RE: Chris Harris video: F-Type Coupe

[unrepentant]

kambites said:

unrepentant said:

Not with that engine. 4 banger maybe..

I didn't know there was a four-pot version?

My guess is that the two V6s will, at some point, get manuals. I doubt the V8 ever will.

I doubt it. I'm assuming the 4 cyl engine will eventually find it's way into the F-Type with 300 BHP or so and that will be the one to get a manual.

[chelme]

Strep said:

I'll probably get shot for this, but there are two things about the car that others see as its biggest assets, that I don't like.

First the looks. When I look at it from the sides or the rear, I think 'What a gorgeous car, esp. its 'bottom' looks great.' But when I look at it from the front, I'm not impressed. For me the front could also be the front of the newest Mazda. Therefore I don't think it is going to be a classic.

The second thing everybody likes is the noise. And sure, that sharp crackling noise sounds great, but it does it too often and I'm sure it would get annoying very quickly. It's a bit too artificial. Of course this is not a huge problem, another exhaust would 'cure' it.

Don't get me wrong here, I love this car, but with these type of cars you look at the details and you split hairs. It is like with Aston Martins, most af them are great, but I wouldn't want one for one silly reason:

I couldn't live with what it tells you everytime you start it up: Power, Beauty, Soul. I would have to put a sticker on the textscreen and that would completely ruin the interior. ;-)

Anyway, great to see Jaguar making these cars and also great that they are a real alternative to the 911's. Choice is good. :-)

Not really. Although I disagree with you on the looks - the front still looks way better than any Mazda and the DLR lights actually help the looks IMHO - I agree that the crackles and pops on the overrun sound a little artificial on the Jag.

I'd be interested to know what is causing them though.

With carburetor fed cars, its a question of how lean the mixture is. If its lean, then the petrol sprinkled on the exhaust manifolds explodes creating an awesome if irregular crackle and pop on the overrun, and/or in between upshifts. As an example of this we saw the Ferrari 250 Breadvan published here recently. Its such an evocative sound. My Alfa does it on the overrun, whilst the modern Alfa 8C exhibits this in between upshifts.

[oldtimer2]

A better review than usual - better in the sense it was not just about smoking tyres but real world driving on roads too - which will be 99.9% of their actual use in the hands of owners. Time alone will tell if Jaguar have judged their intended market accurately (ie high income/net worth buyers who not the shrinking violet types). My guess is that they have. But to keep the momentum going I believe they will need to fit their new 4 cylinder engine when it comes on stream. That would really widen the market for them and help get their assembly line running at full tilt.

My neighbour, a long time XKR fan, test drove the convertible, liked it apart from the harder ride and the shortage of boot space. He bought another new XK coupe instead as the more comfortable, practical alternative for his purposes. The F-Type coupe`s bigger boot would answer his storage problem but I suspect the harder ride would remain a problem.

[Wills2]

smilo996 said:

Has any volume manufacturer, like Porsche are, ever tried to take on the 911?

Always seems to me the 911's strength is that it has the advantages of being manufactured in the stable of a volume car manufacturer but designed and executed by a sports car maker.

Part of the reason it is popular, until now, where the fact it is owned by VW is starting to work against it.

You need to research the ownership of VAG and Porsche's stake in it and who runs VAG and their connections to Porsche I.e. part of the Porsche family.

So the 911's strength is that it has the advantages of being manufactured in the stable of a volume car manufacturer but designed and executed by a sports car maker? You then go on to state that being owned by VW (volume manufacturer) works against it, contradicting the preceding sentence.

Sorry but you do spout some guff....

[Contigo]

Nice ass but not not as nice as the 3200 in my biased opinion!

[chelme]

Contigo said:

Nice ass but not not as nice as the 3200 in my biased opinion!

Indeed. Whats the 3200 like to drive btw? I am thinking of getting one of these -looking more like a Grandsport at the mo, but I'd be interested to know what you think of the 3200.

[Carl_Docklands]

martin elaman said:

CJP80 said:

I'm waiting for this press release:

"Porsche has now applied the steering software from the latest GT3 model to the rest of the Porsche range".

At which point, the motoring press will go all gooey and back to their 911 worship.

At its launch, and as well after launch in several tests, Chris himself said the new 991/911 was great in almost every way. And now he says its a bit "weak now". This is not good journalism, its more like the feeling of the moment. Chris takes advantage of the fact that the audience doesn't remember one review from another, I just wonder if he actually knows that... the 911 is weak now, ok Chris, go back to the wide smiles and wide slides please- that is what your great at. m

As someone who watches all of his videos, alot of water has gone under the bridge in the 3 years the 991 was released. It has now been super-seeded by a very fine Jaguar coupe.

In addition to that, the subsequent 991 releases have been a bit underwhelming and the GT3 launch has been a disaster.

So yeah, having a Jaguar bettering a 991 in many departments does make the 911 look a bit weak, it is not supposed to be like this, Jaguar have torn up the script.

This could be the 911 Carrera's GT-R moment, a time where Porsche throw the book at the 911 Carrera and sort out all of its shortcomings due to a new competitor.

