RE: TVR sold to British buyer?
Discussion
Twincam16 said:
I reckon they'd be better off cosying up to Jaguar. If you think about it, market forces have led us to a top-of-the-range F-type that is only available with a manual gearbox, weighs about the same as a landfill site and is stuffed full of very un-sporty electronic toys.
I've no doubt the F-type will sell well, but I reckon there's still a market - not enormous, but enough to sustain small-scale production - of people who really wanted a 'return to the E-type' and feel let down by the F-type.
Use the F-type's 5-litre V8, optionally supercharged, mated to an old-school six-speed manual gearbox. Put it in a lightweight glassfibre-bodied car. Carry over some of the EU-required electronics from the F-type to save money, throw in a Jaguar mechanical warranty and allow it to be serviced in Jaguar dealerships, and add an interior that's stylish and comfortable, but not overloaded with electronic tat.
Where to start... Firstly there's nothing in it for Jaguar. Secondly the 5.0 V8 N/A is not going to be around next year. Thirdly JLR cannot get enough engines to put in their own cars, let alone make them available to some small producer. Fourthly why do you think anyone will be let down by the F-Type? It's a brilliant car.I've no doubt the F-type will sell well, but I reckon there's still a market - not enormous, but enough to sustain small-scale production - of people who really wanted a 'return to the E-type' and feel let down by the F-type.
Use the F-type's 5-litre V8, optionally supercharged, mated to an old-school six-speed manual gearbox. Put it in a lightweight glassfibre-bodied car. Carry over some of the EU-required electronics from the F-type to save money, throw in a Jaguar mechanical warranty and allow it to be serviced in Jaguar dealerships, and add an interior that's stylish and comfortable, but not overloaded with electronic tat.
Needs to be something with the Speed 6 engine in it, to give it some USP. I wouldn't buy a TVR with an LS engine in it, or any other lazy feeling V8. Sorry....
My prefered formula:
- Speed 6 engine, perhaps with more modern ECU to help with mpg and emissions, but not at the expense of the important stuff such as super high redline. Needs enough power, but don't go chasing silly bhp numbers that nobody can ever use on the road. 300 is plenty.
- convertible or targa body style, not too far away from the Griff as this is the design that appeals to most people, maybe with a few choice styling updates
- a wacky interior, the ultimate antidote to the dull cheap looking stuff coming out of the mainstream manufacturers (yes, even the German ones - go and check out a modern Audi A2...)
- enough basic safety kit not to put people off (that means TC, ABS and airbags)
- good enough handling, but don't add loads of cost to make it go faster round the ring. Just good enough to have fun on normal roads (with bumps in them) at vaguely reasonable speeds.
Not sure what the RRP would need to be for that to be profitable...... 50K?
Cheers,
Jerry
My prefered formula:
- Speed 6 engine, perhaps with more modern ECU to help with mpg and emissions, but not at the expense of the important stuff such as super high redline. Needs enough power, but don't go chasing silly bhp numbers that nobody can ever use on the road. 300 is plenty.
- convertible or targa body style, not too far away from the Griff as this is the design that appeals to most people, maybe with a few choice styling updates
- a wacky interior, the ultimate antidote to the dull cheap looking stuff coming out of the mainstream manufacturers (yes, even the German ones - go and check out a modern Audi A2...)
- enough basic safety kit not to put people off (that means TC, ABS and airbags)
- good enough handling, but don't add loads of cost to make it go faster round the ring. Just good enough to have fun on normal roads (with bumps in them) at vaguely reasonable speeds.
Not sure what the RRP would need to be for that to be profitable...... 50K?
Cheers,
Jerry
DonkeyApple said:
Well, I think those are the two core options. 
If the former then it does look like the new owner has two things going for him. Firstly he has a track record in business. And secondly it looks like he isn't part of the gang of TVR clingers on businesses that have been bickering with each other and bending over to be favour of the quarter of NS.
Now, as TVR is now a Southern company maybe all those Chim owners will finally get a TVR which has cup holders and heated seats.
