RE: SOTW: Hyundai Coupe V6
Discussion
£495 2.0 anyone?
(albeit with less than a week's MOT, and probably a whole world of bork)
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2011...
(albeit with less than a week's MOT, and probably a whole world of bork)
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2011...
Toaster Pilot said:
£495 2.0 anyone?
(albeit with less than a week's MOT, and probably a whole world of bork)
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2011...
That generation coupe is really ugly though.(albeit with less than a week's MOT, and probably a whole world of bork)
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2011...
Ted Rolson said:
My old Calibra Turbo used to eat these things alive, why pay a bag of sand for a ugly korean car?
doesnt make sense the Calibra never broke down and was far better looker 4x4 albeit abit of a dodgy 4x4 but still, 6 gears too!
My old Merc wagon could of too i imagine.
Just a shame the Calibra looks horrendously dated, is prone to rot and has the dynamics of a jelly. They were pretty rapid though.doesnt make sense the Calibra never broke down and was far better looker 4x4 albeit abit of a dodgy 4x4 but still, 6 gears too!
My old Merc wagon could of too i imagine.
Since when was 'of' a verb?
Fair play the 4x4 decided to work when floored, diffs where s
t but the suspension on mine had some work done on it which made it snappy in corners and some 17s of another vauxhall still stonking performance 0-60 in around 6 ish seconds, steering gave up after crash landing 
But it looked the Dogs !
Black with black sport interior.
would have one over this lets have a go "Coupe".
t but the suspension on mine had some work done on it which made it snappy in corners and some 17s of another vauxhall still stonking performance 0-60 in around 6 ish seconds, steering gave up after crash landing But it looked the Dogs !
Black with black sport interior.
would have one over this lets have a go "Coupe".
Always liked the looks of these, Ferrari-esque looks for FIAT money, as others have said though: wrong wheel drive! (as was the Peugeot 406 coupe - what a car that could have been with rear wheel drive!).
To Me, the versions that came after this one were a bit too over-styled and too fussy in their details.
As for:
To Me, the versions that came after this one were a bit too over-styled and too fussy in their details.
As for:
Baryonyx said:
......Bland, boring and nasty. SOTW is supposed to be about blowing £1000 for fun!
To drive maybe (never driven one), but as a design: Bland?, a VW Golf, now that's bland, it's just a box on wheels, at least the Hyundai has some proper styling to it!.ChrisP T5 said:
Chaps, ..re rated BHP levels..?...as examples..(of similar ages - late 90's/early 00's...not meant as direct comparisons..).....
Audi 2.8 6 (whichever ones!) = 193BHP , same as the BM 2.8
...etc etc... in other words Hyundai, while not the most powerful, arent out the ballpark, in comparison to other normally aspirated, similar capacity engines...
Lets get this one straight: Both the Audi and the BMW 2.8 litre engines were strangled back down to @193 BHP to ensure they didn't fall into a higher tax bracket in Germany. Their true power outputs were actually somewhere @ 220BHP.Audi 2.8 6 (whichever ones!) = 193BHP , same as the BM 2.8
...etc etc... in other words Hyundai, while not the most powerful, arent out the ballpark, in comparison to other normally aspirated, similar capacity engines...
4rephill said:
Lets get this one straight: Both the Audi and the BMW 2.8 litre engines were strangled back down to @193 BHP to ensure they didn't fall into a higher tax bracket in Germany. Their true power outputs were actually somewhere @ 220BHP.
Very true! my mate had a 328 that had a bit more than 180-190 bhp and more torque too.same with my old C280 had much more power than it let on, however Hyunadai are probably over estimating there engines, or the fact they are that shoddly built (YES THEY ARE) they cannot make a decent amount of power per litre with something blowing up.
Mr2Mike said:
Just a shame the Calibra looks horrendously dated, is prone to rot and has the dynamics of a jelly. They were pretty rapid though.
Since when was 'of' a verb?
My parents had one of the very first Calibras back in 1991. Was never out the garage and the bottom end was going a few years later at only 30k. Shame as it was a head turner at the timeSince when was 'of' a verb?
The V6 engine is mounted longitudinally; unusual but I assume it uses one of the 4x4 gearboxes with no transfer case. That should make belt changes fairly straightforward. I don't think it's a complex lump either. Probably one OHC per bank and maybe even 12 valves. In fact that would explain the pathetic power output. It's barely more than an old fashioned Cologne V6 and that had pushrods and siamesed ports.
Anyhow it's somehow tempting. I would probably drive one. All Hyundais I've ever piloted seem to have mushy clutches. I found one had such a soft pedal it was hard to change gear smoothly. I am used to feeling the biting point and this had none. I wonder if the coupe is more aggressive.
Anyhow it's somehow tempting. I would probably drive one. All Hyundais I've ever piloted seem to have mushy clutches. I found one had such a soft pedal it was hard to change gear smoothly. I am used to feeling the biting point and this had none. I wonder if the coupe is more aggressive.
Great Shed! Currently drive a '98 2.0 Hyundai Coupe F2 as my daily hack, (the swoopy one with the "melted" bodywork and Lotus tweaked chassis) and tried one of these 2.7's a couple of years ago when someone I knew through work wanted to sell theirs... (when petrol first went above £1 a litre!) Compared to my Gen 1, the V6 felt heavy and certainly nowhere near as nimble in the twisties. (Not surprising really, as the old Gen 1 Coupes weigh only about the same as a current Mini).
The 2.7 is about 25% heavier than my old one (surprising really, as the 2.0 beta engine is mine is a cast iron block, whereas the V6 Delta unit is an all-alloy job). I suppose it's all down to the bigger shell and all the extra kit, safety stuff etc. The V6 is not so much of a sporty drive, more of a GT Coupe rather than a Sports Coupe.
In the end I didn't buy it 'cos of the fuel consumption concerns, (though I sort of wish I'd got it now, as I'm doing a lot less mileage these days).
What I loved about the 2.7 though was the engine noise, the Hyundai V6 is a truly great sounding motor. They're not putting out much power but they sound like they've got about 400Bhp! So they don't have much in the way of peak power, but the torque, the one I tried had 6 gears but it only really needed about 3. And in everyday use, a lot faster than the 2.0. Hyundai are always very conservative with the performance figures too.
Also as a lot of others have said, the build quality is superb. Hyundai are apparently the world's largest shipbuilder, and it seems they bring a lot of that to their car building ...the Coupe is really solid, built like an oil tanker! (Drinks like one too). I think they got such a bad rep in the 80's for the shoddy engineering on cars like the Pony and the Stellar, that when they were designing this generation they went too far in the other direction, and seemed to over-engineer everything. These things are built like tanks and practically never go wrong. I've had my old '98 Coupe about 8 years now and over 100K miles - and all I've ever had to change is a headlight bulb, oil changes, and some brake pads... it's even still on the original battery!
In the States I think the 2.7 has a 10-year Powertrain Warranty. Which means that if Pistonheads was US based, here we'd be looking at a SOTW still under its' Manufacturer Warranty...
The 2.7 is about 25% heavier than my old one (surprising really, as the 2.0 beta engine is mine is a cast iron block, whereas the V6 Delta unit is an all-alloy job). I suppose it's all down to the bigger shell and all the extra kit, safety stuff etc. The V6 is not so much of a sporty drive, more of a GT Coupe rather than a Sports Coupe.
In the end I didn't buy it 'cos of the fuel consumption concerns, (though I sort of wish I'd got it now, as I'm doing a lot less mileage these days).
What I loved about the 2.7 though was the engine noise, the Hyundai V6 is a truly great sounding motor. They're not putting out much power but they sound like they've got about 400Bhp! So they don't have much in the way of peak power, but the torque, the one I tried had 6 gears but it only really needed about 3. And in everyday use, a lot faster than the 2.0. Hyundai are always very conservative with the performance figures too.