A kick-up the backside is what Porsche needed with the 991, it will have focused them for the Generation 2 991 which should be breaking cover in the dying days of 2014. What is worrying as a Porsche fan, is that Porsche do not usually perform significant design surgery to their Gen 2 cars, but the 991 really does need it.

Edited by Carl_Docklands on Thursday 27th March 20:33

[Contigo]

chelme said:

Indeed. Whats the 3200 like to drive btw? I am thinking of getting one of these -looking more like a Grandsport at the mo, but I'd be interested to know what you think of the 3200.

Honestly love it, never had a car that is so involving and just addictive. I should really do a running report on it as I have spent alot of time fettling it up to well over 400hp.

Edited by Contigo on Thursday 27th March 20:34

[unrepentant]

Contigo said:

Nice ass but not not as nice as the 3200 in my biased opinion!

I take it that's a joke? The 3200 ass is not attractive IMHO.

[Mezzanine]

ILoveMondeo said:

cayman-black said:

Its a GT car not a GT3.

There's a thought... wonder if there's a lighter more track focused special edition in the works?

I would imagine that is almost a certainty.

And if not, you can always use their ETO department to make you a super light edition.

I would presume we will see a GT3 version of the F-Type too at some point.

[martin elaman]

Carl_Docklands said:

As someone who watches all of his videos, alot of water has gone under the bridge in the 3 years the 991 was released. It has now been super-seeded by a very fine Jaguar coupe.

In addition to that, the subsequent 991 releases have been a bit underwhelming and the GT3 launch has been a disaster.

So yeah, having a Jaguar bettering a 991 in many departments does make the 911 look a bit weak, it is not supposed to be like this, Jaguar have torn up the script.

This could be the 911 Carrera's GT-R moment, a time where Porsche throw the book at the 911 Carrera and sort out all of its shortcomings due to a new competitor.

A kick-up the backside is what Porsche needed with the 991, it will have focused them for the Generation 2 991 which should be breaking cover in the dying days of 2014. What is worrying as a Porsche fan, is that Porsche do not usually perform significant design surgery to their Gen 2 cars, but the 991 really does need it.

Edited by Carl_Docklands on Thursday 27th March 20:33

Well you and Chris are the first I have ever heard this from- again apart from the steering. m

[ewenm]

I don't care if it is better than the 911 or not. Choice is good and people have different priorities and preferences. There's plenty of space for the F-Type, the 911 and the rest - it's hard to make a bad choice in that market.

[The Vambo]

unrepentant said:

Contigo said:

Nice ass but not not as nice as the 3200 in my biased opinion!

I take it that's a joke? The 3200 ass is not attractive IMHO.

I was just wondering if I had missed another lovely new Maserti,



They do say love is blind.

[CJP80]

Carl_Docklands said:

As someone who watches all of his videos, alot of water has gone under the bridge in the 3 years the 991 was released. It has now been super-seeded by a very fine Jaguar coupe.

Edited by Carl_Docklands on Thursday 27th March 20:33

I see what you did there! :-)

[roofer]

TTmonkey said:

Great video.... I'd buy it over Porsche on that.

Really? Porsche will use 6 screws where Jaguar will use 4. A clever bit of marketing aided by 'Monkey' but it will never be a Porsche replacement or equal.

[Pesty]

roofer said:

Really? Porsche will use 6 screws where Jaguar will use 4. A clever bit of marketing aided by 'Monkey' but it will never be a Porsche replacement or equal.

Well they fked up the screws on the con rods. Pretty much everybody else managed to get that right over the last 50 years.
Let's not talk about all the other issues recently.

Please this all things german are perfect bks is getting old.

[chelme]

Pesty said:

roofer said:

Really? Porsche will use 6 screws where Jaguar will use 4. A clever bit of marketing aided by 'Monkey' but it will never be a Porsche replacement or equal.

Well they fked up the screws on the con rods. Pretty much everybody else managed to get that right over the last 50 years.
Let's not talk about all the other issues recently.

Please this all things german are perfect bks is getting old.

LOL!

[chelme]

Contigo said:

chelme said:

Indeed. Whats the 3200 like to drive btw? I am thinking of getting one of these -looking more like a Grandsport at the mo, but I'd be interested to know what you think of the 3200.

Honestly love it, never had a car that is so involving and just addictive. I should really do a running report on it as I have spent alot of time fettling it up to well over 400hp.

Edited by Contigo on Thursday 27th March 20:34

Nice. I have just read so much crap about the car...'steering which lacks feel, scary back end i.e. no warning before breakaway' 'unreliable' etc. I take it that from your experience its more involving than the other cars you have had. Any negatives?

[roofer]

Pesty said:

roofer said:

Really? Porsche will use 6 screws where Jaguar will use 4. A clever bit of marketing aided by 'Monkey' but it will never be a Porsche replacement or equal.

Well they fked up the screws on the con rods. Pretty much everybody else managed to get that right over the last 50 years.
Let's not talk about all the other issues recently.

Please this all things german are perfect bks is getting old.

Engineering and building to a (inflated) price are 2 different things. Shut the door on the 2 different marques, there lies the truth.

[carinaman]

I hope they sell like hot cakes abroad and JLR get the profitability they need to keep on making great cars that appeal and sell.