Just bought an M135i because Chris Harris said so...
Discussion
9mm said:
Wills2 said:
A bit of blurb about the porsche system, doesn't appear to be fake noise.
"Electronically synthesized noise is not a Porsche solution, so the engineers developed a new Sound Symposer that is standard on both versions of the car. An acoustic channel picks up intake vibrations between the throttle valve and air filter and a membrane incorporated in the channel reinforces the vibrations and transmits them as an engine sound into the cabin. The system is driver activated or deactivated via a “Sport” button that controls a valve ahead of the membrane.
The result is a direct acoustic link between the cabin occupants and the engine, providing optimal transmission of the load-dependent sounds. The sound of gearshifts can also be enhanced.
The Sound Symposer incorporates a tunable Helmholtz resonator to achieve an harmonious sound pattern, damping out unpleasant noise occurring at around 5000 rpm.
If the Sound Symposer is deactivated, an aperture in the air filter housing still allows the basic engine and exhaust tones to be heard—"because we don’t want it to sound boring!” explained Dr. Bernhard Pfäfflin, General Manager of the Noise and Vibration Department."
Is that sarcasm?"Electronically synthesized noise is not a Porsche solution, so the engineers developed a new Sound Symposer that is standard on both versions of the car. An acoustic channel picks up intake vibrations between the throttle valve and air filter and a membrane incorporated in the channel reinforces the vibrations and transmits them as an engine sound into the cabin. The system is driver activated or deactivated via a “Sport” button that controls a valve ahead of the membrane.
The result is a direct acoustic link between the cabin occupants and the engine, providing optimal transmission of the load-dependent sounds. The sound of gearshifts can also be enhanced.
The Sound Symposer incorporates a tunable Helmholtz resonator to achieve an harmonious sound pattern, damping out unpleasant noise occurring at around 5000 rpm.
If the Sound Symposer is deactivated, an aperture in the air filter housing still allows the basic engine and exhaust tones to be heard—"because we don’t want it to sound boring!” explained Dr. Bernhard Pfäfflin, General Manager of the Noise and Vibration Department."
I don't think I've ever done a trackday without several people commenting that the CSL sounds best car on track.
M135 fake or not is a great place to be both on track and on the road imo
White with black wheels looks quite cool also http://youtu.be/zFTx0ERA75s
M135 fake or not is a great place to be both on track and on the road imo
White with black wheels looks quite cool also http://youtu.be/zFTx0ERA75s
xRIEx said:
9mm said:
Wills2 said:
A bit of blurb about the porsche system, doesn't appear to be fake noise.
"Electronically synthesized noise is not a Porsche solution, so the engineers developed a new Sound Symposer that is standard on both versions of the car. An acoustic channel picks up intake vibrations between the throttle valve and air filter and a membrane incorporated in the channel reinforces the vibrations and transmits them as an engine sound into the cabin. The system is driver activated or deactivated via a “Sport” button that controls a valve ahead of the membrane.
The result is a direct acoustic link between the cabin occupants and the engine, providing optimal transmission of the load-dependent sounds. The sound of gearshifts can also be enhanced.
The Sound Symposer incorporates a tunable Helmholtz resonator to achieve an harmonious sound pattern, damping out unpleasant noise occurring at around 5000 rpm.
If the Sound Symposer is deactivated, an aperture in the air filter housing still allows the basic engine and exhaust tones to be heard—"because we don’t want it to sound boring!” explained Dr. Bernhard Pfäfflin, General Manager of the Noise and Vibration Department."
Is that sarcasm?"Electronically synthesized noise is not a Porsche solution, so the engineers developed a new Sound Symposer that is standard on both versions of the car. An acoustic channel picks up intake vibrations between the throttle valve and air filter and a membrane incorporated in the channel reinforces the vibrations and transmits them as an engine sound into the cabin. The system is driver activated or deactivated via a “Sport” button that controls a valve ahead of the membrane.
The result is a direct acoustic link between the cabin occupants and the engine, providing optimal transmission of the load-dependent sounds. The sound of gearshifts can also be enhanced.
The Sound Symposer incorporates a tunable Helmholtz resonator to achieve an harmonious sound pattern, damping out unpleasant noise occurring at around 5000 rpm.
If the Sound Symposer is deactivated, an aperture in the air filter housing still allows the basic engine and exhaust tones to be heard—"because we don’t want it to sound boring!” explained Dr. Bernhard Pfäfflin, General Manager of the Noise and Vibration Department."
Edited by TheInternet on Monday 29th July 22:46
Durzel said:
Can you buy different sound packs from BMW? Would've thought they'd be selling ones that make it sound like a WRC car popping and banging all over the place, or just go balls out and make it sound like an Williams F1 car. I guess with the Harman Kardon option your passengers can feel it as well!
