RE: Jaguar XE - full details
Discussion
TIGA84 said:
VX Foxy said:
Meh.
What a missed opportunity.
In what way would you say that this is a missed opportunity?What a missed opportunity.
To do what exactly?
Be interesting to see what the base model looks like with not so spanky wheels though...
Really does look rather nice.
Overall, I like it, but it's a bit too inoffensive. Was hoping they'd be a bit braver than that. If I were in that market, I'd certainly consider it over the usual suspects, but I'd also wait to see what the Alfa Giulia looks like before committing because it's about time that segment saw a decent dose of style rather than blandness.
Are some of these comments for real?
oh nooo smaller Jag saloon looks like bigger Jag saloon. Yeah because that doesn’t ever happen with any other brand EVER!
I mean god forbid
a car brand 
would want to create some kind of styling benchmark and brand recognition. 
I mean could you imagine if other brands did that? 
thankfully though its only jag that have done this isn't it guys... 
guys? it is only jag RIGHT?
Complaining a Jag looks too much like a Jag is like complaining that a beautiful painting looks too painty. It's designed in Britain, it’s made in Britain, its creating British jobs. Why is it so hard for British people to support British brands? I hear and read nothing but British people complaining that British people have no rights or the country isn’t British enough anymore. Well here is a British company trying to succeed and all British people can do is say "yeah but it’s not quite German enough for me"
Rant over lol. I don't think we should settle, before anyone suggests or simply buy it because it's British. It's a great looking car, the interior on first impressions isn't as, dare I say boring looking as a bmw or audi though some of the materials may need work. The rear I agree isn't the prettiest and for me those wheels remind me a little too much of a Vauxhall insignia vxr. However id still consider this before its competitors because I bet your bottom dollar this will look fantastic once on road in all its forms just like an XF, which still grabs my attention every time I see one.
oh nooo smaller Jag saloon looks like bigger Jag saloon. Yeah because that doesn’t ever happen with any other brand EVER!
I mean god forbid
a car brand would want to create some kind of styling benchmark and brand recognition. I mean could you imagine if other brands did that? thankfully though its only jag that have done this isn't it guys... guys? it is only jag RIGHT?Complaining a Jag looks too much like a Jag is like complaining that a beautiful painting looks too painty. It's designed in Britain, it’s made in Britain, its creating British jobs. Why is it so hard for British people to support British brands? I hear and read nothing but British people complaining that British people have no rights or the country isn’t British enough anymore. Well here is a British company trying to succeed and all British people can do is say "yeah but it’s not quite German enough for me"
Rant over lol. I don't think we should settle, before anyone suggests or simply buy it because it's British. It's a great looking car, the interior on first impressions isn't as, dare I say boring looking as a bmw or audi though some of the materials may need work. The rear I agree isn't the prettiest and for me those wheels remind me a little too much of a Vauxhall insignia vxr. However id still consider this before its competitors because I bet your bottom dollar this will look fantastic once on road in all its forms just like an XF, which still grabs my attention every time I see one.
Well the interior does not look anything like the Darth Vader inspired living rooms of zee Germans. So that is great.
I think Merc have three people designing different segments of their cars currently. The new C class looks terrible and an inconsistent design.
The Audi and BMW are a different prospect.
However I think Jag have been quite sensible. Enough of a Jaguar to be recognised but not too much and no frenchness anywhere. Sales execs, IT managers and other lease / fleet driver do not want bonkers on the front drive, office parking or fringes of the golf club car park.
It does deliver the possibility of some very sexy fast models though, like dropping in the Project 7 V8 in for M3 chasing?
Those wheels look great and clearly JLR must be confident of success to launch the car in red.
Good luck to them, they have done am amazing job in the past 5 years to prepare Jag to be a global volume car maker without the need of help from Ford, GM or zee Germans.
I think Merc have three people designing different segments of their cars currently. The new C class looks terrible and an inconsistent design.
The Audi and BMW are a different prospect.
However I think Jag have been quite sensible. Enough of a Jaguar to be recognised but not too much and no frenchness anywhere. Sales execs, IT managers and other lease / fleet driver do not want bonkers on the front drive, office parking or fringes of the golf club car park.
It does deliver the possibility of some very sexy fast models though, like dropping in the Project 7 V8 in for M3 chasing?
Those wheels look great and clearly JLR must be confident of success to launch the car in red.
Good luck to them, they have done am amazing job in the past 5 years to prepare Jag to be a global volume car maker without the need of help from Ford, GM or zee Germans.
First impressions are that they may have played it a touch safe. It's not offensive to look at but it does look a touch over restrained. A hint of clinical Japanese about it (going back a few years)
Will be interesting to see what it looks like in the 'metal' but I was expecting a touch more 'wow factor' after the likes of the F-Type.
Will be interesting to see what it looks like in the 'metal' but I was expecting a touch more 'wow factor' after the likes of the F-Type.
Fetchez la vache said:
Missed the opportunity to *not* sell like hot cakes, I'd have thought.
Be interesting to see what the base model looks like with not so spanky wheels though...
Really does look rather nice.
The XFR looks ok on the base models - maybe a little under wheeled - but I bet they ride well, no reason that this wont either. In reality, what percentage of cars are sold in this range with the 19/20 inch wheel options, pretty small I'd wager.Be interesting to see what the base model looks like with not so spanky wheels though...
Really does look rather nice.
I can't see all the negativity towards it - it does indeed look great. Lets hope they do the R or the R-S and a sportbrake - one these as an R-S wagon, yes please.
