RE: Volvo to fit all cars with 112mph speed limiter

[Chainsaw Rebuild]

I’m not buying a Volvo on principle now.

[IanJ9375]

I suppose the context would help, how many of those fatalaties were over this 112mph future limit? Small percentage I'd expect?

And how many Volvo's (that aren't police traffic cars) regularly get driven at over 112mph? Again small percentage

[ambuletz]

you just know that the real reason volvo are doing it is so that at the end of the day they can pool together reports/stats saying things like

'volvo cars safest ever'
'volvo cars have fewest fatalities'
'volvo car owners less likely to have drving bans'
'volvo owners less likely to speed'


all because of the limiter. their cars wont be in stats or dailymail articles of people doing 120mph and getting banned/killed because they wont be able to reach it!

[ScoobyBazza]

kambites said:

ScoobyBazza said:

I'd be interested in the figures %s for unlimited roads compared to restricted roads in Germany..

You have to be very careful of your cause an effect making that sort of comparison. I doubt they chose which bits to limit arbitrarily so one has to imagine that the bits of autobhan which have speed limits are, on average, inherently less safe than those without.

Which is what l remember...the limits opening up only on suitable pieces of roads. Limits coming in and out due to tighter curves and complex junctions. Seems to work okay from my experience..

[deckster]

ambuletz said:

you just know that the real reason volvo are doing it is so that at the end of the day they can pool together reports/stats saying things like

'volvo cars safest ever'
'volvo cars have fewest fatalities'
'volvo car owners less likely to have drving bans'
'volvo owners less likely to speed'


all because of the limiter. their cars wont be in stats or dailymail articles of people doing 120mph and getting banned/killed because they wont be able to reach it!

You mean 'continue' to be in the top echelons of the car safety stats. They've been adding both active and passive systems to their vehicles for decades so it's hardly new.

You can argue about demographics and the kind of people that buy Volvos all day long - but the simple fact that nobody has ever been killed in an XC90 on the UK's roads must surely give you at least some pause that just maybe they might be doing something right?

[Black S2K]

ScoobyBazza said:

kambites said:

ScoobyBazza said:

I'd be interested in the figures %s for unlimited roads compared to restricted roads in Germany..

You have to be very careful of your cause an effect making that sort of comparison. I doubt they chose which bits to limit arbitrarily so one has to imagine that the bits of autobhan which have speed limits are, on average, inherently less safe than those without.

Which is what l remember...the limits opening up only on suitable pieces of roads. Limits coming in and out due to tighter curves and complex junctions. Seems to work okay from my experience..

It's also 80 Km/h in the wet on worn areas of surface.

We could do with that on the bits of the Road to Hell that continuously flood and they CBA to fix.

[Evilex]

This is superb news!

Motorway Traffic police will never catch anyone again!

[rog007]

keirik said:

Finlandia said:

Volvo has already stated that in 2020 no one will die or get seriously hurt in a Volvo. Judging by that, this limit will need to come down by around another 100mph

Most people die outside a Volvo. Doesn't mean the Volvo is being driven safely though.

Protect the driver, kill the innocent bystanders has always been the Volvo way. There's a reason motorcyclists always hated them

I’m a Volvo fan. Had old XC90 and next 4x4 will be the new XC90.

But I was knocked off my motorcycle on the day I passed my test by a Volvo driver (and it was his fault).

[ScoobyBazza]

rog007 said:

I’m a Volvo fan. Had old XC90 and next 4x4 will be the new XC90.

But I was knocked off my motorcycle on the day I passed my test by a Volvo driver (and it was his fault).

I guess this happened at over 112mph and this is all his fault ?

[otolith]

nickfrog said:

simonrockman said:

automatic geofencing to automatically limit speeds around schools and hospitals.

I hope that's implemented as it sounds like a great idea, hopefully others will follow.

Surely next to a hospital is the ideal place to drive too fast?

[Itsallicanafford]

I would have to check, but I’m pretty sure my IS300H Lexus is limited to 115mph. I haven’t lost alot of sleep over it over the past 4 years of ownership.

[dcb]

kambites said:

... one has to imagine that the bits of autobahn which have speed limits are, on average, inherently less safe than those without.

Nope. Strange but true, the unrestricted parts (i.e. most of it) have just the same
death rates as the restricted parts. It's been looked into by the German Traffic
Ministry on many occasions over the last 80 years.

If there were a significant difference, the Germans would mandate the use
of the safer option. They haven't mandated, so there isn't a significant difference.

Even the German Greens don't campaign for autobahn speed limits, claiming they are
safer, they mainly claim eco benefits to limits these days.

[otolith]

dcb said:

kambites said:

... one has to imagine that the bits of autobahn which have speed limits are, on average, inherently less safe than those without.

Nope. Strange but true, the unrestricted parts (i.e. most of it) have just the same
death rates as the restricted parts. It's been looked into by the German Traffic
Ministry on many occasions over the last 80 years.

If there were a significant difference, the Germans would mandate the use
of the safer option. They haven't mandated, so there isn't a significant difference.

Even the German Greens don't campaign for autobahn speed limits, claiming they are
safer, they mainly claim eco benefits to limits these days.

Think you've got the wrong end of the stick there - I think he's saying that the risky bits are where they impose the speed limits (in order to make them less risky). If it works, you'd expect the outcome you describe.

[smilo996]

It is still 180kph which is far in excess of most country’s speed limits. It is not as if they are going to spend much time on track.

[Slow]

smilo996 said:

It is still 180kph which is far in excess of most country’s speed limits. It is not as if they are going to spend much time on track.

Do you not find yourself when doing long distance at 3/4am above those speeds? I know i averaged 90 from Birmingham to Dundee during the day in a S class with traffic.

I had assumed the 3/4am cruising speed was around 120 unless in a small/slow car. Judging by the speed everyone seems to be doing.

[Klippie]

I'am really getting fed up with these do-goody bds looking after my safety and well being I think I can decide how and where I want to drive fast.

Why don't all these faceless tts just fk-off and leave us alone.

[legless]

ScoobyBazza said:

How on Earth is a car designed for 150+mph compromised at 70mph ???
Driving at 70mph is WAY within its limits so it's super capable and safe.

Some cars (particularly German ones) are compromised at UK speeds by being engineered for stability at 120mph+ while 4-up with luggage, and end up with spring rates that are too high and overly-aggressive damping that's less than ideal for a typical UK A/B road.

The M135i is a particular example of this, and it's why the Birds suspension kit is a popular upgrade.

[GTEYE]

I don’t think it’s just Volvo....

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2019/02/2...

And I’m sure it will affect the UK Brexit or not.

[Kawasicki]

legless said:

ScoobyBazza said:

How on Earth is a car designed for 150+mph compromised at 70mph ???
Driving at 70mph is WAY within its limits so it's super capable and safe.

Some cars (particularly German ones) are compromised at UK speeds by being engineered for stability at 120mph+ while 4-up with luggage, and end up with spring rates that are too high and overly-aggressive damping that's less than ideal for a typical UK A/B road.

The M135i is a particular example of this, and it's why the Birds suspension kit is a popular upgrade.

That’s crap. Sorry. Every modern car is engineered for top speed stability. Are they all poor on typical British A/B roads?

[amgmcqueen]

fast diesel boy said:

Next RE:..Volvo go into administration.

Good riddance.

+1

Pathetic company.