Add me to the list of cringing petrolheads reading people on PH earnestly saying it's perfectly fine to have a completely synthesized engine sound played through speakers in the cabin. If that's progress or EU regs or whatever then f*** progress.
Add me to that list,and if forced to endure such crap my choice would be a 3 cyl diesel,with a misfire,a diesel knock and a death rattle.Add me to the list of cringing petrolheads reading people on PH earnestly saying it's perfectly fine to have a completely synthesized engine sound played through speakers in the cabin. If that's progress or EU regs or whatever then f*** progress.
In fact do me an album of mechanical maladies,from squeaky belt right up to diff rumble.
It`s nonsense the lot of it.
Id be more impressed if they built in an anti noise system into the cabin.
If I want to hear the sound of my engine,firstly I`d buy a car with an engine that is worth listening to and then open the window like we have been doing for about a hundred years!
Also If I were the OP I`d try being a bit more careful about what I was buying in the future too,it`s the BMW way of saying it sounds s
t.There are plenty of cars out there that manage both quiet and pleasant with just a normal exhaust.
Maybe there is a market for my quick zoom windscreen kits patented
,gives the appearance of sudden massive acceleration,works with turbo noise adapter and g-force simulator(available seperately),although unlike BMW I`ll be honest and admit that the g-force simulator is just some soft springs to mount the front seats on,TheInternet said:
xRIEx said:
9mm said:
Wills2 said:
A bit of blurb about the porsche system, doesn't appear to be fake noise.
"Electronically synthesized noise is not a Porsche solution, so the engineers developed a new Sound Symposer that is standard on both versions of the car. An acoustic channel picks up intake vibrations between the throttle valve and air filter and a membrane incorporated in the channel reinforces the vibrations and transmits them as an engine sound into the cabin. The system is driver activated or deactivated via a “Sport” button that controls a valve ahead of the membrane.
The result is a direct acoustic link between the cabin occupants and the engine, providing optimal transmission of the load-dependent sounds. The sound of gearshifts can also be enhanced.
The Sound Symposer incorporates a tunable Helmholtz resonator to achieve an harmonious sound pattern, damping out unpleasant noise occurring at around 5000 rpm.
If the Sound Symposer is deactivated, an aperture in the air filter housing still allows the basic engine and exhaust tones to be heard—"because we don’t want it to sound boring!” explained Dr. Bernhard Pfäfflin, General Manager of the Noise and Vibration Department."
Is that sarcasm?"Electronically synthesized noise is not a Porsche solution, so the engineers developed a new Sound Symposer that is standard on both versions of the car. An acoustic channel picks up intake vibrations between the throttle valve and air filter and a membrane incorporated in the channel reinforces the vibrations and transmits them as an engine sound into the cabin. The system is driver activated or deactivated via a “Sport” button that controls a valve ahead of the membrane.
The result is a direct acoustic link between the cabin occupants and the engine, providing optimal transmission of the load-dependent sounds. The sound of gearshifts can also be enhanced.
The Sound Symposer incorporates a tunable Helmholtz resonator to achieve an harmonious sound pattern, damping out unpleasant noise occurring at around 5000 rpm.
If the Sound Symposer is deactivated, an aperture in the air filter housing still allows the basic engine and exhaust tones to be heard—"because we don’t want it to sound boring!” explained Dr. Bernhard Pfäfflin, General Manager of the Noise and Vibration Department."
Edited by TheInternet on Monday 29th July 22:46
Running a tube from the engine bay into the cabin is in no way comparable to listening to made up engine noises through the speakers.
Porsche make it clear themselves in the first sentence "Electronically synthesized noise is not a Porsche solution" that they are not into that kind of nonsense (yet, hopefully never).
Fox- said:
I dont really get the fuss. I've driven a BMW with 'artificial sound' and it sounded awesome. I don't particularly care where the sound comes from provided it sounds good. I wouldnt have known it was 'fake' if I hadn't read it was fake on the internet.
I once ate burger that had horse in it, it tasted nice and wouldn't have known it was 'fake' beef if I had not read it on the internet.... not right though is it?Seriously, its a performance car, not GTA on in your playstation chair with a fake noise coming out of it - Its just hilarious, actually think about what your saying - your saying you like the fact the car played fake noises at you, you may as well just drive a Peugeot 107 with a giant engine speaker in the boot.
Rick1.8t said:
just hilarious, actually think about what your saying - your saying you like the fact the car played fake
noises at you, you may as well just drive a Peugeot 107 with a giant engine speaker in the boot.
It's only part of the engine noise though isn't it? The way the car accelerates, handles, the cabin, the controls e.t.c. are all very different from a Peugeot 107. The OP and several others don't really care how the sound is made, so continuous posts of ZOMG !!!!! it's not a real sound !!!! are pretty boring 8 pages later.noises at you, you may as well just drive a Peugeot 107 with a giant engine speaker in the boot.
