RE: BMW M5: PH Fleet

[jamoor]

Ares said:

I agree....I'd be interested to know what M cars SidewaysSi and jamoor have driven.

I don't know why but right now I have -
F10 M5
E92 M3
Lexus ISF

I have owned E39 M5 in the past along with E39 530i and a 530d, so I am extremely well acquainted with the difference between the M and non M models.
E39 M5 was great, manual transmission, sharp handling.
E92 also good with a screamer V8 with an 8250 redline (I've driven normal E9xs but never owned one).

F10 M5 is a great car but seems to lack the absolute finesse that one would expect. It's a very big car in size, the turbocharged nature means it lacks the screaming engine, its more of a prod and go affair. Still a good car though mind.

[SidewaysSi]

Ares said:

TobyTR said:

jamoor said:

SidewaysSi said:

Is the M5 really hugely different? Long gone are the days when M cars were proper driving machines. They are just a fast, fat 5 Series.

Controversial but I'm tempted to agree

M2 and M3 are most certainly proper driving machines. And if the majority of F10/F90 M5 owners are saying they're proper M cars too then that's also good enough for me

I agree....I'd be interested to know what M cars SidewaysSi and jamoor have driven.

E30 M3, E46 M3 manual on 19", E39 M5, F10 M5 and Z4M.

[TobyTR]

I mean this politely, but if you owned an F10 M5 why did you ask are they hugely different? and 'just a fat 5 Series'?

I've never heard any F10 owner describe them in such a way

[Ares]

jamoor said:

Ares said:

I agree....I'd be interested to know what M cars SidewaysSi and jamoor have driven.

I don't know why but right now I have -
F10 M5
E92 M3
Lexus ISF

I have owned E39 M5 in the past along with E39 530i and a 530d, so I am extremely well acquainted with the difference between the M and non M models.
E39 M5 was great, manual transmission, sharp handling.
E92 also good with a screamer V8 with an 8250 redline (I've driven normal E9xs but never owned one).

F10 M5 is a great car but seems to lack the absolute finesse that one would expect. It's a very big car in size, the turbocharged nature means it lacks the screaming engine, its more of a prod and go affair. Still a good car though mind.

It was a genuine question.

I've driven all incarnations of the 5 series, and M5 (and all M5s back to back on a BMW M day). Having done so, the F10 is not (and certainly no more) just a 'fast 5 series' than any previous incarnations, especially the E39. It does drive differently due to forced induction, as the current M3/M4 do, but for me, I don't need an engine to be a screamer for it to be fun.

I would also vehemently disagree that the F10 M5 is not a 'driving machine'.

[Ares]

SidewaysSi said:

Ares said:

TobyTR said:

jamoor said:

SidewaysSi said:

Is the M5 really hugely different? Long gone are the days when M cars were proper driving machines. They are just a fast, fat 5 Series.

Controversial but I'm tempted to agree

M2 and M3 are most certainly proper driving machines. And if the majority of F10/F90 M5 owners are saying they're proper M cars too then that's also good enough for me

I agree....I'd be interested to know what M cars SidewaysSi and jamoor have driven.

E30 M3, E46 M3 manual on 19", E39 M5, F10 M5 and Z4M.

And you genuinely think the F10 is 'just a fat fast 5 series'?