On a serious note, if a car does arrive and it isn't a kit car then we all know it is going to have a high price point. As such, to attract enough people in that price bracket one wonders over a few specs. First of all I doubt an LS could be used. It would be a smart engineering choice but snobbery comes into play. So I reckon it'll be something like a Jag AJ.
It'll have to have modern electronics to run the engine and this means the way is paved for traction control and a few other modern bits and bobs that PW tried to fit but couldn't get to work for the price needed.
And then there is the gearbox. Manual seems on the surface to be obvious bit there has to be an argument for a nice paddle shift system.
Styling is a given. It does need to be a bit bonkers.
Handling? Has to surpass previous TVRs. TVR got gteT handling out of the Typhon by giving it a rigid floor and shell all bonded into the frame. Plus, redesigning the front geometry so the engine could sit lower but this was far too costly. I suspect you'd need to use a chassis of a different nature than Tivs of old. Especially as any new car will need to target the plus 500bhp range.
Or, they could fulfil the standard PH dream and build £100k cars and sell them for £25k with a £30k cash back deal.
I agree with most of that. Although why don't you think the LS could be used ? I would have thought it would be the obvious choice. Apart from being an American lump and upsetting a few purists. The cheapest engine to buy in terms of bang per buck (as far as I know), parts are abundant and I can't see emissions being much of an issue with it ?If the former then it does look like the new owner has two things going for him. Firstly he has a track record in business. And secondly it looks like he isn't part of the gang of TVR clingers on businesses that have been bickering with each other and bending over to be favour of the quarter of NS.
Now, as TVR is now a Southern company maybe all those Chim owners will finally get a TVR which has cup holders and heated seats.
On a serious note, if a car does arrive and it isn't a kit car then we all know it is going to have a high price point. As such, to attract enough people in that price bracket one wonders over a few specs. First of all I doubt an LS could be used. It would be a smart engineering choice but snobbery comes into play. So I reckon it'll be something like a Jag AJ.
It'll have to have modern electronics to run the engine and this means the way is paved for traction control and a few other modern bits and bobs that PW tried to fit but couldn't get to work for the price needed.
And then there is the gearbox. Manual seems on the surface to be obvious bit there has to be an argument for a nice paddle shift system.
Styling is a given. It does need to be a bit bonkers.
Handling? Has to surpass previous TVRs. TVR got gteT handling out of the Typhon by giving it a rigid floor and shell all bonded into the frame. Plus, redesigning the front geometry so the engine could sit lower but this was far too costly. I suspect you'd need to use a chassis of a different nature than Tivs of old. Especially as any new car will need to target the plus 500bhp range.
Or, they could fulfil the standard PH dream and build £100k cars and sell them for £25k with a £30k cash back deal.
either way I look forward to seeing how this pans out
Good luck to them !! jerrytlr said:
Needs to be something with the Speed 6 engine in it, to give it some USP. I wouldn't buy a TVR with an LS engine in it, or any other lazy feeling V8. Sorry....
My prefered formula:
- Speed 6 engine, perhaps with more modern ECU to help with mpg and emissions, but not at the expense of the important stuff such as super high redline. Needs enough power, but don't go chasing silly bhp numbers that nobody can ever use on the road. 300 is plenty.
- convertible or targa body style, not too far away from the Griff as this is the design that appeals to most people, maybe with a few choice styling updates
- a wacky interior, the ultimate antidote to the dull cheap looking stuff coming out of the mainstream manufacturers (yes, even the German ones - go and check out a modern Audi A2...)
- enough basic safety kit not to put people off (that means TC, ABS and airbags)
- good enough handling, but don't add loads of cost to make it go faster round the ring. Just good enough to have fun on normal roads (with bumps in them) at vaguely reasonable speeds.
Not sure what the RRP would need to be for that to be profitable...... 50K?
Cheers,
Jerry
Can someone at Bullfrog put Jerry in charge and get the ball rolling?My prefered formula:
- Speed 6 engine, perhaps with more modern ECU to help with mpg and emissions, but not at the expense of the important stuff such as super high redline. Needs enough power, but don't go chasing silly bhp numbers that nobody can ever use on the road. 300 is plenty.
- convertible or targa body style, not too far away from the Griff as this is the design that appeals to most people, maybe with a few choice styling updates
- a wacky interior, the ultimate antidote to the dull cheap looking stuff coming out of the mainstream manufacturers (yes, even the German ones - go and check out a modern Audi A2...)
- enough basic safety kit not to put people off (that means TC, ABS and airbags)
- good enough handling, but don't add loads of cost to make it go faster round the ring. Just good enough to have fun on normal roads (with bumps in them) at vaguely reasonable speeds.
Not sure what the RRP would need to be for that to be profitable...... 50K?
Cheers,
Jerry
Thanks,
John
balls-out said:
the titan looks great, but 70k for a car without an opening boot - limited market I'd say.
I often wonder if I shouldn't have sold my tuscan, but I wouldn't pay that (even if I had it)
Hi mate, yes, 70 grand for a car with no boot/tailgate is a lot of money, but the keywords are research and development. TVR took the M series and developed it into the Taimar. I often wonder if I shouldn't have sold my tuscan, but I wouldn't pay that (even if I had it)
I wonder if it would be possible to take a Sagaris body shell and reverse engineer it, If Les Edgar has the copyright to all things TVR then getting a chassis jig built using an existing Sag chassis shouldn't be to difficult. The same with the body tub, reverse engineer, take a mould of the tub then use the "mould" of the tub to make a production mould just as they did at Bristol Avenue. They must of used a full sized sculpture of whatever car they were designing then made mould's from that for the production line.
This fella must have some serious money behind him in order to purchase the copyrights to the TVR name. I just hope that it develops into something more than speculation.
I wait with anticipation, lets hope it doesn't go belly up.
Cheers Bud,
Ron McC
JonRB said:
The massive interest generated here on PH by this news suggests that the name, and image, still counts for a lot.
And although the moulds and jigs are gone, they can be reverse-engineered.
Yes... A few pages of indifferent replies from people who wouldn't or can't afford to buy a new TVR. There's the foundations of a business model, right there.And although the moulds and jigs are gone, they can be reverse-engineered.
How long have we been listening to this same nonsense now? Maybe a decade or so? There's a good reason why niche car-makers are not flourishing in huge numbers - add to that the (rightly or wrongly deserved) reputation of the brand, and I can't imagine a less appealing investment.
Edited by Dave200 on Friday 7th June 13:31
Garlick said:
Why the fascination with Jaguar?
They won't want to partner with anyone as they can afford to go it alone. If there is a market for a small sportster, a super hot F-Type or a £200k uber car they will make a car branded as Jaguar using JLR capital. Surely?
Keeping it British perhaps? Jaguar do have a history of partnering with other companies; admittedly quite a long time ago. The last time Jaguar built a super car it was in partnership with TWR. They won't want to partner with anyone as they can afford to go it alone. If there is a market for a small sportster, a super hot F-Type or a £200k uber car they will make a car branded as Jaguar using JLR capital. Surely?
plasticpig said:
Garlick said:
Why the fascination with Jaguar?
They won't want to partner with anyone as they can afford to go it alone. If there is a market for a small sportster, a super hot F-Type or a £200k uber car they will make a car branded as Jaguar using JLR capital. Surely?
Keeping it British perhaps? Jaguar do have a history of partnering with other companies; admittedly quite a long time ago. The last time Jaguar built a super car it was in partnership with TWR. They won't want to partner with anyone as they can afford to go it alone. If there is a market for a small sportster, a super hot F-Type or a £200k uber car they will make a car branded as Jaguar using JLR capital. Surely?
Never say never I guess, but with Jag going from strength to strength I wonder if they would see the value in working with another brand?
Folk have some weird ideas.
Look around you on ph. Who creates, always, always, the most comments? The most debate? The most passionate furore? Its TVR. Everytime, all the time. TVR's market did not move on, it never moved on, but other issues disguised that. TVR was never a 2,3,4,5000, etc a yr business, it was 500-1000. Those same ppl still exists and those that have passed out have been replaced by youngsters who get to learn and dream and pass into the fold. Think back to the impact of the Sagaris...