Strawman said:
It's only part of the engine noise though isn't it? The way the car accelerates, handles, the cabin, the controls e.t.c. are all very different from a Peugeot 107. The OP and several others don't really care how the sound is made, so continuous posts of ZOMG !!!!! it's not a real sound !!!! are pretty boring 8 pages later.
If people don't care about it why are you and so many others justifying it being there, its because you just feel a little bit silly telling people your car makes 'vroom vroom' noises from the stereo!Rick1.8t said:
Strawman said:
It's only part of the engine noise though isn't it? The way the car accelerates, handles, the cabin, the controls e.t.c. are all very different from a Peugeot 107. The OP and several others don't really care how the sound is made, so continuous posts of ZOMG !!!!! it's not a real sound !!!! are pretty boring 8 pages later.
If people don't care about it why are you and so many others justifying it being there, its because you just feel a little bit silly telling people your car makes 'vroom vroom' noises from the stereo!
Rick1.8t said:
If people don't care about it why are you and so many others justifying it being there, its because you just feel a little bit silly telling people your car makes 'vroom vroom' noises from the stereo!
No I don't own one, I'm not justifying it being there either, I just don't really care, I'd be more interested in hearing more about the driving experience, did it live it up to his expectations, are there any points he'd disagree with Harris about. The noise it makes isn't natural "debate" is one dimensional and boring.Strawman said:
It's only part of the engine noise though isn't it? The way the car accelerates, handles, the cabin, the controls e.t.c. are all very different from a Peugeot 107. The OP and several others don't really care how the sound is made, so continuous posts of ZOMG !!!!! it's not a real sound !!!! are pretty boring 8 pages later.
I would say that by reading the quote below you will find the op does care, I'm sure the rest of the car is fantastic and I hope he is enjoying his new toy but IMHO engine noises played through the speakers is a total farce.Niffty951 said:
As the OP I must say I am offended by the fake sound thing.. I really didn't realise/it isn't nentioned anywhere obvious by bmw or in reviews/interviews with the bmw project leader.
Driving the car back in the rain with the windows up before I wrote that post I probably got the fullest effect of it
In my opinion I think a carefully marketed 'noise cancelling effect' would probably be a really good move in low model diesels. It would make it nicer to drive at no cost.. but on performance models, with proper engines WHY?
The 3.0 straight 6 Toyota supra never lacked in the sound department?!
I do have some comments to make though.
Obviously the title was tongue in cheek.
Yes I've owned many other M's and actually (ironically) I don't like the E46 csl because I think it sounds too digital. I think the single vanos 3.0 e36 was the best sounding of the n/a six cylinders. It just sounded more raw and angry, less controlled/metered.
The noise in the m135 cabin really is THAT good.. but finding out that it is enhanced does spoil the effect.
On ballance however I'm willing to forgive it as it's tight, fast, practical and comfortable. It may have top much grip and too little visibility but the suspension is the best I've experienced on anything since the era where they decided removing the suspension constitutes a sporty ride
p.s only just seen that last message, very informative thank you
Driving the car back in the rain with the windows up before I wrote that post I probably got the fullest effect of it
In my opinion I think a carefully marketed 'noise cancelling effect' would probably be a really good move in low model diesels. It would make it nicer to drive at no cost.. but on performance models, with proper engines WHY?
The 3.0 straight 6 Toyota supra never lacked in the sound department?!
I do have some comments to make though.
Obviously the title was tongue in cheek.
Yes I've owned many other M's and actually (ironically) I don't like the E46 csl because I think it sounds too digital. I think the single vanos 3.0 e36 was the best sounding of the n/a six cylinders. It just sounded more raw and angry, less controlled/metered.
The noise in the m135 cabin really is THAT good.. but finding out that it is enhanced does spoil the effect.
On ballance however I'm willing to forgive it as it's tight, fast, practical and comfortable. It may have top much grip and too little visibility but the suspension is the best I've experienced on anything since the era where they decided removing the suspension constitutes a sporty ride
p.s only just seen that last message, very informative thank you
I also did this when I ordered back in November and took delivery in February.
I'd never been in one, never even seen one but shelled out the deposit and signed on the dotted line without a second thought.
This was partly because BMW had none for me to test. Sometimes you have to take the risk though and my god it paid off.
I'd never been in one, never even seen one but shelled out the deposit and signed on the dotted line without a second thought.
This was partly because BMW had none for me to test. Sometimes you have to take the risk though and my god it paid off.
Speed_Demon said:
EddieFelson said:
Personally I like a quiet car and so do people who live, work and walk on or near roads. So I don't know what all the fuss is about. Loud car exhausts are really a poseurs choice IMHO. The intellectual equivalent of leaning out of the window and shouting - brumm brumm. The true engineering noise of a well designed engine is far more appealing. Fully realise I am in the minority though on this forum.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff