RE: Porsche 911 (992) Carrera S Cabriolet: Driven
Discussion
anonymous said:
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I sense that this discussion has moved way way way off the original topic (911 992 cabrio) to something statistical but this is an interesting point. If a car is new only once, but may be sold every three years (broad brush figures) then by the time it is 12 years old and scrapped then it will have had four owners, three of whom have bought it second-hand. Indeed, for every car that is scrapped with more than two owners on the logbook (whcih must be the vast, vast majority) then there will have been more people who bought it second-hand than new. I therefore think that the statement 'the vast majority of people buy their cars second-hand' is probably true.
(I'd also agree with the sentiments that a 911 is a rich person's car and that many threads on here descend into arguments around money/wealth/income and resale values, but those are separate points .... )
Ares said:
again.... 
Love it. A 3-series, that is categorically better, sells more due to buyers being misguided, and the 'superior' Lexus has s
t sales because consumers are stupid...nothing to do with the fact it is dull dull dull dull.
Keep going Alan, this is comedy gold.
A diesel 3 series is dull dull dull. They’re unreliable, cramped inside and ride badly. People buy them for badge appeal. Love it. A 3-series, that is categorically better, sells more due to buyers being misguided, and the 'superior' Lexus has s
t sales because consumers are stupid...nothing to do with the fact it is dull dull dull dull.Keep going Alan, this is comedy gold.
A Lexus IS for instance is reliable, more comfortable and is better styled inside and out. I’ve looked at both with open eyes.
kbf1981 said:
Again, imagination...
"1973 PORSCHE 911 CARRERA RS 2.7 TOURING SPECIFICATIONS: Price when new $14,000"
What is $14,000 in today's money (the above being 1973)? $79,000, or about £60k. 911's are more expensive now than they used to be.
Sources:
https://www.motortrend.com/news/1973-porsche-911-c...
https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/
Yep. Hence why you see so few 911s on the road - because even with credit they’re very expensive to buy and run. I cannot recall the last time I saw a 991 on the road actually. "1973 PORSCHE 911 CARRERA RS 2.7 TOURING SPECIFICATIONS: Price when new $14,000"
What is $14,000 in today's money (the above being 1973)? $79,000, or about £60k. 911's are more expensive now than they used to be.
Sources:
https://www.motortrend.com/news/1973-porsche-911-c...
https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/
st4 said:
A diesel 3 series is dull dull dull. They’re unreliable, cramped inside and ride badly. People buy them for badge appeal.
A Lexus IS for instance is reliable, more comfortable and is better styled inside and out. I’ve looked at both with open eyes.
So far I’ve covered 80K miles in 3 series cars, no issues so far. You’ve clearly never owned one. But then, you have a car which is the motoring equivalent of Eastbourne.A Lexus IS for instance is reliable, more comfortable and is better styled inside and out. I’ve looked at both with open eyes.
yonex said:
So far I’ve covered 80K miles in 3 series cars, no issues so far. You’ve clearly never owned one. But then, you have a car which is the motoring equivalent of Eastbourne.
A close friend with a 320i had a chain crap out - at 70k miles. The internet is rife with tales of woes just like hers. Toyota vehicles rarely are seldom plagued with such issues because they are engineering and manufactured very well. Driving a 3 series is the motoring equivalent of Blackpool.
Ares said:
kbf1981 said:
PGNSagaris said:
Fair price for the 911, certainly far better value than it was thirty years ago.
The 992 looks amazing in convertible form. The ultimate daily...
Again, imagination...The 992 looks amazing in convertible form. The ultimate daily...
"1973 PORSCHE 911 CARRERA RS 2.7 TOURING SPECIFICATIONS: Price when new $14,000"
What is $14,000 in today's money (the above being 1973)? $79,000, or about £60k. 911's are more expensive now than they used to be.
Sources:
https://www.motortrend.com/news/1973-porsche-911-c...
https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/
st4 said:
A close friend with a 320i had a chain crap out - at 70k miles. The internet is rife with tales of woes just like hers. Toyota vehicles rarely are seldom plagued with such issues because they are engineering and manufactured very well.
Driving a 3 series is the motoring equivalent of Blackpool.
So based on your sample of one petrol BMW 3 series you are writing the 320 diesel off as poor. Outstanding work. As for the drive, why is it Lexus always seem to come out at the bottom of every review when it comes to dynamics? I don't really mind them, but they are really made for the type of owner who favours comfort over enjoyment. Generally, older people. Nothing wrong with that. Driving a 3 series is the motoring equivalent of Blackpool.