It blew the nuts off the journos and all the car mag front pages. It stamped, stormed and raged its way into the consciousness of males of every age. Do you want to know the impact of drivng a Sagaris back in 2005? People would Waynes World you. People would crowd round you parked up at petrol stations. People would hassle to get alongside you in traffic jams to try and talk to you. Women would follow you off the motorway to service stations to talk to you.
"But that was 8 yrs ago!!" you say. Yes, exactly and how old are those 13 yr old boys now? Bang into car buying age and dreaming of what "proper" car they will buy rather than the Fiesta they have to drive now. The Sagaris and Tuscan will be their dreams, just as the Griffith was to me when it was launched and I was a teenage. f
k it, a Griffith STILL holds that appeal over me and I still regret selling mine.
A new TVR just needs an outragreously swoopy styled body that puts everybody else to shame. Its the leather mini skirt wearing tart the chaps all leer at compared to the more moderately dressed lady they are with. A TVR is the mistress, not the wife and the same appeal still holds to the same genre of men. Why? Because it has done for the last 5000 yrs of civilisation.
So, take a chassis, either tubular of its own design again, simple and strong or as someone else said a pre-existing kit car chassis. Some great ones about. Put your stunning body on. Bring Dom back into the fold to provide your 4.0, 4.3 or 4.5lt SS engines and give room for Jason to provide a supercharged 4.3 and RG to provide the FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF heads as aftermarket upgrades. I predict about 1 months delay between someone buying a pukka TVR with Dom 4.5 and taking it to RG to finally get the joined up development that we have all been crying out for. fk the electronics, shove in another GORGEOUS interior that nobody else can live with, 6 speed manual box and get Quicky to put another stonker of an exhaust system on. Bang the PR out of the door that the car will be launched at Moving Motorshow at Goodwood FOS. Launch it in a blaze of birds n tits old school style, tell any Caroline Lucas wannabe to fk off and ride the testosterone chequebook. It WILL work for your debut model back and get your cash influx comming giving you chance to refine yourself a little.
I think Rene and Pascal will tell us our Dutch and Belgian friends are just as stupid as the British for such lunacy and will be offering deposits quite happily.
Get the styling right, a reliable powerful engine and at a price below £70k and they will sell in the 500-1000 units per yr range.
Look around you on ph. Who creates, always, always, the most comments? The most debate? The most passionate furore? Its TVR. Everytime, all the time. TVR's market did not move on, it never moved on, but other issues disguised that. TVR was never a 2,3,4,5000, etc a yr business, it was 500-1000. Those same ppl still exists and those that have passed out have been replaced by youngsters who get to learn and dream and pass into the fold. Think back to the impact of the Sagaris...
It blew the nuts off the journos and all the car mag front pages. It stamped, stormed and raged its way into the consciousness of males of every age. Do you want to know the impact of drivng a Sagaris back in 2005? People would Waynes World you. People would crowd round you parked up at petrol stations. People would hassle to get alongside you in traffic jams to try and talk to you. Women would follow you off the motorway to service stations to talk to you.
"But that was 8 yrs ago!!" you say. Yes, exactly and how old are those 13 yr old boys now? Bang into car buying age and dreaming of what "proper" car they will buy rather than the Fiesta they have to drive now. The Sagaris and Tuscan will be their dreams, just as the Griffith was to me when it was launched and I was a teenage. f
k it, a Griffith STILL holds that appeal over me and I still regret selling mine.A new TVR just needs an outragreously swoopy styled body that puts everybody else to shame. Its the leather mini skirt wearing tart the chaps all leer at compared to the more moderately dressed lady they are with. A TVR is the mistress, not the wife and the same appeal still holds to the same genre of men. Why? Because it has done for the last 5000 yrs of civilisation.
So, take a chassis, either tubular of its own design again, simple and strong or as someone else said a pre-existing kit car chassis. Some great ones about. Put your stunning body on. Bring Dom back into the fold to provide your 4.0, 4.3 or 4.5lt SS engines and give room for Jason to provide a supercharged 4.3 and RG to provide the FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF heads as aftermarket upgrades. I predict about 1 months delay between someone buying a pukka TVR with Dom 4.5 and taking it to RG to finally get the joined up development that we have all been crying out for. f
k the electronics, shove in another GORGEOUS interior that nobody else can live with, 6 speed manual box and get Quicky to put another stonker of an exhaust system on. Bang the PR out of the door that the car will be launched at Moving Motorshow at Goodwood FOS. Launch it in a blaze of birds n tits old school style, tell any Caroline Lucas wannabe to fk off and ride the testosterone chequebook. It WILL work for your debut model back and get your cash influx comming giving you chance to refine yourself a little.I think Rene and Pascal will tell us our Dutch and Belgian friends are just as stupid as the British for such lunacy and will be offering deposits quite happily.
Get the styling right, a reliable powerful engine and at a price below £70k and they will sell in the 500-1000 units per yr range.
Dave200 said:
Yes... A few pages of indifferent replies from people who wouldn't or can't afford to buy a new TVR. There's the foundations of a business model, right there.
As I said previously, I was making no comment on whether or not it was a viable business model. I was commenting on the allusion that the name 'TVR' was worthless. Given the 5 threads now running on it here, and the fact that PH, Autocar and Auto Express all rushed out scoop-style pieces on their websites the moment this became public knowledge, I will continue to maintain that the TVR brand is clearly worth something. Just google " Les Edgar TVR" and tell me that nobody is interested, Dave200.
Edited by JonRB on Friday 7th June 14:18
DJRC said:
Folk have some weird ideas.
Look around you on ph. Who creates, always, always, the most comments? The most debate? The most passionate furore? Its TVR. Everytime, all the time. TVR's market did not move on, it never moved on, but other issues disguised that. TVR was never a 2,3,4,5000, etc a yr business, it was 500-1000. Those same ppl still exists and those that have passed out have been replaced by youngsters who get to learn and dream and pass into the fold. Think back to the impact of the Sagaris...
It blew the nuts off the journos and all the car mag front pages. It stamped, stormed and raged its way into the consciousness of males of every age. Do you want to know the impact of drivng a Sagaris back in 2005? People would Waynes World you. People would crowd round you parked up at petrol stations. People would hassle to get alongside you in traffic jams to try and talk to you. Women would follow you off the motorway to service stations to talk to you.
"But that was 8 yrs ago!!" you say. Yes, exactly and how old are those 13 yr old boys now? Bang into car buying age and dreaming of what "proper" car they will buy rather than the Fiesta they have to drive now. The Sagaris and Tuscan will be their dreams, just as the Griffith was to me when it was launched and I was a teenage. fk it, a Griffith STILL holds that appeal over me and I still regret selling mine.
A new TVR just needs an outragreously swoopy styled body that puts everybody else to shame. Its the leather mini skirt wearing tart the chaps all leer at compared to the more moderately dressed lady they are with. A TVR is the mistress, not the wife and the same appeal still holds to the same genre of men. Why? Because it has done for the last 5000 yrs of civilisation.
So, take a chassis, either tubular of its own design again, simple and strong or as someone else said a pre-existing kit car chassis. Some great ones about. Put your stunning body on. Bring Dom back into the fold to provide your 4.0, 4.3 or 4.5lt SS engines and give room for Jason to provide a supercharged 4.3 and RG to provide the FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF heads as aftermarket upgrades. I predict about 1 months delay between someone buying a pukka TVR with Dom 4.5 and taking it to RG to finally get the joined up development that we have all been crying out for. fk the electronics, shove in another GORGEOUS interior that nobody else can live with, 6 speed manual box and get Quicky to put another stonker of an exhaust system on. Bang the PR out of the door that the car will be launched at Moving Motorshow at Goodwood FOS. Launch it in a blaze of birds n tits old school style, tell any Caroline Lucas wannabe to fk off and ride the testosterone chequebook. It WILL work for your debut model back and get your cash influx comming giving you chance to refine yourself a little.
I think Rene and Pascal will tell us our Dutch and Belgian friends are just as stupid as the British for such lunacy and will be offering deposits quite happily.
Get the styling right, a reliable powerful engine and at a price below £70k and they will sell in the 500-1000 units per yr range.
