Vauxhall to follow Saab?
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spats said:
frosted said:
I wouldn't buy a vauxhal with your money let alone mine.
Sorry to single you out, but again with the hatred? Its really odd to have such hate for a brand of car, and wish them to disapear. I now deal with Cars all day, the new Focus is slow, boring and if I see another EM light on due to O2 sensor failure I will cry. Does that make all fords crap? nope nor do I hate them.Most brands have boring cars to fit an area where they want to sell. We have new Focus sat next to the equivilant Hyundia sat next to the Astra and rarely theres a Golf to put there too.
When having them all together I would honestly say none are bad. All of them boring, strangled by emmissions and heavy with saftey features. But if you were there comparing them all without predudice I doubt you could really hate the Astra anymore than the other souless euro boxes sat next to them.
spats said:
No, maybe its just that someone slating something without good reason gets up certain peoples noses?
Just like some one assuming (even in jest) that every VX owner lives in a council estate.
You could try it out for yourself, just insert your own favourite car brand where ever you see the word Vauxhall and see how you feel?
Of course that will only work if you are passionate about a brand and not just a souless eurobox fan whose only real involvement with cars is when they insert the fuel.
Didnt say that , they do have that stigma attached to them Though Just like some one assuming (even in jest) that every VX owner lives in a council estate.
You could try it out for yourself, just insert your own favourite car brand where ever you see the word Vauxhall and see how you feel?
Of course that will only work if you are passionate about a brand and not just a souless eurobox fan whose only real involvement with cars is when they insert the fuel.
frosted said:
Yeah yeah , why are vauxhals worth exactly f
k all after 5 years ? Are you insinuating that everyone is stupid and they buy into other manufacturers for no reason just badge ??
No, they are worth pretty much the same as other cars in the same sector. Compare them to Renaults/Fords etc. I think you under-estimate the allure of a German badge on a car. k all after 5 years ? Are you insinuating that everyone is stupid and they buy into other manufacturers for no reason just badge ??frosted said:
I'm not saying all astra's will fall apart on exactly the 900th day since its been on the road , on average they are sub standard, break often and expensive . Come to think of it I rather buy a Kia/Hyundai than a vauxhal. TRUE STORY
I'm not sure they are any more unreliable than most other manufacturers in the same sector.You do realise that my VX has been the most reliable car I've ever owned (failed to start once due to a knackered battery during it's 4 years and 40k miles it's done with me). Yet in the same time period, my friends Audi had several gearbox problems (never fixed by Audi), a colleagues Daimler destroyed its V8 and my fathers diesel Mazda suffered injector failure at <30k miles needing over £1k of repairs. Of course, these are all TRUE STORIES.
I can't work out if you are a poor troll, a blinkered idiot or Jeremy Clarkson using a pseudonym...
frosted said:
Didnt say that , they do have that stigma attached to them Though
no you didnt and I didnt say you did. Prof Prolapse did though.Thats like saying Skoda still has stigma attached to them, when in fact they are the same cars produced in factories built and operated by VW. Only blinkered morons still think Skodas are the same as the old stuff produced decades ago.
Every brand has some stereotypical nonsense attached to them, but unless you beleive all the fast Fords are soley owned by Essex wide boys, why believe all VX's are rubbish? When people with real life experiance of them can and will prove you wrong?
Ok you dont like the brand, but why waste your time regarding them and their owners with such hatred.
Anyway I doubt considering the following the brand has, the current new range of hot cars that are popular with a wide array of people (ok maybe not so many PH'ers
) I'm sure they wont go the same way as Saab. If they were in such a state why didnt they sell the rights to use their tech when the Chinese wanted Saab?Edited by spats on Friday 17th February 16:50
frosted said:
cant be doing that badly being the second biggest shifter of metal?
frosted said:
Probably company cars, the question is how many private buyers are shelling out for a new vx, wouldn't mind a rented vx but as a private buyer, forget it !
So I'm not MAKING UP THE FACT VAUXHALL ARE BOTTOM OF THE PACK THEN ?
You want to try a Renault before saying that Vauxhall are bottom of the pack, they have a build quality all of there own, now that is one make of car I have utter contempt for lol.So I'm not MAKING UP THE FACT VAUXHALL ARE BOTTOM OF THE PACK THEN ?
frosted said:
Probably company cars, the question is how many private buyers are shelling out for a new vx, wouldn't mind a rented vx but as a private buyer, forget it !
So I'm not MAKING UP THE FACT VAUXHALL ARE BOTTOM OF THE PACK THEN ?
Regardless of where they are they are still shifting metal. The top 4 in that list sell less COMBINED than VX do a year. So yes Honda, Mini, Skoda and Toyota are satisfing their small number of customers, but oddly they sell a tiny portion of what VX do. Its simple to see the more you sell, the easier it is to miss a customer complaint. The simple fact they sell so many cars consistantly really puts the JD survey into the bin as all it shows is the smallest metal shifters have the time to look after their customers, because if they loose one customer it makes a huge difference whereas VX have more customers than they can deal with clearly.So I'm not MAKING UP THE FACT VAUXHALL ARE BOTTOM OF THE PACK THEN ?
Not saying its a good place to be, but selling is a numbers game and VX arent doing badly.
Dear me, I can't see how a certain poster can have so much hate for Vauxhall. 
In our hands, Vauxhalls have been ultra reliable (bar one).
We have owned the following:
2x 1992 Vauxhall Carlton 2.0 CDX (Auto)
1x 2001 Vauxhall Omega 2.6 V6 CD (Auto)
1x 2001 Vauxhall Zafira 1.8 Elegance (Manual)*
1x 2003 Vauxhall Zafira 1.8 Elegance (Auto)
..plus 2 Mk1 Astra's/2 Vauxhall Cavaliers.
We have also specc'd a brand-new Zafira that we had in 2003. We had one of the first face-lifted examples in the country. Then the Carltons/Omega were my dad's daily's. All of them we got at around 70,000 and then sold at around 150,000+ two or three years later. No problems in that period.
* The worst example was the 2001 Vauxhall Zafira 1.8 Elegance (Manual) which we had to buy in a hurry (so no HPI check!
) and when everything was broken/not working we later found out that it had been a write-off (Cat D) and repaired. So it wasn't Vauxhalls fault.
So after that nightmare, we wanted a safe, boring daily and thought the Toyota would fit the bill. Wrong! It has been a very bad example with most things going wrong, recall after recall and as it stands now it still isn't 100% correct.
We are thinking about going back to what we know works and stick with Vauxhall.
In our hands, Vauxhalls have been ultra reliable (bar one).
We have owned the following:
2x 1992 Vauxhall Carlton 2.0 CDX (Auto)
1x 2001 Vauxhall Omega 2.6 V6 CD (Auto)
1x 2001 Vauxhall Zafira 1.8 Elegance (Manual)*
1x 2003 Vauxhall Zafira 1.8 Elegance (Auto)
..plus 2 Mk1 Astra's/2 Vauxhall Cavaliers.
We have also specc'd a brand-new Zafira that we had in 2003. We had one of the first face-lifted examples in the country. Then the Carltons/Omega were my dad's daily's. All of them we got at around 70,000 and then sold at around 150,000+ two or three years later. No problems in that period.
* The worst example was the 2001 Vauxhall Zafira 1.8 Elegance (Manual) which we had to buy in a hurry (so no HPI check!
) and when everything was broken/not working we later found out that it had been a write-off (Cat D) and repaired. So it wasn't Vauxhalls fault.So after that nightmare, we wanted a safe, boring daily and thought the Toyota would fit the bill. Wrong! It has been a very bad example with most things going wrong, recall after recall and as it stands now it still isn't 100% correct.
We are thinking about going back to what we know works and stick with Vauxhall.
spats said:
frosted said:
I wouldn't buy a vauxhal with your money let alone mine.
Sorry to single you out, but again with the hatred? Its really odd to have such hate for a brand of car, and wish them to disapear. I now deal with Cars all day, the new Focus is slow, boring and if I see another EM light on due to O2 sensor failure I will cry. Does that make all fords crap? nope nor do I hate them.Most brands have boring cars to fit an area where they want to sell. We have new Focus sat next to the equivilant Hyundia sat next to the Astra and rarely theres a Golf to put there too.
When having them all together I would honestly say none are bad. All of them boring, strangled by emmissions and heavy with saftey features. But if you were there comparing them all without predudice I doubt you could really hate the Astra anymore than the other souless euro boxes sat next to them.
spats said:
frosted said:
cant be doing that badly being the second biggest shifter of metal?
IDK if anyone has mentioned this yet but JLR at Halewood have just switched to 4 on, 4 off shift patterns as voted in (i assume) by the union so vx might just be going to do the same shift patterns?
I mean, slate the cars and discuss the overpriced corsa on TG last week all you want but it would make more sense to me if they just changed shift patterns to fall in line with european working hours....
I mean, slate the cars and discuss the overpriced corsa on TG last week all you want but it would make more sense to me if they just changed shift patterns to fall in line with european working hours....
Its 2012, no new mainstream cars are that bad anymore.
99% of cars sold are going to be bland appliances.
My money wouldn't be spent anywhere near a Vauxhall dealership, but as a tool to get one from a to b, I'm sure they're decent enough.
Maybe its the way some cars are driven that conveys the most vitrol? Look at me in my fast <insert brand here> sports spec power machine.
99% of cars sold are going to be bland appliances.
My money wouldn't be spent anywhere near a Vauxhall dealership, but as a tool to get one from a to b, I'm sure they're decent enough.
Maybe its the way some cars are driven that conveys the most vitrol? Look at me in my fast <insert brand here> sports spec power machine.
Fire99 said:
Or, and this may sound rather bizarre, that we love to slate our own. Rather than get behind our own products, a fair few seem to like taking any opportunity to run them down.
I agree, how many people view 90% of the population as moronic simpletons(i do)? So why should the cheap cars they build be any good?I drive a toyota built in the uk, but I wouldn't buy a vauxhall despite it being built here as well.
Subconsciously the brand perception does matter regardless of the end product.
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