As for Toyota, you must be joking......
https://www.edmunds.com/recalls/toyota.html
yonex said:
So based on your sample of one petrol BMW 3 series you are writing the 320 diesel off as poor. Outstanding work. As for the drive, why is it Lexus always seem to come out at the bottom of every review when it comes to dynamics? I don't really mind them, but they are really made for the type of owner who favours comfort over enjoyment. Generally, older people. Nothing wrong with that.
As for Toyota, you must be joking......
https://www.edmunds.com/recalls/toyota.html
I think you are being deliberately obtuse. The issues with BMW diesel engines are widely known and even made the TV show watchdog. They're not the rigorously engineered cars the marketing men tell you they are. As for Toyota, you must be joking......
https://www.edmunds.com/recalls/toyota.html
kbf1981 said:
PGNSagaris said:
Fair price for the 911, certainly far better value than it was thirty years ago.
The 992 looks amazing in convertible form. The ultimate daily...
Again, imagination...The 992 looks amazing in convertible form. The ultimate daily...
"1973 PORSCHE 911 CARRERA RS 2.7 TOURING SPECIFICATIONS: Price when new $14,000"
What is $14,000 in today's money (the above being 1973)? $79,000, or about £60k. 911's are more expensive now than they used to be.
Sources:
https://www.motortrend.com/news/1973-porsche-911-c...
https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/
1973 was 46 years ago.
30 years ago was called 1989 .....
GranCab said:
kbf1981 said:
PGNSagaris said:
Fair price for the 911, certainly far better value than it was thirty years ago.
The 992 looks amazing in convertible form. The ultimate daily...
Again, imagination...The 992 looks amazing in convertible form. The ultimate daily...
"1973 PORSCHE 911 CARRERA RS 2.7 TOURING SPECIFICATIONS: Price when new $14,000"
What is $14,000 in today's money (the above being 1973)? $79,000, or about £60k. 911's are more expensive now than they used to be.
Sources:
https://www.motortrend.com/news/1973-porsche-911-c...
https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/
1973 was 46 years ago.
30 years ago was called 1989 .....
st4 said:
I think you are being deliberately obtuse. The issues with BMW diesel engines are widely known and even made the TV show watchdog. They're not the rigorously engineered cars the marketing men tell you they are.
Yes they had issues, and a lot were covered under warranty. The point you made was that Toyota had an exemplary record in vehicle engineering?I guess the recall of 2.4 million hybrids that they manufactured didn't reach wherever you take your facts from? Or the subsequent recall of 1 million Prius for a wiring loom issue. 5.2 million vehicles recalled for the infamous floor mat issue and then the ABS recall. It was widely reported and cost them a fortune.
Anyway, it's irrelevant, I'll never own a Lexus as I actually enjoy driving.
st4 said:
Shame as they are very enjoyable to drive. The GS is vastly more fun than the E class.
What that has to do with the BMW I don't know, but I very much doubt the Lexus is a match for the new E-Class. Any quite why a thread about 911's has turned into a debate about which shade of grey is best for a dull as dishwater Lexus?GranCab said:
st4 obviously had a traumatic time when he owned a knackered old E Class Merc and now blindly believes that his adorable Lexus will never go wrong and give him years old pleasurable, trouble-free motoring.
The E class was by the standards of the DR520 thread a new car. 4yrs old, 42k miles on the clock and it went wrong constantly. The w212 was only 6yrs old and 39k old and went wrong quite a lot too. The Lexus of the same age/miles hasn’t given a moments trouble other than a new battery needed for the keyfob.
So (t)roll on...
yonex said:
What that has to do with the BMW I don't know, but I very much doubt the Lexus is a match for the new E-Class. Any quite why a thread about 911's has turned into a debate about which shade of grey is best for a dull as dishwater Lexus?
The Lexus GS is better to drive than the w213 E class. The new ES looks totally amazing. Keep looking at white goods big 3 German cars if it makes you happy. st4 said:
The Lexus GS is better to drive than the w213 E class. The new ES looks totally amazing. Keep looking at white goods big 3 German cars if it makes you happy.
It looks like any modern car, I can see various Audi, BMW, Mercedes influences on that car to be honest, although they're not styling cues as such, just a result of the constraints of modern car design in general. The real issue is how it will drive, and on that front, to appeal to the target audience it will be a safe handling car which has a good level of refinement. Lexus have their USP. I don't know why you can't just be happy that this is your priority instead of making yourself look a bit daft talking about dynamics.
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