Look around you on ph. Who creates, always, always, the most comments? The most debate? The most passionate furore? Its TVR. Everytime, all the time. TVR's market did not move on, it never moved on, but other issues disguised that. TVR was never a 2,3,4,5000, etc a yr business, it was 500-1000. Those same ppl still exists and those that have passed out have been replaced by youngsters who get to learn and dream and pass into the fold. Think back to the impact of the Sagaris...
It blew the nuts off the journos and all the car mag front pages. It stamped, stormed and raged its way into the consciousness of males of every age. Do you want to know the impact of drivng a Sagaris back in 2005? People would Waynes World you. People would crowd round you parked up at petrol stations. People would hassle to get alongside you in traffic jams to try and talk to you. Women would follow you off the motorway to service stations to talk to you.
"But that was 8 yrs ago!!" you say. Yes, exactly and how old are those 13 yr old boys now? Bang into car buying age and dreaming of what "proper" car they will buy rather than the Fiesta they have to drive now. The Sagaris and Tuscan will be their dreams, just as the Griffith was to me when it was launched and I was a teenage. f
k it, a Griffith STILL holds that appeal over me and I still regret selling mine.A new TVR just needs an outragreously swoopy styled body that puts everybody else to shame. Its the leather mini skirt wearing tart the chaps all leer at compared to the more moderately dressed lady they are with. A TVR is the mistress, not the wife and the same appeal still holds to the same genre of men. Why? Because it has done for the last 5000 yrs of civilisation.
So, take a chassis, either tubular of its own design again, simple and strong or as someone else said a pre-existing kit car chassis. Some great ones about. Put your stunning body on. Bring Dom back into the fold to provide your 4.0, 4.3 or 4.5lt SS engines and give room for Jason to provide a supercharged 4.3 and RG to provide the FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF heads as aftermarket upgrades. I predict about 1 months delay between someone buying a pukka TVR with Dom 4.5 and taking it to RG to finally get the joined up development that we have all been crying out for. f
k the electronics, shove in another GORGEOUS interior that nobody else can live with, 6 speed manual box and get Quicky to put another stonker of an exhaust system on. Bang the PR out of the door that the car will be launched at Moving Motorshow at Goodwood FOS. Launch it in a blaze of birds n tits old school style, tell any Caroline Lucas wannabe to fk off and ride the testosterone chequebook. It WILL work for your debut model back and get your cash influx comming giving you chance to refine yourself a little.I think Rene and Pascal will tell us our Dutch and Belgian friends are just as stupid as the British for such lunacy and will be offering deposits quite happily.
Get the styling right, a reliable powerful engine and at a price below £70k and they will sell in the 500-1000 units per yr range.
DJRC said:
Folk have some weird ideas.
Look around you on ph. Who creates, always, always, the most comments? The most debate? The most passionate furore? Its TVR. Everytime, all the time. TVR's market did not move on, it never moved on, but other issues disguised that. TVR was never a 2,3,4,5000, etc a yr business, it was 500-1000. Those same ppl still exists and those that have passed out have been replaced by youngsters who get to learn and dream and pass into the fold. Think back to the impact of the Sagaris...
It blew the nuts off the journos and all the car mag front pages. It stamped, stormed and raged its way into the consciousness of males of every age. Do you want to know the impact of drivng a Sagaris back in 2005? People would Waynes World you. People would crowd round you parked up at petrol stations. People would hassle to get alongside you in traffic jams to try and talk to you. Women would follow you off the motorway to service stations to talk to you.
"But that was 8 yrs ago!!" you say. Yes, exactly and how old are those 13 yr old boys now? Bang into car buying age and dreaming of what "proper" car they will buy rather than the Fiesta they have to drive now. The Sagaris and Tuscan will be their dreams, just as the Griffith was to me when it was launched and I was a teenage. fk it, a Griffith STILL holds that appeal over me and I still regret selling mine.
A new TVR just needs an outragreously swoopy styled body that puts everybody else to shame. Its the leather mini skirt wearing tart the chaps all leer at compared to the more moderately dressed lady they are with. A TVR is the mistress, not the wife and the same appeal still holds to the same genre of men. Why? Because it has done for the last 5000 yrs of civilisation.
So, take a chassis, either tubular of its own design again, simple and strong or as someone else said a pre-existing kit car chassis. Some great ones about. Put your stunning body on. Bring Dom back into the fold to provide your 4.0, 4.3 or 4.5lt SS engines and give room for Jason to provide a supercharged 4.3 and RG to provide the FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF heads as aftermarket upgrades. I predict about 1 months delay between someone buying a pukka TVR with Dom 4.5 and taking it to RG to finally get the joined up development that we have all been crying out for. fk the electronics, shove in another GORGEOUS interior that nobody else can live with, 6 speed manual box and get Quicky to put another stonker of an exhaust system on. Bang the PR out of the door that the car will be launched at Moving Motorshow at Goodwood FOS. Launch it in a blaze of birds n tits old school style, tell any Caroline Lucas wannabe to fk off and ride the testosterone chequebook. It WILL work for your debut model back and get your cash influx comming giving you chance to refine yourself a little.
I think Rene and Pascal will tell us our Dutch and Belgian friends are just as stupid as the British for such lunacy and will be offering deposits quite happily.
Get the styling right, a reliable powerful engine and at a price below £70k and they will sell in the 500-1000 units per yr range.
Look around you on ph. Who creates, always, always, the most comments? The most debate? The most passionate furore? Its TVR. Everytime, all the time. TVR's market did not move on, it never moved on, but other issues disguised that. TVR was never a 2,3,4,5000, etc a yr business, it was 500-1000. Those same ppl still exists and those that have passed out have been replaced by youngsters who get to learn and dream and pass into the fold. Think back to the impact of the Sagaris...
It blew the nuts off the journos and all the car mag front pages. It stamped, stormed and raged its way into the consciousness of males of every age. Do you want to know the impact of drivng a Sagaris back in 2005? People would Waynes World you. People would crowd round you parked up at petrol stations. People would hassle to get alongside you in traffic jams to try and talk to you. Women would follow you off the motorway to service stations to talk to you.
"But that was 8 yrs ago!!" you say. Yes, exactly and how old are those 13 yr old boys now? Bang into car buying age and dreaming of what "proper" car they will buy rather than the Fiesta they have to drive now. The Sagaris and Tuscan will be their dreams, just as the Griffith was to me when it was launched and I was a teenage. f
k it, a Griffith STILL holds that appeal over me and I still regret selling mine.A new TVR just needs an outragreously swoopy styled body that puts everybody else to shame. Its the leather mini skirt wearing tart the chaps all leer at compared to the more moderately dressed lady they are with. A TVR is the mistress, not the wife and the same appeal still holds to the same genre of men. Why? Because it has done for the last 5000 yrs of civilisation.
So, take a chassis, either tubular of its own design again, simple and strong or as someone else said a pre-existing kit car chassis. Some great ones about. Put your stunning body on. Bring Dom back into the fold to provide your 4.0, 4.3 or 4.5lt SS engines and give room for Jason to provide a supercharged 4.3 and RG to provide the FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF heads as aftermarket upgrades. I predict about 1 months delay between someone buying a pukka TVR with Dom 4.5 and taking it to RG to finally get the joined up development that we have all been crying out for. f
k the electronics, shove in another GORGEOUS interior that nobody else can live with, 6 speed manual box and get Quicky to put another stonker of an exhaust system on. Bang the PR out of the door that the car will be launched at Moving Motorshow at Goodwood FOS. Launch it in a blaze of birds n tits old school style, tell any Caroline Lucas wannabe to fk off and ride the testosterone chequebook. It WILL work for your debut model back and get your cash influx comming giving you chance to refine yourself a little.I think Rene and Pascal will tell us our Dutch and Belgian friends are just as stupid as the British for such lunacy and will be offering deposits quite happily.
Get the styling right, a reliable powerful engine and at a price below £70k and they will sell in the 500-1000 units per yr range.
Hope it is true, - need to know a lot more. Presumably to resume car making - wonder what the new group's philosophy will be in terms of the type of sportscar for a market of say 2015 onwards ? It has above all to be something that will sell in sufficient numbers for the foreseeable future.
Wonder if someone well known might be behind it ?
Wonder if someone well known might be behind it ?
Edited by RTH on Friday 7th June 14:18
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