Quad bike crash four dead
Discussion
DonkeyApple said:
JonoG81 said:
TheLordJohn said:
If you are living under someone's roof, you play by their rules.
Their parents lack of discipline with their child allowed them to be out at mid night.
I'll never accept that it's okay for a 16 YO living at home to still be out on the streets at mid night.
At 18, I was allowed to be out all I wanted, as I was in the Army. But while I lived at home up to that age, it was his house, his rules, end of. I thought I was hard done by when I was a kid, now I'm very, very grateful for the way my Dad was/is.
You may say sheltered, which it was, I say stable, no drama, no 'beef', no family issues, b
hiness, one upmanship etc.
Agreed, I played by my parents rules when I was younger and never had any problems, and touch wood my children play by my rules and have also never had any issues. Their parents lack of discipline with their child allowed them to be out at mid night.
I'll never accept that it's okay for a 16 YO living at home to still be out on the streets at mid night.
At 18, I was allowed to be out all I wanted, as I was in the Army. But while I lived at home up to that age, it was his house, his rules, end of. I thought I was hard done by when I was a kid, now I'm very, very grateful for the way my Dad was/is.
You may say sheltered, which it was, I say stable, no drama, no 'beef', no family issues, b
hiness, one upmanship etc.Edited by TheLordJohn on Monday 28th September 22:17
I know where they are at midnight, and it certainly isn't out with friends causing trouble or putting themselves in danger, and that allows me to sleep easy at night knowing they are safe and sound after reading about horrible tragedies like this.
The majority of us grow up with good parents who have fair rules and we all for the most part respect them and their rules. However, it is an extremely and I when I say extremely, I mean seriously f
king weird kid, properly odd, who doesn't do some things that their parents don't wish them to do. Show me a guy who did nothing daft at all in their youth and I'll be looking at a freak of nature, an oddball, an anomaly, a mutant.
For me, when I was being a teenager, I had the benefit of no one having camera phones, no social media, no really fast cars in the hands of thickos, no kids in fast cars, was able to drink underage in pubs and I certainly remember falling off a trials bike trying to reenact the Great Escape.
Jono & John,
I get what you are saying.
Parents who care about their kids, will personally go to great lengths to protect them from themselves, but installing the twin virtues of common sense and sensibility - without crossing the line into dominating their kids lives.
Kids WILL make their own mistakes and learn from them, but its a fundamental parent duty to make sure that their kids go outdoors with a 'this is a dumb decision' mental list of things not to try.
At least three things on the most spartan of such lists were broken by the kids on that quad.
No safety gear
Four up
Public road
Racing a larger vehicle
Under the influence
TheLordJohn said:
Herman Toothrot said:
Quad wasn't road legal. Quad should not have been the road
That's how I see it, too.And to the people who've replied to my earlier post asking why a 16 YO is allowed to be out at midnight, and you said they're allowed to have sex and get married, it seems the irony of her demise being because she was out at midnight, up to no good, is missed on you.
I'd never allow my 16 YO child, of either sex, to be out at that time. I had to be in by 9 at that age. Admittedly, that's a bit early, but I wouldn't change my safe, stable upbringing for the world. I think it was 9 as, from 9pm onwards, then when folk were getting up to mischief.
I'd consider my raising of them a failure if these are the sort of people they were spending their time with.
I was a regular patron of Plymouths finest nightclubs at that age
Mandalore said:
DonkeyApple said:
JonoG81 said:
TheLordJohn said:
If you are living under someone's roof, you play by their rules.
Their parents lack of discipline with their child allowed them to be out at mid night.
I'll never accept that it's okay for a 16 YO living at home to still be out on the streets at mid night.
At 18, I was allowed to be out all I wanted, as I was in the Army. But while I lived at home up to that age, it was his house, his rules, end of. I thought I was hard done by when I was a kid, now I'm very, very grateful for the way my Dad was/is.
You may say sheltered, which it was, I say stable, no drama, no 'beef', no family issues, bhiness, one upmanship etc.
Agreed, I played by my parents rules when I was younger and never had any problems, and touch wood my children play by my rules and have also never had any issues. Their parents lack of discipline with their child allowed them to be out at mid night.
I'll never accept that it's okay for a 16 YO living at home to still be out on the streets at mid night.
At 18, I was allowed to be out all I wanted, as I was in the Army. But while I lived at home up to that age, it was his house, his rules, end of. I thought I was hard done by when I was a kid, now I'm very, very grateful for the way my Dad was/is.
You may say sheltered, which it was, I say stable, no drama, no 'beef', no family issues, b
hiness, one upmanship etc.Edited by TheLordJohn on Monday 28th September 22:17
I know where they are at midnight, and it certainly isn't out with friends causing trouble or putting themselves in danger, and that allows me to sleep easy at night knowing they are safe and sound after reading about horrible tragedies like this.
The majority of us grow up with good parents who have fair rules and we all for the most part respect them and their rules. However, it is an extremely and I when I say extremely, I mean seriously f
king weird kid, properly odd, who doesn't do some things that their parents don't wish them to do. Show me a guy who did nothing daft at all in their youth and I'll be looking at a freak of nature, an oddball, an anomaly, a mutant.
For me, when I was being a teenager, I had the benefit of no one having camera phones, no social media, no really fast cars in the hands of thickos, no kids in fast cars, was able to drink underage in pubs and I certainly remember falling off a trials bike trying to reenact the Great Escape.
Jono & John,
I get what you are saying.
Parents who care about their kids, will personally go to great lengths to protect them from themselves, but installing the twin virtues of common sense and sensibility - without crossing the line into dominating their kids lives.
Kids WILL make their own mistakes and learn from them, but its a fundamental parent duty to make sure that their kids go outdoors with a 'this is a dumb decision' mental list of things not to try.
At least three things on the most spartan of such lists were broken by the kids on that quad.
No safety gear
Four up
Public road
Racing a larger vehicle
Under the influence
king stupid but we were. We used to escape from the police by climbing on a sports hall roof, they couldn't get us because they were too unfit and heavy so we never got a criminal record.My parents instilled a good set of values in me, but teenagers are *very* good at ignoring their own core values.
I now own a TVR
Mandalore said:
That's quite an epic fail in understanding somebody else's point there about knowing where your kids are at night DA.
Jono & John,
I get what you are saying.
Parents who care about their kids, will personally go to great lengths to protect them from themselves, but installing the twin virtues of common sense and sensibility - without crossing the line into dominating their kids lives.
Kids WILL make their own mistakes and learn from them, but its a fundamental parent duty to make sure that their kids go outdoors with a 'this is a dumb decision' mental list of things not to try.
At least three things on the most spartan of such lists were broken by the kids on that quad.
No safety gear
Four up
Public road
Racing a larger vehicle
Under the influence
I'm not sure it is an epic fail as its pointing out that you can have excellent parenting and governance but no kid 100% abides by the rules or guidance set for them and that teenagers are teenagers and I suspect everyone of us did things in our youth that we will work hard to try and stop our children from doing. Jono & John,
I get what you are saying.
Parents who care about their kids, will personally go to great lengths to protect them from themselves, but installing the twin virtues of common sense and sensibility - without crossing the line into dominating their kids lives.
Kids WILL make their own mistakes and learn from them, but its a fundamental parent duty to make sure that their kids go outdoors with a 'this is a dumb decision' mental list of things not to try.
At least three things on the most spartan of such lists were broken by the kids on that quad.
No safety gear
Four up
Public road
Racing a larger vehicle
Under the influence
I was mostly at odds with a couple of rather wild claims that were made about their own childhood.
On the matter of this incident, I was oblivious that it has come to light that they were racing the car.
I didnt see where they were racing either ?
The damage doesn't look like one was aware of the other, it looks like the 350Z hit the quad at speed which to me suggests the drivers were unaware of its presence which seems more consistent with the terrible carnage in the pictures. I cant imagine a scenario where a quad designed for 1, maybe two people is racing a fairly fast car with 4 people on it.
The damage doesn't look like one was aware of the other, it looks like the 350Z hit the quad at speed which to me suggests the drivers were unaware of its presence which seems more consistent with the terrible carnage in the pictures. I cant imagine a scenario where a quad designed for 1, maybe two people is racing a fairly fast car with 4 people on it.
Driver and passenger of the 350z both got 9 years in prison for death by dangerous driving.
10 others also guilty of encouragement of dangerous driving.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-39975755
10 others also guilty of encouragement of dangerous driving.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-39975755
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