RE: PH Fleet: Porsche Panamera Diesel
Discussion
The Pits said:
It's comments like this, tragic fans not content with porsche's unreasonable success but also relishing the demise of other car makers (usually British) that makes porsche ownership such a singularly unattractive club to be a part of. To me anyway.
And it's attitudes like yours that will seal the fate of makers such as Aston.Diversify the customer base, find a suitable partner, or die. It seems you prefer the latter, rather than have the brands you love chase " unreasonable success", whatever that means ....
The Pits said:
I have no issue with it being a diesel.
By the way, just for the internet bullies out there, I like the 917, 959, 968 CS, 928 and Carrera GT.
But, seriously, do you think the Panamera's good looking too Stuart?
I don't think it is pretty. At all. It pales into insignificance compared to how ugly I think the new Vanquish is though.By the way, just for the internet bullies out there, I like the 917, 959, 968 CS, 928 and Carrera GT.
But, seriously, do you think the Panamera's good looking too Stuart?
The Panamera is an excellent car. Excellent.
None of which by the way matters one jot. You've accused CH of "insidiously undermining the British car industry" and "taking a pop at the hand that feeds" because there are aspects of the XF meriting criticism.
That's quite the most laughably jingoistic piece of nonsense I think I've ever read on here, and it isn't the first time you've spouted such rubbish. You're a troll, and I have no time for trolls.
The Pits said:
toppstuff said:
You do realise that Aston is doomed ultimately, if they don't widen their range and do what Porsche have done?
Aston is the only remaining premium sporting car manufacturer that is trying to exist on selling 2 seaters and 2+2's.
Ferrari have Maserati as a sister co ( shortly to launch an SUV).
Jaguar have Land Rover.
The rest are VAG.
They're doomed I tell yee, doomed. Aston will probably be owned by TATA inside 5 years.
It's comments like this, tragic fans not content with porsche's unreasonable success but also relishing the demise of other car makers (usually British) that makes porsche ownership such a singularly unattractive club to be a part of. To me anyway.Aston is the only remaining premium sporting car manufacturer that is trying to exist on selling 2 seaters and 2+2's.
Ferrari have Maserati as a sister co ( shortly to launch an SUV).
Jaguar have Land Rover.
The rest are VAG.
They're doomed I tell yee, doomed. Aston will probably be owned by TATA inside 5 years.
The thing about Porsche, they have no problem sticking two fingers up to convention and public expectations, and instead just do what they need to do. And I like that attitude. Their cars are rarely pretty, but by god they're good. Substance over style every time.
And hats off to Mr H. for joining in with the debate
And hats off to Mr H. for joining in with the debate
We're at a point in time when 'performance' is becoming slightly academic.
-If one vehicle isn't 'the fastest' as measured by a particular yardstick, doesn't make it slow or lacking in 'performance'.
Remember too that the person holding the steering wheel is also an important part of the package.
-If one vehicle isn't 'the fastest' as measured by a particular yardstick, doesn't make it slow or lacking in 'performance'.
Remember too that the person holding the steering wheel is also an important part of the package.
MC Bodge said:
E38Ross said:
Agree.
Though why they couldn't make it at least 300bhp like the other audi or BMW rivals is beyond me.
It's a diesel arms race. In day-to-day driving, would it make much of a difference beyond the figures in the brochure?Though why they couldn't make it at least 300bhp like the other audi or BMW rivals is beyond me.
I'd say so yes. And even if it wouldn't make a difference day to day, if say it would on a regular basis.
Chris Harris said:
andyps said:
So the problem with the Jag was an iPhone which had nothing to do with Jaguar? Strange complaint. Maybe it will turn out there is a problem with Nike shoes which ruin the way the Porsche feels.
I am sure the Panamera is a very accomplished car and a great tourer, but the compromised looks would mean it very unlikely to be on my wish list at any time.
Good to know a petrolhead can get on with a diesel I guess, but would it be as satisfying if it was the only car you had? Chris is lucky enough to have a 599 and access to all sorts of other cars for the type of blast that only a petrol is likely to give. For many people it would be the only car they would drive a lot of the time - how would it be then? Genuinely interested to know the answer to that, and it is something which I often think when magazines discuss long term test cars (not that long term means long term in relation to many owners).
Probably best to read all the reports on the Jag before getting too pithy. There were many less than resolved aspects of the Jag - all of which were listed.I am sure the Panamera is a very accomplished car and a great tourer, but the compromised looks would mean it very unlikely to be on my wish list at any time.
Good to know a petrolhead can get on with a diesel I guess, but would it be as satisfying if it was the only car you had? Chris is lucky enough to have a 599 and access to all sorts of other cars for the type of blast that only a petrol is likely to give. For many people it would be the only car they would drive a lot of the time - how would it be then? Genuinely interested to know the answer to that, and it is something which I often think when magazines discuss long term test cars (not that long term means long term in relation to many owners).
Don't know my exact annual mileage, but it's in the 60-80k area, so I'll spend enough time in it.
If it was my only car, I'd be over the moon right now.
You haven't quite answered my other point, would you at some point during the 60k plus miles in a diesel not wish you had the ability for a high revs blat in a way only a petrol engine can? As in if you didn't have access to another car at all. I know I missed it when I had a diesel for a couple of years doing 30k plus miles.
andyps said:
I stand by my comment that it is wrong to criticise the car for the Apple product not working in it.
The man has an iphone. He says it works in the Porsche but not in the Jag. Seems a fair enough point to make. Lots of people have iphones (I don't), they might find CH's experience useful.Would the criticism be fair if (as it seems) Jag say the car should integrate with said iphone but can't make it do so?
Chris Harris said:
The Pits said:
I have no issue with it being a diesel.
By the way, just for the internet bullies out there, I like the 917, 959, 968 CS, 928 and Carrera GT.
But, seriously, do you think the Panamera's good looking too Stuart?
Justify your other bile then. Justify it now.By the way, just for the internet bullies out there, I like the 917, 959, 968 CS, 928 and Carrera GT.
But, seriously, do you think the Panamera's good looking too Stuart?
Chris Harris said:
toppstuff said:
I have another question for Chris Harris;
Did you think about getting the Panamera Hybrid? That would've been interesting , uncharted ground for you to write about.
The Diesel nails the HybridDid you think about getting the Panamera Hybrid? That would've been interesting , uncharted ground for you to write about.
'The Diesel nails the Hybrid' - DOES ANYONE REALLY CARE??!! APART FROM TOPPSTUFF, REALLY??
This is one of the most hideous monstrosities ever to be created - no question!
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