RE: VW Tiguan R testing
Discussion
aeropilot said:
But having something with greater ground clearance IS for many a very valid reason. One of the reasons my 135i had to go was I was fed up with wincing every time the underside got bashed going up a rough track to a shoot at the weekend.
And don't knock the higher driving position until you've tried it, plus you wait until you get the wrong side of the half century mark and start to have pain/discomfort lowering yourself into or trying to get out of a low car. You'll change your tune.
10 years ago I couldn't have ever seen myself in a SUV/4x4 type of vehicle......after owning one now for 6 months, I wouldn't consider anything else as a daily driver now.
I tried higher driving position and still see it as no valid reason to opt for a SUV. Frankly, apart from not being blinded by idiots who can't set their light correctly, there's not much benefit in it. In many SUVs/offroaders any visibility advantage is removed by high bonnet.And don't knock the higher driving position until you've tried it, plus you wait until you get the wrong side of the half century mark and start to have pain/discomfort lowering yourself into or trying to get out of a low car. You'll change your tune.
10 years ago I couldn't have ever seen myself in a SUV/4x4 type of vehicle......after owning one now for 6 months, I wouldn't consider anything else as a daily driver now.
I love it how this forum makes it look like 80% of british public goes shooting on the weekends.
You had a low and stiff BMW so now went for SUV. Am I to understand you're saying there are no options in between?
As for lowering your self to a vehicle - so... your argument is that SUVs are for people over 50 with bad back?
MrBarry123 said:
Oi, shh yourself.
I don't shoot so I can't use that excuse however where we (sometimes) walk the dog is a bit muddy so I'll use that to validate my preference.
Also...
We probably visit Wales for a maximum of 3 days a year and some of the roads are a bit dodge.
And our local Waitrose has quite a steep incline to the car park, as does my local train station's multi-storey.
And the local pub's car park is a bit rutted.
And once we had a hard frost in both December AND January. With the Tiguan having a dedicated 'Snow' mode, I would no longer panic as the temperature falls.
And I've become very adept at collecting Shell Fuel Points.
And I'm a child.
If it does become reality and I get hold of one, I'll stalk you to every set of traffic lights and show you just how great it is!
By all means do. I'll laugh every time you race it from one set of traffic lights to the next to entertain yourself in heavy town traffic.I don't shoot so I can't use that excuse however where we (sometimes) walk the dog is a bit muddy so I'll use that to validate my preference.
Also...
We probably visit Wales for a maximum of 3 days a year and some of the roads are a bit dodge.
And our local Waitrose has quite a steep incline to the car park, as does my local train station's multi-storey.
And the local pub's car park is a bit rutted.
And once we had a hard frost in both December AND January. With the Tiguan having a dedicated 'Snow' mode, I would no longer panic as the temperature falls.
And I've become very adept at collecting Shell Fuel Points.
And I'm a child.
If it does become reality and I get hold of one, I'll stalk you to every set of traffic lights and show you just how great it is!
Good entertainment is hard to get so it's kind of you to offer to provide some.
diehardbenzfan said:
wab172uk said:
diehardbenzfan said:
I don't see this selling well purely because of the fact that for a few grand extra, you could get a GLC 43, a new X3 M40i or an SQ5.
But the SQ5 is the next size up. Why should only huge SUV's be able to go quickly?Why buy an A1 when an A3 is a few grand more. But then why buy an A3 when an A4 is a few grand more. So on and so forth
If someone wants a small'ish SUV what will handle better than the boggo version, and have the engine to be able to overtake slower moving traffic, then why should that be frowned upon?
If people didn't want them, manufacturers wouldn't build them. But they do. Even Lamborghini are bringing one out. Now if you think the Tiguan with a 5-pot is pointless ...........
I mean if I can afford to spend that kind of money on a car, especially if it's some sort of pcp, I'd 100% go for the GLC 43! The difference in deposit & monthlys cant be a lot I imagine!
By the way I'm only comparing the R version to Audi/merc/bmw, not the base tdi/tsi models as I'm sure pre reg tiguans can be had for under 25k
diehardbenzfan said:
My point is, I think maybe the people who can afford the 46k asking price would probably rather spend that money on a more premium brand such as BMW/Audi/Mercedes!
I mean if I can afford to spend that kind of money on a car, especially if it's some sort of pcp, I'd 100% go for the GLC 43! The difference in deposit & monthlys cant be a lot I imagine!
By the way I'm only comparing the R version to Audi/merc/bmw, not the base tdi/tsi models as I'm sure pre reg tiguans can be had for under 25k
Nope, not me, I couldn't care less about what badge is on a car.I mean if I can afford to spend that kind of money on a car, especially if it's some sort of pcp, I'd 100% go for the GLC 43! The difference in deposit & monthlys cant be a lot I imagine!
By the way I'm only comparing the R version to Audi/merc/bmw, not the base tdi/tsi models as I'm sure pre reg tiguans can be had for under 25k
I think for many people, the days of caring about what badge is on the front of a car are gone as a) leasing has meant almost every premium brand is available to almost everyone and b) most new cars are now very accomplished things.
Plus, as per my previous point, a Tiguan R would be a bit of a curiosity/oddball whereas the other cars you list - whilst all very capable and desirable - aren't. That, for some reason, appeals to me.
vz-r_dave said:
Nanook said:
vz-r_dave said:
Are you being serious, you are judging a tiguan on the basis of its weight versus the weight of a GTR..... I am sure it will handle just as well as the GTR, afterall its lighter right 
Would it be more useful to compare it against the weight of a tank? Perhaps a small bus?Or if you're talking about cars that are heavy, and therefore won't brake as well, is it more useful to compare to a car of similar mass, that has no issues with braking?
You're sure it'll handle as well as a GTR? Good for you!
Edited by vz-r_dave on Wednesday 23 August 16:40
this does not mean a 5 pot tiguan would perform like a GTR, but it could be engineered to drive as well as any of the hyper hatches, the GLA45 pretty much matches the A45 (to within a tiny % mostly lost because of the extra weight) although AMG do rip off the GLA suspension so it only sits a few mm higher than the A45
the press often comments that the GLA45 and RSQ3 ride and drive better in the real world than their normal model counter parts
Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Thursday 24th August 08:42
Zetec-S said:
From my observations, there are 2 types of Tiguan buyer:
1. School run mum. Buys a 2.0TDi for fuel economy and cheap tax. But must be R-Line spec so it's more sporty/sparkly.
2. Bert and Mavis. For the weekly shopping run, and trips to National Trust properties.
Neither of these groups will want a proper "R" version, so they'll probably sell about 10.
You say that, but my mum has a 2.0 TDi in "R line" spec, and she would be all over the Tiguan R! She's a bit of a speed demon and was actually reeling me in the other day... 1. School run mum. Buys a 2.0TDi for fuel economy and cheap tax. But must be R-Line spec so it's more sporty/sparkly.
2. Bert and Mavis. For the weekly shopping run, and trips to National Trust properties.
Neither of these groups will want a proper "R" version, so they'll probably sell about 10.
kmpowell said:
andrewparker said:
Does anyone actually believe VW will price a Tiguan at £46k?!
Given a current top of the tree Derv R-Line goes just shy of £40k, then I see no reason why not, I'd expect a full-fat 'R' version of the Tiguan to be c£50k easily...
RRP is misleading unless a mug is seen coming. You can get 5K off that price. There isn't much to add to an R Line, maybe 3k if you want to tick all the must haves so top of the tree is realistically £38k. I can see a 350hp version being £45k out the door loaded which is where it should be if you look at the SQ5 (50k) and GLC 43 slightly higher again.
Burwood said:
RRP is misleading unless a mug is seen coming. You can get 5K off that price. There isn't much to add to an R Line, maybe 3k if you want to tick all the must haves so top of the tree is realistically £38k. I can see a 350hp version being £45k out the door loaded which is where it should be if you look at the SQ5 (50k) and GLC 43 slightly higher again.
Discounts are available but only on pcp/hp deals and the discount is always paid in interest, I got a used bmw from coopers for 29400 down from 29995 and the salesman said I can easily get 2 k off the price til I said I would be getting a loan elsewhere with a cheaper rate. He went upstairs spoke to his manager and came down with the final price being 29400. The discount I could have had would have doubled in interest rates. Yes used cars are different to new and the benefits are bigger but my point stands, full price of that Tiguan including the final payment with or without a discount will still nudge 50k with interest.
Burwood said:
There isn't much to add to an R Line, maybe 3k if you want to tick all the must haves so top of the tree is realistically £38k.
I guess only a certain kind of owner goes on the Tiguan specific forums, but it's surprising how many of them throw a lot of options at the cars. Even on R-Line, there's still the incredibly annoying add-on for metallic, leather is a chunky cost option, area-view cameras, higher spec nav/sound etc etc.diehardbenzfan said:
Discounts are available but only on pcp/hp deals and the discount is always paid in interest, I got a used bmw from coopers for 29400 down from 29995 and the salesman said I can easily get 2 k off the price til I said I would be getting a loan elsewhere with a cheaper rate. He went upstairs spoke to his manager and came down with the final price being 29400. The discount I could have had would have doubled in interest rates.
Yes used cars are different to new and the benefits are bigger but my point stands, full price of that Tiguan including the final payment with or without a discount will still nudge 50k with interest.
They definitely saw you coming then. The classic `Needs to go speak to the Manager` (while really trying to chat up Tina in the office) and coming back with a £600 discount. Yes used cars are different to new and the benefits are bigger but my point stands, full price of that Tiguan including the final payment with or without a discount will still nudge 50k with interest.
wab172uk said:
diehardbenzfan said:
Discounts are available but only on pcp/hp deals and the discount is always paid in interest, I got a used bmw from coopers for 29400 down from 29995 and the salesman said I can easily get 2 k off the price til I said I would be getting a loan elsewhere with a cheaper rate. He went upstairs spoke to his manager and came down with the final price being 29400. The discount I could have had would have doubled in interest rates.
Yes used cars are different to new and the benefits are bigger but my point stands, full price of that Tiguan including the final payment with or without a discount will still nudge 50k with interest.
They definitely saw you coming then. The classic `Needs to go speak to the Manager` (while really trying to chat up Tina in the office) and coming back with a £600 discount. Yes used cars are different to new and the benefits are bigger but my point stands, full price of that Tiguan including the final payment with or without a discount will still nudge 50k with interest.
Take the finance and then Withdraw/Settle and the source your own if needed. As this is about Tiguan, on the old model, new, we got £3K contribution and another £3K discount, so got £30K list car for £24K. Nothing unusual in that, it's about where the best deals were at the time. I've never taken dealer finance before and the difference in attitude of the salesman was a revelation - the salesman couldn't do enough for us.
wab172uk said:
They definitely saw you coming then. The classic `Needs to go speak to the Manager` (while really trying to chat up Tina in the office) and coming back with a £600 discount.
Interest was 10.9% to borrow from bmw's lender, they would have made a lot of money if I went for it so the profit margin on the used car wouldn't have mattered (hence 2k off the price) but when I said I'll borrow somewhere else, they said no as knocking 2 grand off a used car meant they would have made hardly any money. That's why I only got 600 off. Even if they did, I'm still happy with the car and given the car cost 45k 12 months before I bought it, I think I got a big deal! diehardbenzfan said:
Interest was 10.9% to borrow from bmw's lender, they would have made a lot of money if I went for it so the profit margin on the used car wouldn't have mattered (hence 2k off the price) but when I said I'll borrow somewhere else, they said no as knocking 2 grand off a used car meant they would have made hardly any money. That's why I only got 600 off. Even if they did, I'm still happy with the car and given the car cost 45k 12 months before I bought it, I think I got a big deal!
For a tiny bit of effort you could have had the £2K though. I've walked away from £300 in the past (free servicing incentive to take PCP) but no way would I ignore a couple of £K.The interest rate is irrelevant - you aren't going to pay any of it!
Bladedancer said:
aeropilot said:
But having something with greater ground clearance IS for many a very valid reason. One of the reasons my 135i had to go was I was fed up with wincing every time the underside got bashed going up a rough track to a shoot at the weekend.
And don't knock the higher driving position until you've tried it, plus you wait until you get the wrong side of the half century mark and start to have pain/discomfort lowering yourself into or trying to get out of a low car. You'll change your tune.
10 years ago I couldn't have ever seen myself in a SUV/4x4 type of vehicle......after owning one now for 6 months, I wouldn't consider anything else as a daily driver now.
I tried higher driving position and still see it as no valid reason to opt for a SUV. Frankly, apart from not being blinded by idiots who can't set their light correctly, there's not much benefit in it. In many SUVs/offroaders any visibility advantage is removed by high bonnet.And don't knock the higher driving position until you've tried it, plus you wait until you get the wrong side of the half century mark and start to have pain/discomfort lowering yourself into or trying to get out of a low car. You'll change your tune.
10 years ago I couldn't have ever seen myself in a SUV/4x4 type of vehicle......after owning one now for 6 months, I wouldn't consider anything else as a daily driver now.
I love it how this forum makes it look like 80% of british public goes shooting on the weekends.
You had a low and stiff BMW so now went for SUV. Am I to understand you're saying there are no options in between?
As for lowering your self to a vehicle - so... your argument is that SUVs are for people over 50 with bad back?
What I don't understand is the obsession with making them sporty. What I'd like is a quiet, comfortable, wafty SUV like you get in the States. On small diameter wheels with massive sidewall tyres, so they're impervious to kerbs and potholes. What we get instead are fairly ordinary SUVs like Tiguan with stupidly big wheels and stiff suspension.
Sheepshanks said:
I don't know why people feel the need to justify choosing an SUV/Crossover - there's obviously something about them that buyers find attractive.
What I don't understand is the obsession with making them sporty. What I'd like is a quiet, comfortable, wafty SUV like you get in the States. On small diameter wheels with massive sidewall tyres, so they're impervious to kerbs and potholes. What we get instead are fairly ordinary SUVs like Tiguan with stupidly big wheels and stiff suspension.
I think it's because they're called "sport" utility vehicles! What I don't understand is the obsession with making them sporty. What I'd like is a quiet, comfortable, wafty SUV like you get in the States. On small diameter wheels with massive sidewall tyres, so they're impervious to kerbs and potholes. What we get instead are fairly ordinary SUVs like Tiguan with stupidly big wheels and stiff suspension.
If they were just called crossovers maybe the manufacturers would stop trying to make them into something they were never designed to do.
Totally agree with you, that's what we've got with the wife's car and does the job perfectly. At no point do I think - I know, what I need to do in this is go fast - that's why I have my C63
. If we have 2 cars I'll buy a C63 estate - if we need to go somewhere with lots of luggage space, we take the wife's car, because if we have the kids in the car I shouldn't be spanking it in the first place anyway.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff