Is there such a thing as a desirable diesel?

[RobM77]

Ahbefive said:

But that was not the question.

Fair point. I'm backed into a corner, so there are no petrol cars I'd rather have than my diesel for everyday use. However, if we're talking 'desirable' as in something not compromised due to practicality concerns that I'd desire like I desire an Elise, a V6 Exige, a 550 Maranello, or a Caterham; i.e. something that I save up for or perhaps pin on my wall, then absolutely not, and there never will be.

[gizlaroc]

There is only one reason to buy diesel, that is to save money.

You can argue all you like, but that is why diesels are offered.




Now, don't get me wrong, often there is no petrol equivalent to the diesel, so if you want the fastest then you go diesel, but in general so far all the reasons for people saying they 'bought the diesel because they prefer it' is not a diesel vs petrol argument but a forced induction vs NA argument.


I have owned a 335i and a 335d, the 335i was quicker, revved better, handled better and sounded so much better, but was more pricey to fill up.

FFRR TDV8 vs 5.0 SC, the 5.0 SC was quicker, revved better, handled better and sounded so much better, but was more pricey to fill up.

Alpina D5 vs B5, the B5 was quicker, revved better, handled better and sounded so much better, but was more pricey to fill up.


The old argument for 'it's all about the torque man' doesn't really count anymore, most high end petrol performance engines are turbo or supercharged, there is no lack of torque low down, which is where the big dervs used to win.


Don't care what people say, we all buy diesels to save money.

[gizlaroc]

So can a diesel be desirable? Yeah of course. Would the petrol version be more desirable? Without a doubt.

[SteveSteveson]

Unimog.

[gizlaroc]

SteveSteveson said:

Unimog.

Cat with one leg?

[mondeoman]

gizlaroc said:

There is only one reason to buy diesel, that is to save money.

You can argue all you like, but that is why diesels are offered.




Now, don't get me wrong, often there is no petrol equivalent to the diesel, so if you want the fastest then you go diesel, but in general so far all the reasons for people saying they 'bought the diesel because they prefer it' is not a diesel vs petrol argument but a forced induction vs NA argument.


I have owned a 335i and a 335d, the 335i was quicker, revved better, handled better and sounded so much better, but was more pricey to fill up.

FFRR TDV8 vs 5.0 SC, the 5.0 SC was quicker, revved better, handled better and sounded so much better, but was more pricey to fill up.

Alpina D5 vs B5, the B5 was quicker, revved better, handled better and sounded so much better, but was more pricey to fill up.


The old argument for 'it's all about the torque man' doesn't really count anymore, most high end petrol performance engines are turbo or supercharged, there is no lack of torque low down, which is where the big dervs used to win.


Don't care what people say, we all buy diesels to save money.

Except you have to MEGA miles to make that work - diesels cost more in the first place, diesel itself costs more, and for Mr 10-12k a year, you aint getting that difference back.

Focus 5-door,purchase price difference is c£1k and is 13 mpg better (diesel over petrol, 78 c/w 65), means an annual 30 gallon saving on 12000, or £776 c/w £914, a mahoosive , £138. So thats over 7 years to get your money back. Wow, I'm sold!!!

[mondeoman]

I'm looking at (used) 545i or 535d, and the cost difference for similar mileage cars is about £2k. If i can get the 535d to 35mpg (which is apparently a struggle), I've got to do 37k miles to break even.

[Wills2]

gizlaroc said:

There is only one reason to buy diesel, that is to save money.

You can argue all you like, but that is why diesels are offered.




Now, don't get me wrong, often there is no petrol equivalent to the diesel, so if you want the fastest then you go diesel, but in general so far all the reasons for people saying they 'bought the diesel because they prefer it' is not a diesel vs petrol argument but a forced induction vs NA argument.


I have owned a 335i and a 335d, the 335i was quicker, revved better, handled better and sounded so much better, but was more pricey to fill up.

FFRR TDV8 vs 5.0 SC, the 5.0 SC was quicker, revved better, handled better and sounded so much better, but was more pricey to fill up.

Alpina D5 vs B5, the B5 was quicker, revved better, handled better and sounded so much better, but was more pricey to fill up.


The old argument for 'it's all about the torque man' doesn't really count anymore, most high end petrol performance engines are turbo or supercharged, there is no lack of torque low down, which is where the big dervs used to win.


Don't care what people say, we all buy diesels to save money.

Good post, when I've wanted to save money or just didn't have any I had a diesel everything from a clio 1.9d (no turbo!) e46 320d sport (which I did love) to an f31 335d xdrive, Audi 2.7 allroad, F10 520d etc..But every single one of my petrol engine cars has been better on all measures but MPG. (apart from a stty Fiat Argenta)

I'd have no problem getting another diesel but I wouldn't pretend it was desirable, I'd do it to save money.

