RE: Golf R Evo on the way
Discussion
Crafty_ said:
But there is no middle ground at all ?
For example was an E46 M3 a "winged up, spoilered car with dark glass and a small engine" version of this ?
Of course not.
But when a uber hot hatch costs 3 times the cost of the base model and basically is the same imho its an issue.
Correct. The E46 M3 had massive flared arches, big mouth on the bumper, huge polished wheels and a classy rear end. Thats just the looks. It of course the different running gear. For example was an E46 M3 a "winged up, spoilered car with dark glass and a small engine" version of this ?
Of course not.
But when a uber hot hatch costs 3 times the cost of the base model and basically is the same imho its an issue.
The golf however has many variants, all based round a 2.0L engine. Then as they go along. the individual models are created by adding some minor detals. Eg. Adding piano black trim, add a turbo, add a polished variant of the same designed wheels off a lower spec golf, adding a bloody cupholder, adding 1 exhaust, then adding two more. And the list goes on.
Its just like this, VW made the mk4 Golf and since then, the general public eye can see no wrong in VW. They could genuinely deliver faeces to someones front door, and the public would still accept it at "sheer quality" and "reliable", because they all got sucked in to the mundaneness of the "peoples car". Hitler started the brainwashing, the modern media finished, when the time was right!!
Good morning chaps and chapesses.
I personally find the idea of this car very appealing. Limited numbers would be essential, I think. I personally would still struggle to get excited by a 2.0 4-pot, but let's wait and see. Cheque book is on the coffee table
Incidentally, I haven't read much of this thread, but I'm going to presume that the internet has already concluded that this car looks awful, is too heavy, understeers, and that Volkswagen don't know their own market.
I personally find the idea of this car very appealing. Limited numbers would be essential, I think. I personally would still struggle to get excited by a 2.0 4-pot, but let's wait and see. Cheque book is on the coffee table
Incidentally, I haven't read much of this thread, but I'm going to presume that the internet has already concluded that this car looks awful, is too heavy, understeers, and that Volkswagen don't know their own market.
Tobamory said:
the problem...
For 30k+ id like a car that's special and unique...
Lease4less and Bluechille both have them for sub 300 a month...
spewing off the production Line, there will be quite a few about
I feel the same way. Yes they have headline large numbers. But to me they are just over priced, lardy, common rep mobiles. This is coming from someone who has owned two S3 and an R32. Too common, too dull in the corners. Add in the modern MENTAL prices and you get this from me... For 30k+ id like a car that's special and unique...
Lease4less and Bluechille both have them for sub 300 a month...
spewing off the production Line, there will be quite a few about
Half the power and half the weight will be 100 times more fun.
Escort Si-130 said:
Of course he has, after all he is a keyboard driver.
More to the point has everyone else driven one and know its such a wonderful car that it deserves the praise its getting ? TimS2000 said:
AFC1886 said:
So, so dull....
So you've driven one already then? Look at the previous S3, lots of hype but in all honesty it was a bit boring and didn't get good reviews.
Crafty_ said:
Look at the previous S3, lots of hype but in all honesty it was a bit boring and didn't get good reviews.
The original mk1 S3 was better fun as it had sharper steering. But of course it only had 225bhp compared to all the modern straight line motorway specials. Numbers are the badge all that matter to most. So I am sure they will sell by the ton no matter how it drives.MintyChris said:
To be fair the Current GTI is widely regarded as a fine handling vehicle. I suspect slapping a heavy 3.0 upfront wont help this. Also the AWD system is really far from primitive, I don't understand the current negativity towards it. Back in its mk1 guise yes it was basic but we are up to atleast the 5th gen haldex unit and it is found in other cars such as the Veyron and Aventador. Its actually very effective these days.
I doubt wed see a lack of seats but wouldn't surprise me if they splashed some carbon about the place.
I like the idea of Audi and VW using different engines although Id guess that most would prefer Audi's 2.5 5 cylinder to VW's 2.0 4 cylinder.
Well no, keep the 4 cylinder in the GTI-R add a bit of power and chop off the weight, more aggressive suspension set up etc.I doubt wed see a lack of seats but wouldn't surprise me if they splashed some carbon about the place.
I like the idea of Audi and VW using different engines although Id guess that most would prefer Audi's 2.5 5 cylinder to VW's 2.0 4 cylinder.
hondansx said:
It's funny, everyone on PH believes they are Chris Harris, yet the only time i've witnessed someone indulge in oversteer in public ended up with the car perched on top of a roundabout with a broken wheel...
Barely any modern cars are involving; they lack steering feel and have so much grip that you will never experience the on-edge characteristics on the road. All you're really doing when buying your 'driver's choice' BMW is saying "oh, i COULD drift this - WHENEVER i like - but not now - but i COULD!!
Back in the real world, my car has to do all the mundane things most of the time, and excite me in short doses. My Golf R may be not driving nirvana, but it's sheer breathtaking ground-covering ability is impressive. This ability is - dare i say it - fun! For the majority - who aren't Chris Harris - this means you can drive fast, safely and enjoy yourself.
Personally i like the sound of an even more powerful, lighter version of what i've got. I think the hurdle people need to get over is stop judging cars like this as a 'hot hatch'. This isn't something to compare with a Peugeot 306 GTI - it is car that either ticks your boxes, or doesn't. Name how many NEW cars that:
- Can be specced with things like heated seats, reversing camera etc.
- Will do 0-60 in the 4s
- Get over 30mpg
- Can seat 5 and is genuinely practical
- Won't make you look like a tit driving it
- Get you around in all weather conditions
Pretty good package for £40-45k, i reckon.
It's not about oversteer. Golf R is boring to drive and with speed limits a Golf 1.4 will cover ground as fast as the R.Barely any modern cars are involving; they lack steering feel and have so much grip that you will never experience the on-edge characteristics on the road. All you're really doing when buying your 'driver's choice' BMW is saying "oh, i COULD drift this - WHENEVER i like - but not now - but i COULD!!
Back in the real world, my car has to do all the mundane things most of the time, and excite me in short doses. My Golf R may be not driving nirvana, but it's sheer breathtaking ground-covering ability is impressive. This ability is - dare i say it - fun! For the majority - who aren't Chris Harris - this means you can drive fast, safely and enjoy yourself.
Personally i like the sound of an even more powerful, lighter version of what i've got. I think the hurdle people need to get over is stop judging cars like this as a 'hot hatch'. This isn't something to compare with a Peugeot 306 GTI - it is car that either ticks your boxes, or doesn't. Name how many NEW cars that:
- Can be specced with things like heated seats, reversing camera etc.
- Will do 0-60 in the 4s
- Get over 30mpg
- Can seat 5 and is genuinely practical
- Won't make you look like a tit driving it
- Get you around in all weather conditions
Pretty good package for £40-45k, i reckon.
Crafty_ said:
I don't think that will happen, everyone said that they'd have to go 4wd with the last one to be ahead of all the rest and they went 2wd.
Anyway, here's the problem with the golf.
£16k S model, available with an earth shattering 1.2 petrol engine
£30k Golf R
Swap the wheels and you'll be hard pressed to tell if one drove past.
I don't understand what VW are doing if this R Evo is released, where does it leave Audi and who, seriously is going to spend £40k on a Golf ?
It is interesting, whenever Vauxhall or SEAT release a car all the replies are "£xxk for that? madness" and so on. And here we have whats likely to be a 35-40k car thats not different to Ethel's run about she goes to the shops in and its fine ?
I suppose I'm a bit peed off really -
This is a car that should appeal to me - out of my price range so is something I should aspire to owning but it does nothing for me at all. Like just about everything else out there it doesn't push my buttons.
You are right but most people have not really driven any interesting cars to compare so a Golf GTI is a fun to drive car for them. To be honest I envy them because to a person who knows his cars all modern cars are boring and crap to drive.Anyway, here's the problem with the golf.
£16k S model, available with an earth shattering 1.2 petrol engine
£30k Golf R
Swap the wheels and you'll be hard pressed to tell if one drove past.
I don't understand what VW are doing if this R Evo is released, where does it leave Audi and who, seriously is going to spend £40k on a Golf ?
It is interesting, whenever Vauxhall or SEAT release a car all the replies are "£xxk for that? madness" and so on. And here we have whats likely to be a 35-40k car thats not different to Ethel's run about she goes to the shops in and its fine ?
I suppose I'm a bit peed off really -
This is a car that should appeal to me - out of my price range so is something I should aspire to owning but it does nothing for me at all. Like just about everything else out there it doesn't push my buttons.
Crafty_ said:
Understated, I can agree with but identical ? not so sure on that. If everyone wants a "factory sleeper" why don't Audi sell a fabia with a 300hp engine and an Audi badge in the grille ? surely that'd be the ultimate in understatement ? Because it wouldn't sell. People do like their cars to be different and use them as a status symbol to show wealth.
The nearly identical problem is surely a product of normal buyers wanting a "performance" look so big wheels, colour coded bumps, diffusers, wide arches have all become standard features or able to added at the tick of an option pack. I do actually partially agree with you that the performance model should be less sleeper particularly in the case of the Golf.
BMW used to have to flare the arches out on M3 to fit the performance wheels now they'll fit fine on a standard 316d. VW have the exact same situation doris' 1.2 Golf can take the exact 18" or 19" wheel available on a R should doris want to fit such a wheel.
Residuals on previous gen R's have been strong based on buyer demand even for mk4 which wasn't a particularly good example so I don't see why the new one and any evo version will not also have strong residuals.
It should look and sound bat s
t. When you're getting to these kind of power figures you should be buying something that looks a bit like the vw wrc car. Fair enough a 200bhp gti being low key - but with double that power it should be all booming exhausts, hissing turbos, stupid wheel arches and huge wings. Massive "turbo" badging as well please!
t. When you're getting to these kind of power figures you should be buying something that looks a bit like the vw wrc car. Fair enough a 200bhp gti being low key - but with double that power it should be all booming exhausts, hissing turbos, stupid wheel arches and huge wings. Massive "turbo" badging as well please!Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff