RE: BMW M6 Gran Coupe - official

[E38Ross]

Harji said:

It's too heavy.....

too heavy for what? to make that claim, i guess you must have driven it?

[Twin Turbo]

Video of it in action

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedd...

Gorgeous looking BMW

[Munich]

FWDRacer said:

They need to drop this engine/chassis set-up in the 5-Series GT abomination to make sure all bases are covered

Don't joke... I'm sure it has been considered!

[TangerinePool]

Would it be too much to consider a touring version too?

[kambites]

TangerinePool said:

Would it be too much to consider a touring version too?

Nope, but you can bet it'll be called a "shooting break".

[E38Ross]

kambites said:

TangerinePool said:

Would it be too much to consider a touring version too?

Nope, but you can bet it'll be called a "shooting break".

don't be daft Kambites. we all know it'll be called a "shooting brake" instead

[/pedant mode]

[kambites]

I thought the term was "shooting break", as in "shooting holiday", or possibly something to do with breaking in horses?

The spellings seem to be used pretty much interchangeably on the internet, anyway.

[TangerinePool]

and I believe 'break' is acceptable for it.

An estate that's not an estate of a saloon that's a coupe with four doors

[kambites]

"Shooting Brake" somehow looks dreadfully American, even if it's not.

[HighwayStar]

E38Ross said:

Harji said:

It's too heavy.....

too heavy for what? to make that claim, i guess you must have driven it?

Funny how the weight keeps getting brought up, it's a big car....
The RS6 was up for debate last week, 1900kg... across 6 pages hardly a mention. Mercs too, no feather weights either but doesn't seem to matter as long as there is thunder from within... Ahhh the intricacies and contradictions of PHers

[xRIEx]

kambites said:

I thought the term was "shooting break", as in "shooting holiday", or possibly something to do with breaking in horses?

The spellings seem to be used pretty much interchangeably on the internet, anyway.

It goes back to carriages, apparently both spellings are acceptable http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brake_(carriage)


As I understand it, a coupe is a vehicle with the rear seat compartment under a certain volume (although it's by no means a universal definition) - if that's the case with this, it's nothing but an M5 with less rear legroom and a £20K premium. I don't see the point.

[Guvernator]

xRIEx said:

kambites said:

I thought the term was "shooting break", as in "shooting holiday", or possibly something to do with breaking in horses?

The spellings seem to be used pretty much interchangeably on the internet, anyway.

It goes back to carriages, apparently both spellings are acceptable http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brake_(carriage)


As I understand it, a coupe is a vehicle with the rear seat compartment under a certain volume (although it's by no means a universal definition) - if that's the case with this, it's nothing but an M5 with less rear legroom and a £20K premium. I don't see the point.

I always understood coupe to mean a low slung, sleek two door car which might not be the technically correct definition but I'm pretty sure it's what the majority of people understand it as, therefore this new trend for manufacturers to call 4 door cars, tall short cars and hatchbacks, coupes in an effort to make them sound "cooler" totally baffles me but then I don't work in marketing so what do I know.

[E38Ross]

xRIEx said:

It goes back to carriages, apparently both spellings are acceptable http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brake_(carriage)


As I understand it, a coupe is a vehicle with the rear seat compartment under a certain volume (although it's by no means a universal definition) - if that's the case with this, it's nothing but an M5 with less rear legroom and a £20K premium. I don't see the point.

don't see the point?

- more rear leg room for adults (but smaller middle seat)
- different looks
- nicer interior
- rarer and doesn't just look like another 520d on the road

again, what is it with PH? if someone can't see "the point" of something, does it mean it shouldn't be made?

if it was PH, we'd all be driving a golf estate 1.4 because everything else is pointless as a golf is "all you need"

[xRIEx]

E38Ross said:

xRIEx said:

It goes back to carriages, apparently both spellings are acceptable http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brake_(carriage)


As I understand it, a coupe is a vehicle with the rear seat compartment under a certain volume (although it's by no means a universal definition) - if that's the case with this, it's nothing but an M5 with less rear legroom and a £20K premium. I don't see the point.

don't see the point?

- more rear leg room for adults (but smaller middle seat)
- different looks
- nicer interior
- rarer and doesn't just look like another 520d on the road

Did you read the whole paragraph? Why would a coupe have more legroom than a saloon? It's an inch shorter overall than the 5, and has a 4-inch shorter wheelbase, so how are they extracting extra legroom? Given the fact that it's also 3 inches lower overall with a coupe roofline, unless they've used TARDIS technology, I can't believe they've increased cabin space over the M5.

If the M6GC does have more rear space, then fair enough but it's more of an M6G, it's not a fking coupe.

Different looks? As learned from the Aston Martin school of automotive design?

Rarer? Who knows until they build it and sell it. I'm sure it will be rarer, but then again so would the Focus be if they charged an extra 25-30% over what it is now.

[xRIEx]

Guvernator said:

I always understood coupe to mean a low slung, sleek two door car which might not be the technically correct definition but I'm pretty sure it's what the majority of people understand it as...

I think that's accurate that most people understand that definition, but I remember reading that the CL was a 2 door saloon, due to the size of the rear space.

[5pen]

Well I think it looks good.

Not sure why there is confusion over the 'point' of it. Mercedes have shown that there is a market for a sleeker version of an E-Class/5-Series size car. BMW didn't have a M-B CLS competitor, but now they do. That, I would wager, is the point of it.

[Harji]

E38Ross said:

Harji said:

It's too heavy.....

too heavy for what? to make that claim, i guess you must have driven it?

"I have not driven therefore I have no opinion" is that you? With todays materials and ethos of efficiceny I though car weight should be coming down or stabalising, but BMW especially seem to not make much effort in this department (for there M cars anyway), sleek and swift is what I associate with BMW, and I have one, have owned 2, and driven about 4.

[Harji]

HighwayStar said:

E38Ross said:

Harji said:

It's too heavy.....

too heavy for what? to make that claim, i guess you must have driven it?

Funny how the weight keeps getting brought up, it's a big car....
The RS6 was up for debate last week, 1900kg... across 6 pages hardly a mention. Mercs too, no feather weights either but doesn't seem to matter as long as there is thunder from within... Ahhh the intricacies and contradictions of PHers

Isn't the RS6 four wheel drive? And Mercs don't really interest me , so you have your answer.

[E38Ross]

Harji said:

"I have not driven therefore I have no opinion" is that you? With todays materials and ethos of efficiceny I though car weight should be coming down or stabalising, but BMW especially seem to not make much effort in this department (for there M cars anyway), sleek and swift is what I associate with BMW, and I have one, have owned 2, and driven about 4.

that's not what i said, of course you can have an opinion without driving it. you said it's too heavy.......but, too heavy for what? track work? country road blasts? being a supremely comfortable GT car? what's the car for, and base it on its rivals for that. a bentley CGT weighs how much? is that "too heavy"?

is a rolls royce phantom too heavy?

[Harji]

E38Ross said:

that's not what i said, of course you can have an opinion without driving it. you said it's too heavy.......but, too heavy for what? track work? country road blasts? being a supremely comfortable GT car? what's the car for, and base it on its rivals for that. a bentley CGT weighs how much? is that "too heavy"?

is a rolls royce phantom too heavy?

Heavy for everyday use for the size that it is? Maybe it's just a personal think but I don't like the bulk and size of a lot of vehicles and in normal driving conditions it's quite noticeable to me, and also I feel it removes that involvement feeling when pressing on, you don't feel or notice the speed, which can be dangerous. But my main grudge is that there seems to be no effort by BMW to stop encroaching RR & Bentley weights.

Basically it's fat and ugly, and I wouldn't want one lurking outside my house.

And If I had a Phantom, I wouldn't be driving it.