Also as a lot of others have said, the build quality is superb. Hyundai are apparently the world's largest shipbuilder, and it seems they bring a lot of that to their car building
...the Coupe is really solid, built like an oil tanker! (Drinks like one too). I think they got such a bad rep in the 80's for the shoddy engineering on cars like the Pony and the Stellar, that when they were designing this generation they went too far in the other direction, and seemed to over-engineer everything. These things are built like tanks and practically never go wrong. I've had my old '98 Coupe about 8 years now and over 100K miles - and all I've ever had to change is a headlight bulb, oil changes, and some brake pads... it's even still on the original battery!In the States I think the 2.7 has a 10-year Powertrain Warranty. Which means that if Pistonheads was US based, here we'd be looking at a SOTW still under its' Manufacturer Warranty...
Futuramic said:
The V6 engine is mounted longitudinally; unusual but I assume it uses one of the 4x4 gearboxes with no transfer case. That should make belt changes fairly straightforward. I don't think it's a complex lump either. Probably one OHC per bank and maybe even 12 valves. In fact that would explain the pathetic power output. It's barely more than an old fashioned Cologne V6 and that had pushrods and siamesed ports.
Anyhow it's somehow tempting. I would probably drive one. All Hyundais I've ever piloted seem to have mushy clutches. I found one had such a soft pedal it was hard to change gear smoothly. I am used to feeling the biting point and this had none. I wonder if the coupe is more aggressive.
My wifes 2.0 SE has a ridiculously light clutch, and once you reach the biting point you have to release it quite a lot further to fully engage it. I find it makes smooth gearchanges difficult when you are used to driving something with a more normal clutch, but you do get used to it.Anyhow it's somehow tempting. I would probably drive one. All Hyundais I've ever piloted seem to have mushy clutches. I found one had such a soft pedal it was hard to change gear smoothly. I am used to feeling the biting point and this had none. I wonder if the coupe is more aggressive.
I just sold mine- never the slightest problem with it.
The low power is largely down to a very restrictive airbox- replace with a cone filter & you immediately free up 10-15 bhp and have a superb engine noise to go with it.
As for fuel economy I'd have to disagree; driving mostly long motorway runs at sensible speeds gave me an average 36.5mpg over the time I owned it. You may disbelieve this- I found it difficult to believe but it's true.
RH
The low power is largely down to a very restrictive airbox- replace with a cone filter & you immediately free up 10-15 bhp and have a superb engine noise to go with it.
As for fuel economy I'd have to disagree; driving mostly long motorway runs at sensible speeds gave me an average 36.5mpg over the time I owned it. You may disbelieve this- I found it difficult to believe but it's true.
RH
Mr2Mike said:
Futuramic said:
The V6 engine is mounted longitudinally; unusual but I assume it uses one of the 4x4 gearboxes with no transfer case. That should make belt changes fairly straightforward. I don't think it's a complex lump either. Probably one OHC per bank and maybe even 12 valves. In fact that would explain the pathetic power output. It's barely more than an old fashioned Cologne V6 and that had pushrods and siamesed ports.
Anyhow it's somehow tempting. I would probably drive one. All Hyundais I've ever piloted seem to have mushy clutches. I found one had such a soft pedal it was hard to change gear smoothly. I am used to feeling the biting point and this had none. I wonder if the coupe is more aggressive.
My wifes 2.0 SE has a ridiculously light clutch, and once you reach the biting point you have to release it quite a lot further to fully engage it. I find it makes smooth gearchanges difficult when you are used to driving something with a more normal clutch, but you do get used to it.Anyhow it's somehow tempting. I would probably drive one. All Hyundais I've ever piloted seem to have mushy clutches. I found one had such a soft pedal it was hard to change gear smoothly. I am used to feeling the biting point and this had none. I wonder if the coupe is more aggressive.
Ted Rolson said:
Very true! my mate had a 328 that had a bit more than 180-190 bhp and more torque too.
same with my old C280 had much more power than it let on, however Hyunadai are probably over estimating there engines, or the fact they are that shoddly built (YES THEY ARE) they cannot make a decent amount of power per litre with something blowing up.
Do you have any facts to back up your statement "they can't make a decent amount of power because they would blow up"? or any of your other statements for that matter because it all sounds like BS to me. same with my old C280 had much more power than it let on, however Hyunadai are probably over estimating there engines, or the fact they are that shoddly built (YES THEY ARE) they cannot make a decent amount of power per litre with something blowing up.
PS hearing something in a pub or your mate telling you doesn't make it a fact.
Ninjaboy said:
Ted Rolson said:
Very true! my mate had a 328 that had a bit more than 180-190 bhp and more torque too.
same with my old C280 had much more power than it let on, however Hyunadai are probably over estimating there engines, or the fact they are that shoddly built (YES THEY ARE) they cannot make a decent amount of power per litre with something blowing up.
Do you have any facts to back up your statement "they can't make a decent amount of power because they would blow up"? or any of your other statements for that matter because it all sounds like BS to me. same with my old C280 had much more power than it let on, however Hyunadai are probably over estimating there engines, or the fact they are that shoddly built (YES THEY ARE) they cannot make a decent amount of power per litre with something blowing up.
PS hearing something in a pub or your mate telling you doesn't make it a fact.
ks! (Some may have up to an extra 5 BHP over standard due to build differences in the engines but it's not going to be that noticeable! Most of the: "My car left the factory with a lot more power than BMW claimed" is wishful thinking by the owners).There's no way any of the German manufacturers would risk the sort of fines that would be implemented if they got caught cheating the system (and it wouldn't be that hard to catch them out!), and they wouldn't bother making different parts especially for Germany to restrict the power as it's not cost effective.
On the BMW 328i it's well known that the intake manifold has a small bore size in it's runners and that if you fit a modified manifold from the previous 325i and modify the throttle body slightly you can gain @ 27~37 BHP (and @ another 10 BHP with a remap).
Back on topic:
As to why the Hyundai's power output is so low for it's size as I have no idea, perhaps they were just too conservative in their tolerances or perhaps they made a miscalculation somewhere (I don't buy the "...they cannot make a decent amount of power per litre with something blowing up" theory though).
4rephill said:
Ninjaboy said:
Ted Rolson said:
Very true! my mate had a 328 that had a bit more than 180-190 bhp and more torque too.
same with my old C280 had much more power than it let on, however Hyunadai are probably over estimating there engines, or the fact they are that shoddly built (YES THEY ARE) they cannot make a decent amount of power per litre with something blowing up.
Do you have any facts to back up your statement "they can't make a decent amount of power because they would blow up"? or any of your other statements for that matter because it all sounds like BS to me. same with my old C280 had much more power than it let on, however Hyunadai are probably over estimating there engines, or the fact they are that shoddly built (YES THEY ARE) they cannot make a decent amount of power per litre with something blowing up.
PS hearing something in a pub or your mate telling you doesn't make it a fact.
ks! (Some may have up to an extra 5 BHP over standard due to build differences in the engines but it's not going to be that noticeable! Most of the: "My car left the factory with a lot more power than BMW claimed" is wishful thinking by the owners).There's no way any of the German manufacturers would risk the sort of fines that would be implemented if they got caught cheating the system (and it wouldn't be that hard to catch them out!), and they wouldn't bother making different parts especially for Germany to restrict the power as it's not cost effective.
On the BMW 328i it's well known that the intake manifold has a small bore size in it's runners and that if you fit a modified manifold from the previous 325i and modify the throttle body slightly you can gain @ 27~37 BHP (and @ another 10 BHP with a remap).
Back on topic:
As to why the Hyundai's power output is so low for it's size as I have no idea, perhaps they were just too conservative in their tolerances or perhaps they made a miscalculation somewhere (I don't buy the "...they cannot make a decent amount of power per litre with something blowing up" theory though).
(Although I wouldn't pick one. I have thought hard about the 406 coupe though). I went for an LPG converted E46 330i for my work car in the end. God I love slushboxes. Oh, I wouldn't recommend one of those either unless you like fixing oil leaks, coolant leaks, and vacuum leaks. Excellently designed to not break for roughly 5 years.
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