Electric cars, does everyone really think they are amazing.

[Evanivitch]

Lancerevo said:

All EVs will also need a new battery maybe every year 5 years and this is not going to be cheap and maybe a way for the government to claw back some much needed tax. I have seen some batteries for the Toyotas up at around £4500. This will surely kill the future resale.

Which is based on the assumption the battery is worthless, which they won't be. They can still be repurposed for storage or used for other vehicles which aren't reliant on the full as-new range.

[anonymous-user]

DoubleD said:

With 98% of sales being ICE i would still be heavily investing in that

Really? And over how many units are you going to amortise that development cost? Also, bearing in mind, that's money you can't now spend on EV development.

[DoubleD]

janesmith1950 said:

DoubleD said:

With 98% of sales being ICE i would still be heavily investing in that

Really? And over how many units are you going to amortise that development cost? Also, bearing in mind, that's money you can't now spend on EV development.

As a business I would not risk losing 98% of my sales by dropping development of the ICE, that would be commercial suicide.

[The Mad Monk]

Don't worry about it.

By 2040 many of us will be dead.

By 2040 the technology will have changed out of all recognition.

You want to buy an EV? O.K. buy one.

You want to stick withe ICE? O.K. stick with ICE.

Did I mention, don't worry about it?

[Mr GrimNasty]

Evanivitch said:

Which is based on the assumption the battery is worthless, which they won't be. They can still be repurposed for storage or used for other vehicles which aren't reliant on the full as-new range.

Ah that old myth................yet again.

What use are a bunch of mis-matched batteries in various states of degradation with some burnt out connections some dead cells ever going to be - it wouldn't be worth the cost of re-purposing them. And the cost/environmental damage of recycling will be humongous anyway.

[Mr GrimNasty]

The Mad Monk said:

Don't worry about it.

By 2040 many of us will be dead.

By 2040 the technology will have changed out of all recognition.

You want to buy an EV? O.K. buy one.

You want to stick withe ICE? O.K. stick with ICE.

Did I mention, don't worry about it?

Finally a sensible summation of where we are.

[Mr GrimNasty]

This kind of puts the (mostly fake) claimed air quality issues/deaths in the UK into perspective doesn't it!

https://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2017/08/06/african...

[Evanivitch]

Mr GrimNasty said:

Ah that old myth................yet again.

What use are a bunch of mis-matched batteries in various states of degradation with some burnt out connections some dead cells ever going to be - it wouldn't be worth the cost of re-purposing them. And the cost/environmental damage of recycling will be humongous anyway.

You realise that vast majority of cells come from just a few suppliers in China? Once you're down to a cell level it's very easy to grade cells, repackage and repurpose. For now it's a man in a shed industry, let's see how it grows in future.

[manracer]

Lancerevo said:

All EVs will also need a new battery maybe every year 5 years and this is not going to be cheap and maybe a way for the government to claw back some much needed tax. I have seen some batteries for the Toyotas up at around £4500. This will surely kill the future resale.

May I suggest you, and anyone else who thinks the same to watch this:
https://teslanomics.co/tesla-batteries-last-foreve...

I also hear that old Prius batteries are holding up quite well too!

[dave_s13]

I don't give a fk.

We have had an ev for nearly 3 years now and it's brilliant. We (I) also have a 3.0 V6 ice and it's also brilliant.

Win win.

Just try one and stop fking moaning. For what they are designed to do they're perfect.

[VonSenger]

Evanivitch said:

Lancerevo said:

All EVs will also need a new battery maybe every year 5 years and this is not going to be cheap and maybe a way for the government to claw back some much needed tax. I have seen some batteries for the Toyotas up at around £4500. This will surely kill the future resale.

Which is based on the assumption the battery is worthless, which they won't be. They can still be repurposed for storage or used for other vehicles which aren't reliant on the full as-new range.

https://www.zap-map.com/electric-taxi-company-clocks-100000-miles-in-nissan-leaf/

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.fleetnews.co.uk/a...

[Nothingtoseehere]

dave_s13 said:

I don't give a fk.

We have had an ev for nearly 3 years now and it's brilliant. We (I) also have a 3.0 V6 ice and it's also brilliant.

Win win.

Just try one and stop fking moaning. For what they are designed to do they're perfect.

I live on the 6th floor,can you help with charging if I get one?

[dave_s13]

Nothingtoseehere said:

dave_s13 said:

I don't give a fk.

We have had an ev for nearly 3 years now and it's brilliant. We (I) also have a 3.0 V6 ice and it's also brilliant.

Win win.
I'm
Just try one and stop fking moaning. For what they are designed to do they're perfect.

I live on the 6th floor,can you help with charging if I get one?

Yep...just bob round,plug it in and drop 50p in the honesty box.

[VonSenger]

dave_s13 said:

Nothingtoseehere said:

dave_s13 said:

I don't give a fk.

We have had an ev for nearly 3 years now and it's brilliant. We (I) also have a 3.0 V6 ice and it's also brilliant.

Win win.
I'm
Just try one and stop fking moaning. For what they are designed to do they're perfect.

I live on the 6th floor,can you help with charging if I get one?

Yep...just bob round,plug it in and drop 50p in the honesty box.

That's what I did when I went to Reading. Customer charge points on their driveways show up online if you register. I dropped the guy an email, popped a fiver in the charity box at his house, job done.
I then registered and do the same for others.

Not sure that will scale well though so definitely need improved infrastructure and tech if EVs are to go anywhere.

[anonymous-user]

We will be considering an EV to replace the wifes ageing is200 once our house is built, Unfortunately as we live in an apartment there is no way of getting a charging point installed in the underground parking (Crazy as it would be the perfect solution) I think for longer trips I would prefer the comfort/reassurance of having a conventional engine however for daily use (City driving) Electric would suit us very well indeed provided the car can be charged whilst we aren't using it (Most of the time as we work from home)

Used Teslas seem to be quite reasonable in terms of price and looking on Autoscout.eu they also seem to be quite capable of clocking up 200k kms + so must be quite reliable. As the tech is improving all the time in 5+ years I think they will be a viable option for most people. Can't argue with the performance aspect either.

[kambites]

Blaster72 said:

I'd agree with that Chris. I could quite easily cope with a 200 mile range EV right now if I could charge it somewhere each night but it'd be more hassle than popping to a petrol station every couple of weeks (my petrol car does 500 mile to a tank),

Interesting times ahead for us car lovers.

It really does depend on your exact situation. For me, going to a petrol station is a significant chore because I very rarely drive past one on my usual journeys; on the other hand I have a double garage which already has suitable power supply for charging two cars at once at a reasonable rate... as and when I switch to electric, it'll be far more convenient than the petrol cars we have now.

I dare say the time will come when they're suitable for everyone, but it's not here yet and while only ~1% of those who could run one actually do, I don't think focussing on the others would be a sensible use of manufacturers' time and money. In our case it's just a question of waiting for someone to produce one which actually suits our requirements (and then for it to be on the market long enough to depreciate helpfully send-hand).

Edited by kambites on Monday 7th August 07:48

[Colonial]

dave_s13 said:

I don't give a fk.

We have had an ev for nearly 3 years now and it's brilliant. We (I) also have a 3.0 V6 ice and it's also brilliant.

Win win.

Just try one and stop fking moaning. For what they are designed to do they're perfect.

Exactly.

At the moment no EV meets my demands. I was going to get a Tesla 3, but I really need an estate, and the range might be a little bit too short for my immediate needs.

But, this is probably going to change in 5 years, and I'll be happy.

Just because something does not meet your exact specification and needs/wants does not make it useless. Just not suitable for you.

[babatunde]

DoubleD said:

janesmith1950 said:

Put it another way...

You're on the board of BMW/Mercedes/Toyota etc, and you have the choice of investing £300m on the next generation of ICE, OR, the same on an EV (figures purely plucked out od the air).

Which would you do?

With 98% of sales being ICE i would still be heavily investing in that

That ladies and gentlemen is what Nokia & Blackberry said........................

[Killboy]

Yipper said:

If every home and flat in the UK charges their car overnight, the electricity grid (as it stands right now and for the foreseeable future) will explode.

Or, check out Vehicle-to-grid technology, where EVs can supply power back into the grid during times of demand, balancing the grid out.

London is moving to EV massively. The difference a year has made has been very impressive. And remember, nearly no one has drive ways and plug leads here, yet its somehow working.

[berlintaxi]

Killboy said:

Yipper said:

If every home and flat in the UK charges their car overnight, the electricity grid (as it stands right now and for the foreseeable future) will explode.

Or, check out Vehicle-to-grid technology, where EVs can supply power back into the grid during times of demand, balancing the grid out.

London is moving to EV massively. The difference a year has made has been very impressive. And remember, nearly no one has drive ways and plug leads here, yet its somehow working.

Piece on the breakfast news over the weekend about them trialling solar panel recharging units embedded in the road surface, basically charging the car as it drives along, they already have one you just need to park over to charge, sounds great if they can make it work.