be easy to throw £70,000 at a new 640d. That a big debit card transfer. Maybe leasing one is the answer !
AT LAST!! Someone`s got to the crux of the problem here!!Mind you, the 640d is bloody expensive. It is a lot of money and I don't see the value considering the engine turns up all over the place in other ( cheaper) BMWs.
It would be easy to throw £70,000 at a new 640d. That a big debit card transfer. Maybe leasing one is the answer !
I drive an M6 cabrio, it drinks fuel at a truly alarming rate and we all know the range is shocking. Came across news of BMW`s 640D and thought what a great idea. I`m not anti-diesel and all that torque should make for a bit of fun I`m sure??
I went on BMW`s configurator and to get the car specced to anywhere near my M6 options-wise you are looking at £89,265. For this money, ermmm it still comes with a diesel engine.
This is more, I`m pretty sure, than the new M6 cabrio is going to be. And that doesn`t have a diesel engine, it has a much lauded (already) twin turbo V8 with quite the best gearbox on a BMW performance car ever.
Fun, for me, comes from a different set of budget figures in my head. A mode of transport (diesel) to me is not worth 89K and on this point I understand where Wheelman is coming from completely. The running costs are meagre in comparison really, it`s depreciation for one and the other for me is, can I ENJOY it?????? This opens the budget to sillier figures in my head which is why I love my M6 cab.
At £89k the 640d indeed makes no sense....but then no car that adds 50% to its price through option will? (what did you spend £30k on in the options list?).
The crux of the issue is that the 635d and now the 640d are an unmitigated success. Seemingly the best selling GT car over the last few years....undoubtably helped by the fact that the best selling variant (by far) burned oil not petrol.
The crux of the issue is that the 635d and now the 640d are an unmitigated success. Seemingly the best selling GT car over the last few years....undoubtably helped by the fact that the best selling variant (by far) burned oil not petrol.
Ramses said:
thewheelman said:
Ramses said:
thewheelman said:
Ramses said:
So......
Nothing can really compete with the 6-series in this smaller 'GT' market.
Of those that can't compete, no-one else had a diesel.
Of those that can't compete, some are developing a diesel.
Of those that DO have a diesel GT car, diesel's account for 92% of sales.
mmmmm..... wonder what conclusions we can draw. Anyone?
And how many 6 series do you see on the road? Nothing can really compete with the 6-series in this smaller 'GT' market.
Of those that can't compete, no-one else had a diesel.
Of those that can't compete, some are developing a diesel.
Of those that DO have a diesel GT car, diesel's account for 92% of sales.
mmmmm..... wonder what conclusions we can draw. Anyone?
So.....on that basis, they succeeded at something that doesn't sell all that well compared to large saloons that do the same, only better.
As for diesels accounting for 92% of sales, i think that figure is optimistic.
Aston Martin DB9 sales 2009 - just under 1500 (total AM sales just under 4500)
and once again....the 92% is quoted in the above article.
5848 global sales on 6 series last year. Ramses said:
At £89k the 640d indeed makes no sense....but then no car that adds 50% to its price through option will? (what did you spend £30k on in the options list?).
The crux of the issue is that the 635d and now the 640d are an unmitigated success. Seemingly the best selling GT car over the last few years....undoubtably helped by the fact that the best selling variant (by far) burned oil not petrol.
The crux of the issue is that the 635d and now the 640d are an unmitigated success. Seemingly the best selling GT car over the last few years....undoubtably helped by the fact that the best selling variant (by far) burned oil not petrol.
thewheelman said:
Ramses said:
thewheelman said:
Ramses said:
thewheelman said:
Ramses said:
So......
Nothing can really compete with the 6-series in this smaller 'GT' market.
Of those that can't compete, no-one else had a diesel.
Of those that can't compete, some are developing a diesel.
Of those that DO have a diesel GT car, diesel's account for 92% of sales.
mmmmm..... wonder what conclusions we can draw. Anyone?
And how many 6 series do you see on the road? Nothing can really compete with the 6-series in this smaller 'GT' market.
Of those that can't compete, no-one else had a diesel.
Of those that can't compete, some are developing a diesel.
Of those that DO have a diesel GT car, diesel's account for 92% of sales.
mmmmm..... wonder what conclusions we can draw. Anyone?
So.....on that basis, they succeeded at something that doesn't sell all that well compared to large saloons that do the same, only better.
As for diesels accounting for 92% of sales, i think that figure is optimistic.
Aston Martin DB9 sales 2009 - just under 1500 (total AM sales just under 4500)
and once again....the 92% is quoted in the above article.
5848 global sales on 6 series last year. And no - I just don't ignorantly jump on the 'Diesels are s
t' bandwagonRamses said:
At £89k the 640d indeed makes no sense....but then no car that adds 50% to its price through option will? (what did you spend £30k on in the options list?).
The crux of the issue is that the 635d and now the 640d are an unmitigated success. Seemingly the best selling GT car over the last few years....undoubtably helped by the fact that the best selling variant (by far) burned oil not petrol.
Price for the 640d M sport cabrio is £71,715, once you start loading it it`s surprisingly easy to get there and I`m talking things that care standard on an M car.The crux of the issue is that the 635d and now the 640d are an unmitigated success. Seemingly the best selling GT car over the last few years....undoubtably helped by the fact that the best selling variant (by far) burned oil not petrol.
thewheelman said:
Ramses said:
At £89k the 640d indeed makes no sense....but then no car that adds 50% to its price through option will? (what did you spend £30k on in the options list?).
The crux of the issue is that the 635d and now the 640d are an unmitigated success. Seemingly the best selling GT car over the last few years....undoubtably helped by the fact that the best selling variant (by far) burned oil not petrol.
The crux of the issue is that the 635d and now the 640d are an unmitigated success. Seemingly the best selling GT car over the last few years....undoubtably helped by the fact that the best selling variant (by far) burned oil not petrol.
I believe the appropriate term is 'Figures are Figures' "
"Ramses said:
thewheelman said:
Ramses said:
thewheelman said:
Ramses said:
thewheelman said:
Ramses said:
So......
Nothing can really compete with the 6-series in this smaller 'GT' market.
Of those that can't compete, no-one else had a diesel.
Of those that can't compete, some are developing a diesel.
Of those that DO have a diesel GT car, diesel's account for 92% of sales.
mmmmm..... wonder what conclusions we can draw. Anyone?
And how many 6 series do you see on the road? Nothing can really compete with the 6-series in this smaller 'GT' market.
Of those that can't compete, no-one else had a diesel.
Of those that can't compete, some are developing a diesel.
Of those that DO have a diesel GT car, diesel's account for 92% of sales.
mmmmm..... wonder what conclusions we can draw. Anyone?
So.....on that basis, they succeeded at something that doesn't sell all that well compared to large saloons that do the same, only better.
As for diesels accounting for 92% of sales, i think that figure is optimistic.
Aston Martin DB9 sales 2009 - just under 1500 (total AM sales just under 4500)
and once again....the 92% is quoted in the above article.
5848 global sales on 6 series last year. And no - I just don't ignorantly jump on the 'Diesels are s
t' bandwagont, learn to read! Wow, you really are uptight aren't you. jontysafe said:
Ramses said:
At £89k the 640d indeed makes no sense....but then no car that adds 50% to its price through option will? (what did you spend £30k on in the options list?).
The crux of the issue is that the 635d and now the 640d are an unmitigated success. Seemingly the best selling GT car over the last few years....undoubtably helped by the fact that the best selling variant (by far) burned oil not petrol.
Price for the 640d M sport cabrio is £71,715, once you start loading it it`s surprisingly easy to get there and I`m talking things that care standard on an M car.The crux of the issue is that the 635d and now the 640d are an unmitigated success. Seemingly the best selling GT car over the last few years....undoubtably helped by the fact that the best selling variant (by far) burned oil not petrol.
Ramses said:
thewheelman said:
Ramses said:
At £89k the 640d indeed makes no sense....but then no car that adds 50% to its price through option will? (what did you spend £30k on in the options list?).
The crux of the issue is that the 635d and now the 640d are an unmitigated success. Seemingly the best selling GT car over the last few years....undoubtably helped by the fact that the best selling variant (by far) burned oil not petrol.
The crux of the issue is that the 635d and now the 640d are an unmitigated success. Seemingly the best selling GT car over the last few years....undoubtably helped by the fact that the best selling variant (by far) burned oil not petrol.
I believe the appropriate term is 'Figures are Figures' "
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thewheelman said:
Ramses said:
thewheelman said:
Ramses said:
At £89k the 640d indeed makes no sense....but then no car that adds 50% to its price through option will? (what did you spend £30k on in the options list?).
The crux of the issue is that the 635d and now the 640d are an unmitigated success. Seemingly the best selling GT car over the last few years....undoubtably helped by the fact that the best selling variant (by far) burned oil not petrol.
The crux of the issue is that the 635d and now the 640d are an unmitigated success. Seemingly the best selling GT car over the last few years....undoubtably helped by the fact that the best selling variant (by far) burned oil not petrol.
I believe the appropriate term is 'Figures are Figures' "
"Perhaps also try either www.specsavers.co.uk or googling "Reading For Dummies".
Munich said:
thewheelman said:
Notice you failed to mention the 32.4% drop in sales of the 6 series last year 5848 global sales on 6 series last year.
That's a very actuate figure. Where did you get that from? Does that include both the E63 & E64? 5848 global sales on 6 series last year. thewheelman said:
fluffnik said:
I tend to do it once or twice a year...
Being able to drive to Malmö on a tank is most certainly a feature.
When i drive in Europe, i couldn't think of anything more boring than being stuck in any car for the entire journey. You may aswell get a flight over. I'm more than happy to make stops as part of my journey.Being able to drive to Malmö on a tank is most certainly a feature.
I find airports infinitely more boring than even a dull drive so I think I'll be sticking with the continent crushers.
I think I'll be having my highly developed diesel drivetrain in a double glazed ALPINA D5 Touring though.
fastgerman said:
Yes, I went this year - http://www.fastgerman.com/forum/?p=299
So the Corvette stopped the same amount as the Audi? Impressive ;-)
what about the other LMP1 cars that didn't run into any problems?? i know there isn't a great deal in it.... either way, i'm sure the other LMP1 cars wouldn't have won even if they could go a little longer on fuel So the Corvette stopped the same amount as the Audi? Impressive ;-)
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