[DoubleD]

mondeoman said:

Except you have to MEGA miles to make that work - diesels cost more in the first place, diesel itself costs more, and for Mr 10-12k a year, you aint getting that difference back.

Focus 5-door,purchase price difference is c£1k and is 13 mpg better (diesel over petrol, 78 c/w 65), means an annual 30 gallon saving on 12000, or £776 c/w £914, a mahoosive , £138. So thats over 7 years to get your money back. Wow, I'm sold!!!

I own a petrol car so I'm not shouting about diesels, but you will get your money back come sale time as diesels are usually worth more 2nd hand.

[SteveSteveson]

gizlaroc said:

SteveSteveson said:

Unimog.

Cat with one leg?

No, that's a pogopussy. I'm talking about the 4x4 lorry. I'd say they fit the bill as a desirable diesel.

[mondeoman]

DoubleD said:

mondeoman said:

Except you have to MEGA miles to make that work - diesels cost more in the first place, diesel itself costs more, and for Mr 10-12k a year, you aint getting that difference back.

Focus 5-door,purchase price difference is c£1k and is 13 mpg better (diesel over petrol, 78 c/w 65), means an annual 30 gallon saving on 12000, or £776 c/w £914, a mahoosive , £138. So thats over 7 years to get your money back. Wow, I'm sold!!!

I own a petrol car so I'm not shouting about diesels, but you will get your money back come sale time as diesels are usually worth more 2nd hand.

What, more than you paid for them? That'd take some doing.... They start higher, and ALL cars follow the same general depreciation curve.

[WinstonWolf]

gizlaroc said:

There is only one reason to buy diesel, that is to save money.

You can argue all you like, but that is why diesels are offered.




Now, don't get me wrong, often there is no petrol equivalent to the diesel, so if you want the fastest then you go diesel, but in general so far all the reasons for people saying they 'bought the diesel because they prefer it' is not a diesel vs petrol argument but a forced induction vs NA argument.


I have owned a 335i and a 335d, the 335i was quicker, revved better, handled better and sounded so much better, but was more pricey to fill up.

FFRR TDV8 vs 5.0 SC, the 5.0 SC was quicker, revved better, handled better and sounded so much better, but was more pricey to fill up.

Alpina D5 vs B5, the B5 was quicker, revved better, handled better and sounded so much better, but was more pricey to fill up.


The old argument for 'it's all about the torque man' doesn't really count anymore, most high end petrol performance engines are turbo or supercharged, there is no lack of torque low down, which is where the big dervs used to win.


Don't care what people say, we all buy diesels to save money.

I didn't

I bought the V8 TDI A8 because I love the way it wafts along on the torque, it's better for getting past lorries easily on the roads I drive on.

Sorry.

[DoubleD]

mondeoman said:

DoubleD said:

mondeoman said:

Except you have to MEGA miles to make that work - diesels cost more in the first place, diesel itself costs more, and for Mr 10-12k a year, you aint getting that difference back.

Focus 5-door,purchase price difference is c£1k and is 13 mpg better (diesel over petrol, 78 c/w 65), means an annual 30 gallon saving on 12000, or £776 c/w £914, a mahoosive , £138. So thats over 7 years to get your money back. Wow, I'm sold!!!

I own a petrol car so I'm not shouting about diesels, but you will get your money back come sale time as diesels are usually worth more 2nd hand.

What, more than you paid for them? That'd take some doing.... They start higher, and ALL cars follow the same general depreciation curve.

I didn't say that you would get more back than you paid for it. I said that you will get your money back come sale time. When you sell it will be worth more than the petrol model.

[DegsyE39]

Shakermaker said:

93DW said:

DegsyE39 said:

but your still getting your hands caked in slimey ste at the pumps.

I dont know what you've been putting in your tank chap but it doesnt sound like diesel

that's what the little gloves are for.

Oh its derv alright fking manky crap.

Ive worked on plant and been covered in diesel and hydraulic oil, I can cope begrudgingly.

You think your average bentayga diesel owner is going to want his hand stinking of derv for half a day come on..

Is diesel desirable? No

Is it luxurious? God no.

Edited by DegsyE39 on Friday 14th October 21:41

[mondeoman]

DoubleD said:

mondeoman said:

DoubleD said:

mondeoman said:

Except you have to MEGA miles to make that work - diesels cost more in the first place, diesel itself costs more, and for Mr 10-12k a year, you aint getting that difference back.

Focus 5-door,purchase price difference is c£1k and is 13 mpg better (diesel over petrol, 78 c/w 65), means an annual 30 gallon saving on 12000, or £776 c/w £914, a mahoosive , £138. So thats over 7 years to get your money back. Wow, I'm sold!!!

I own a petrol car so I'm not shouting about diesels, but you will get your money back come sale time as diesels are usually worth more 2nd hand.

What, more than you paid for them? That'd take some doing.... They start higher, and ALL cars follow the same general depreciation curve.

I didn't say that you would get more back than you paid for it. I said that you will get your money back come sale time. When you sell it will be worth more than the petrol model.

well duh, 50% of £100 is larger than 50% of £95.
it costs more in the first place FFS

[DoubleD]

mondeoman said:

DoubleD said:

mondeoman said:

DoubleD said:

mondeoman said:

Except you have to MEGA miles to make that work - diesels cost more in the first place, diesel itself costs more, and for Mr 10-12k a year, you aint getting that difference back.

Focus 5-door,purchase price difference is c£1k and is 13 mpg better (diesel over petrol, 78 c/w 65), means an annual 30 gallon saving on 12000, or £776 c/w £914, a mahoosive , £138. So thats over 7 years to get your money back. Wow, I'm sold!!!

I own a petrol car so I'm not shouting about diesels, but you will get your money back come sale time as diesels are usually worth more 2nd hand.

What, more than you paid for them? That'd take some doing.... They start higher, and ALL cars follow the same general depreciation curve.

I didn't say that you would get more back than you paid for it. I said that you will get your money back come sale time. When you sell it will be worth more than the petrol model.

well duh, 50% of £100 is larger than 50% of £95.
it costs more in the first place FFS

Calm down. It's just the Internet.

[DegsyE39]

Saying that ill even miss filthy old diesels when we all get forced into EV's

Edited by DegsyE39 on Friday 14th October 22:02

[gizlaroc]

WinstonWolf said:

gizlaroc said:

There is only one reason to buy diesel, that is to save money.

You can argue all you like, but that is why diesels are offered.




Now, don't get me wrong, often there is no petrol equivalent to the diesel, so if you want the fastest then you go diesel, but in general so far all the reasons for people saying they 'bought the diesel because they prefer it' is not a diesel vs petrol argument but a forced induction vs NA argument.


I have owned a 335i and a 335d, the 335i was quicker, revved better, handled better and sounded so much better, but was more pricey to fill up.

FFRR TDV8 vs 5.0 SC, the 5.0 SC was quicker, revved better, handled better and sounded so much better, but was more pricey to fill up.

Alpina D5 vs B5, the B5 was quicker, revved better, handled better and sounded so much better, but was more pricey to fill up.


The old argument for 'it's all about the torque man' doesn't really count anymore, most high end petrol performance engines are turbo or supercharged, there is no lack of torque low down, which is where the big dervs used to win.


Don't care what people say, we all buy diesels to save money.

I didn't

I bought the V8 TDI A8 because I love the way it wafts along on the torque, it's better for getting past lorries easily on the roads I drive on.

Sorry.

So the 4.0 twin turbo petrol, giving 533ft lbs of torque and 605hp doing 0-60 in 3.8 seconds would have felt like a right slouch would it?


As I said, we buy diesels because they save us money.

[WinstonWolf]

gizlaroc said:

WinstonWolf said:

gizlaroc said:

There is only one reason to buy diesel, that is to save money.

You can argue all you like, but that is why diesels are offered.




Now, don't get me wrong, often there is no petrol equivalent to the diesel, so if you want the fastest then you go diesel, but in general so far all the reasons for people saying they 'bought the diesel because they prefer it' is not a diesel vs petrol argument but a forced induction vs NA argument.


I have owned a 335i and a 335d, the 335i was quicker, revved better, handled better and sounded so much better, but was more pricey to fill up.

FFRR TDV8 vs 5.0 SC, the 5.0 SC was quicker, revved better, handled better and sounded so much better, but was more pricey to fill up.

Alpina D5 vs B5, the B5 was quicker, revved better, handled better and sounded so much better, but was more pricey to fill up.


The old argument for 'it's all about the torque man' doesn't really count anymore, most high end petrol performance engines are turbo or supercharged, there is no lack of torque low down, which is where the big dervs used to win.


Don't care what people say, we all buy diesels to save money.

I didn't

I bought the V8 TDI A8 because I love the way it wafts along on the torque, it's better for getting past lorries easily on the roads I drive on.

Sorry.

So the 4.0 twin turbo petrol, giving 533ft lbs of torque and 605hp doing 0-60 in 3.8 seconds would have felt like a right slouch would it?


As I said, we buy diesels because they save us money.

As I said, you might, I didn't.

Sorry, you'll lose if you try to tell me what I think

[gizlaroc]

WinstonWolf said:

As I said, you might, I didn't.

Sorry, you'll lose if you try to tell me what I think

You said the diesel is better for wafting passed lorries.

All I am saying is you are talking complete bks.

The 4.0 twin turbo v8 petrol has 533ft lbs of torque and has 605bhp, your car has 627ft lbs of torque but only 380bhp, your car takes 30% longer to get to 60mph, and at that point it is all about BHP.

I am not saying you don't think your car is faster or more effortless, I am simply saying it isn't.

Edited by gizlaroc on Friday 14th October 22:49