I'd love to see them do well with this, I think Jag are having something of a Renaissance of late, making some cracking looking stuff that people under 50 actually want to buy, the F-Type coupe is a sensational looking thing, coupled with the fact the they are brave enough to make things like Project 7 (which is bonkers) mean I think that they may well be a serious option for the buyers of Audi/BMW/Merc more and more.
I think there's a few people on here (me included) that are disappointed because it fails in design terms (inside and out) to move the game on in anyway. Remember when the new XJ was launched? It was risky and divided opinion. The F-Type was a knockout and even the XF was quite different when launched. People expected Jaguar therefore to be a bit braver.
The interior ought to be more special and greater use of F-Type touches would have been nice, like the thinner LED rear lights from the F and the door handles from one would have been a start.
Consensus seems to be that it is a handsome car but it is no show-stopper. This don't forget is the one with all the bits on, the poverty spec ones may look very plain-Jane.
Regards,
MyCC.
The interior ought to be more special and greater use of F-Type touches would have been nice, like the thinner LED rear lights from the F and the door handles from one would have been a start.
Consensus seems to be that it is a handsome car but it is no show-stopper. This don't forget is the one with all the bits on, the poverty spec ones may look very plain-Jane.
Regards,
MyCC.
I think it is sufficiently different from its competition to look like a Jaguar. That is about as much as manufacturers can hope for with designs dominated by the need to design cars which meet both pedestrian crash safety standards and to produce decent wind tunnel performance (said to be 0.26cd) for low emissions and fuel economy.
The base vehicle ticks the necessary boxes to be a candidate in the fleet market so far as CO2 (<100), mpg (75mpg) and service intervals (2 years/21,000 miles) and indicated base price are concerned. For those purely in bean counter mode this may be enough to win a sale. For the rest, living up to Jaguar`s claims about how it drives and the appeal of the dashboard toys and smart phone connectivity will also matter - and probably be the key to its ultimate success or failure.
JLR is betting the Jaguar farm on this car. It must sell in significant volume (minimum c100,000 pa?) to justify the investment made in it
I hope they succeed.
The base vehicle ticks the necessary boxes to be a candidate in the fleet market so far as CO2 (<100), mpg (75mpg) and service intervals (2 years/21,000 miles) and indicated base price are concerned. For those purely in bean counter mode this may be enough to win a sale. For the rest, living up to Jaguar`s claims about how it drives and the appeal of the dashboard toys and smart phone connectivity will also matter - and probably be the key to its ultimate success or failure.
JLR is betting the Jaguar farm on this car. It must sell in significant volume (minimum c100,000 pa?) to justify the investment made in it
I hope they succeed.
Edited by oldtimer2 on Tuesday 9th September 20:25
MyCC said:
I think there's a few people on here (me included) that are disappointed because it fails in design terms (inside and out) to move the game on in anyway. Remember when the new XJ was launched? It was risky and divided opinion. The F-Type was a knockout and even the XF was quite different when launched. People expected Jaguar therefore to be a bit braver.
The interior ought to be more special and greater use of F-Type touches would have been nice, like the thinner LED rear lights from the F and the door handles from one would have been a start.
Consensus seems to be that it is a handsome car but it is no show-stopper. This don't forget is the one with all the bits on, the poverty spec ones may look very plain-Jane.
Regards,
MyCC.
The interior ought to be more special and greater use of F-Type touches would have been nice, like the thinner LED rear lights from the F and the door handles from one would have been a start.
Consensus seems to be that it is a handsome car but it is no show-stopper. This don't forget is the one with all the bits on, the poverty spec ones may look very plain-Jane.
Regards,
MyCC.
That pretty much sums up my feelings too.Limpet said:
The F30 isn't anything to write home about dynamically without expensive options ticked, so I don't think it's inconceivable that the XE will pip it for driving enjoyment, at least as far as the base models go. When you get up to the higher models with the trick suspension, and the gloves really come off, it's harder to call, but BMW really hasn't done a stunning job with the F30 in standard trim. It's too soft and soggy, the body roll is excessive, and the steering is numb. Given the engineering talent in Jaguar, and the unique challenges of British roads where the car will have been developed, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they deliver a cooking model that is more of a drivers car than the equivalent F30 3-series
The XE is a handsome beast I think, although I'd be keen to see a standard model with 16-17" wheels. In this market, Jaguar were right in my opinion to be restrained in the styling department, and I think they've done just enough to make it stand out, without frightening off what is a fairly conservative target audience. When Ford did something radical with the Sierra all those years ago, the fleet market recoiled in horror, and I think if anything, the market now is more uniform and conservative than ever. I think they've called this one right.
It seems to nail the numbers as far as the fleet market goes, and is probably the first car in this sector in years that I am genuinely interested to go and drive. I hope it does well.
THIS!The XE is a handsome beast I think, although I'd be keen to see a standard model with 16-17" wheels. In this market, Jaguar were right in my opinion to be restrained in the styling department, and I think they've done just enough to make it stand out, without frightening off what is a fairly conservative target audience. When Ford did something radical with the Sierra all those years ago, the fleet market recoiled in horror, and I think if anything, the market now is more uniform and conservative than ever. I think they've called this one right.
It seems to nail the numbers as far as the fleet market goes, and is probably the first car in this sector in years that I am genuinely interested to go and drive. I hope it does well.
I've got an F30 320d and compared to the E90 flavour 325i I had for 3 years, its a soggy, slightly dull & not particularly sporty 'sports saloon', with looks that are 'meh' at best.
So I think Jaguar, with a following wind, might just have pitched the XE just right, as long as it is indeed as good to drive as they are promising.
I'd have one over my 3 series in a heartbeat
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