VW Auto hold - advice on freak incident

[Martin_Hx]

When i first picked up my new 1 series about a year ago i was so happy to be greeted by a proper handbrake!

[saaby93]

Alucidnation said:

That video is not exactly difficult to understand.


The EPB should automatically operate when the drivers door is opened, and auto hold is active.

If auto hold isn't active, then one must apply the EPB manually.

A bit like a lever that you pull up.

Actually isnt that a better idea
A thing in the middle of the car that looks like a handbrake that you always pull up before getting out the car and you can see straight away that you have pulled it up. That way if the auto hold is accidentally turned off it doesnt matter - so long as the pull up thing over rides it.

[CoolHands]

Problem is if you get used to never putting the handbrake on because the hold assist or whatever holds the car when you exit the drivers door, with absolutely no action by the driver as per that video, why would you ever use the EPB? You wouldn’t.

Stupid idea really.

[saaby93]

CoolHands said:

Problem is if you get used to never putting the handbrake on because the hold assist or whatever holds the car when you exit the drivers door, with absolutely no action by the driver as per that video, why would you ever use the EPB? You wouldn’t.

Stupid idea really.

ok - what about if the car automatically raised the handbrake lever thingamy when it applies the parking brake to the wheels
If the handle wasnt up you'd know it hadnt done it?

It all smacks of solving a problem that didnt exist

[Sheepshanks]

Gilhooligan said:

I’ve had numerous VW hire cars with auto hold and and electronic parking brakes. Both manual and DSG variants and never had any difficulty in figuring out how to use them properly. You’d have to be impressively stupid to fall foul of these features.

There are many reports of it not working properly, particularly not releasing when it should on driving off. Latest Tiguan is having this issue.

DSG "gurus" strongly recommend turning it off as the DSG clutches pull against it.

[Alucidnation]

saaby93 said:

Alucidnation said:

That video is not exactly difficult to understand.


The EPB should automatically operate when the drivers door is opened, and auto hold is active.

If auto hold isn't active, then one must apply the EPB manually.

A bit like a lever that you pull up.

Actually isnt that a better idea
A thing in the middle of the car that looks like a handbrake that you always pull up before getting out the car and you can see straight away that you have pulled it up. That way if the auto hold is accidentally turned off it doesnt matter - so long as the pull up thing over rides it.

Maybe, maybe not.

However, it still isn’t difficult to carry on reaching for a switch instead of a lever if the car is equipped.

And there are now two warning lights to show epb has been applied, a red one the dash as always and one on the button.

[Mandalore]

Until about 5 years ago, all my cars had a handbrake lever.

I have since had zero issues with swapping between a button or a lever to apply the handbrake.

Suggesting that people suddenly forget what they do, simply because there is no longer a lever to pull up is wholly flawed.

You really would have to be really inept or backwards to be 'that guy'.

[anonymous-user]

Sheepshanks said:

Gilhooligan said:

I’ve had numerous VW hire cars with auto hold and and electronic parking brakes. Both manual and DSG variants and never had any difficulty in figuring out how to use them properly. You’d have to be impressively stupid to fall foul of these features.

There are many reports of it not working properly, particularly not releasing when it should on driving off. Latest Tiguan is having this issue.

DSG "gurus" strongly recommend turning it off as the DSG clutches pull against it.

I've got the epb + auto hold in my Leon and the Mrs has it in her Golf - we've both had problems. In the Leon it doesn't always disengage properly if you are reversing down a slope, in the Golf it disengages too quickly if you try to reverse up a slope.

Both cars have had random one-off instances where the epb didn't automatically switch on when the car was parked, the ignition switched off and the vehicle started to roll - absolutely no idea why in either case.

[TooMany2cvs]

Mandalore said:

Until about 5 years ago, all my cars had a handbrake lever.

I have since had zero issues with swapping between a button or a lever to apply the handbrake.

Suggesting that people suddenly forget what they do, simply because there is no longer a lever to pull up is wholly flawed.

You really would have to be really inept or backwards to be 'that guy'.

But it's not about that, is it?

Electronic handbrakes aren't just "push a button instead of pull a lever to put on, push the button again instead of push the lever to take off". They do st of their own free will. And that's what's getting people confused, because they don't always do what you expect when you expect it - and cars are going for a walk as a result.

[Alucidnation]

TooMany2cvs said:

Mandalore said:

Until about 5 years ago, all my cars had a handbrake lever.

I have since had zero issues with swapping between a button or a lever to apply the handbrake.

Suggesting that people suddenly forget what they do, simply because there is no longer a lever to pull up is wholly flawed.

You really would have to be really inept or backwards to be 'that guy'.

But it's not about that, is it?

Electronic handbrakes aren't just "push a button instead of pull a lever to put on, push the button again instead of push the lever to take off". They do st of their own free will. And that's what's getting people confused, because they don't always do what you expect when you expect it - and cars are going for a walk as a result.

I would say most people are not learning to use the system properly.

[TooMany2cvs]

Alucidnation said:

I would say most people are not learning to use the system properly.

Indeed.

But is that because "the system" is far too complicated, and not at all intuitive?

[Mandalore]

TooMany2cvs said:

Alucidnation said:

I would say most people are not learning to use the system properly.

Indeed.

But is that because "the system" is far too complicated, and not at all intuitive?

No they are not.

Everyone I have used simply replaces a lever with a button when you park up and walk away.

I am struggling to consider what on earth is confusing.


Unless... you are insisting that Hill hold assist and similar systems are a handbrake. In the same way that people might claim DRL's are headlights.
Obviously, both are designed for a different set us uses.

[TooMany2cvs]

Mandalore said:

Everyone I have used simply replaces a lever with a button when you park up and walk away.

A button that sometimes doesn't need pressing, because it "presses itself". And doesn't need releasing, because it "releases itself".

[DoctorX]

siovey said:

Mine likes to keep me on my toes every now and then. For example, stopping at traffic lights the engine cuts out and the green light comes on to confirm it's stopped and held etc. However, sometimes randomly the engine will restart and the car will creep forward....I have to be pretty quick on the brakes in heavy traffic! Maybe I should get it checked out...

If it’s like mine, the radar will detect the car in front pulling away and start the engine. Auto-hold should still be engaged though.

My Tiguan has been faultless. EPB and AH work brilliantly but I never rely on the car to activate the former automatically, I always engage it before turning off the engine just like a manual handbrake.

[wack]

There was nothing wrong with a lever, same as we didn't need keyless entry or fking tyre pressure monitors which will end up putting cars on the scrapheap when they're perfectly serviceable but won't go through an MOT without £££ being spent on them.

[Halmyre]

Spumfry said:

Sheepshanks said:

Gilhooligan said:

I’ve had numerous VW hire cars with auto hold and and electronic parking brakes. Both manual and DSG variants and never had any difficulty in figuring out how to use them properly. You’d have to be impressively stupid to fall foul of these features.

There are many reports of it not working properly, particularly not releasing when it should on driving off. Latest Tiguan is having this issue.

DSG "gurus" strongly recommend turning it off as the DSG clutches pull against it.

I've got the epb + auto hold in my Leon and the Mrs has it in her Golf - we've both had problems. In the Leon it doesn't always disengage properly if you are reversing down a slope, in the Golf it disengages too quickly if you try to reverse up a slope.

Both cars have had random one-off instances where the epb didn't automatically switch on when the car was parked, the ignition switched off and the vehicle started to roll - absolutely no idea why in either case.

My problem with reversing uphill is that the brakes don't disengage quickly enough, so the revs build up and - bang (not literally, hopefully) you're on the move.

[Doodlebug87]

I despise electronic handbrakes with a passion. The M4 has a lever but we also have a Cascada which has a switch instead. It has a mind of its own! You have to press the switch and make a point of waiting and watching the dash intently to make sure it has actually activated. 2-3 times out of 10 it won't have and you have to press it again. I can see how mistakes happen, especially if you are in a rush! The cretin who invented them should be placed on a large hill behind a fleet of cars containing busy people about to park.

[No ideas for a name]

Doodlebug87 said:

I despise electronic handbrakes with a passion. The M4 has a lever but we also have a Cascada which has a switch instead. It has a mind of its own! You have to press the switch and make a point of waiting and watching the dash intently to make sure it has actually activated. 2-3 times out of 10 it won't have and you have to press it again. I can see how mistakes happen, especially if you are in a rush! The cretin who invented them should be placed on a large hill behind a fleet of cars containing busy people about to park.

My Jag does this... everyone tells me it is 'normal'.
You can press the switch (actually it is a pull up switch lever), you get tactile feedback from the switch, and an audible click, but the EPB does not always engage. You have to look at the light on the dash to be sure it has activated.
I think there is a debounce on the switch which has too long a time constant.

It isn't fit for purpose.

[essayer]

Confound this car with it’s mystery handbrake, how will I ever know if it’s engaged or disengaged

[Alucidnation]

Really????