BOTB - rigged?
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Mirinjawbro said:
TriplePPP said:
Hi all, long time lurker for many many years.
Thought I’d add my 2 cents in as I run one of these prize competition companies.
It would be very unlikely he had hacked anyone, most of these websites are very secure and they normally cross reference entries vs payments anyway (I know we do)
Whilst there certainly is a lot of underhand things going on out there in this line of work, I would be shocked if it was some form of collusion between these companies.
BOTB advertise heavily against all search terms and other company names on Google. They also have far too much to lose for it to be worth it vs the profits they make doing it legitimately.
My guess would be he is maxing out his entries on multiple competitions.
but as people have said above, sometimes its max 100 tickets of maybe 1000/2000? 5k, even 10k? there's no chance he can win that on all of them.Thought I’d add my 2 cents in as I run one of these prize competition companies.
It would be very unlikely he had hacked anyone, most of these websites are very secure and they normally cross reference entries vs payments anyway (I know we do)
Whilst there certainly is a lot of underhand things going on out there in this line of work, I would be shocked if it was some form of collusion between these companies.
BOTB advertise heavily against all search terms and other company names on Google. They also have far too much to lose for it to be worth it vs the profits they make doing it legitimately.
My guess would be he is maxing out his entries on multiple competitions.
or
all these companies have got together to get someone to "win" on loads of comps. . this amazing luck and talk of it are over multiple forums and WOM and increases the traffic and people playing for them
The only big wins he has had are BOTB and Elite Comps, which is highly unlikely but possible.
I would doubt they have got together, the market is already over saturated and everyone is fighting for market share. If they have done that then it has massively backfired as now everyone thinks they are all fixed!
Mirinjawbro said:
all these companies have got together to get someone to "win" on loads of comps. . this amazing luck and talk of it are over multiple forums and WOM and increases the traffic and people playing for them
We're now heading into tinfoil hat territory if you think 11 separate companies are going to form a criminal conspiracy that would be the end of their business if caught 
What do they gain from it? Sure its talked about on social media but it'll be putting people off playing if there's a whiff of cheating in the air Algarve said:
We're now heading into tinfoil hat territory if you think 11 separate companies are going to form a criminal conspiracy that would be the end of their business if caught What do they gain from it? Sure its talked about on social media but it'll be putting people off playing if there's a whiff of cheating in the air
Agreed, if you do a google of his name and entry list, you can clearly see he enters a lot of competitions. I’m actually a bit put out he hasn’t entered one of ours! What do they gain from it? Sure its talked about on social media but it'll be putting people off playing if there's a whiff of cheating in the air ESD1711 said:
The Spruce Goose said:
Winning would be void, i pretty sure BOTB terms limit to one account per person.
Agreed. But who’s checking that, particularly at the level of the smaller companies? What’s to stop me signing up using my own email address, then my work email address, then my wife’s email address etc, then a random email I just created?
I’m not sure if the processes involved tbh or if there are other things in place to prevent that - it just seems like the most likely ‘loophole’ if there is one. I’m no expert though, purely guesswork / speculation.
Your name is a second check - or do you want to try and explain why your name isn't your name when they call you tell you you've won?
A third check is the source of the game funding, i.e. the account you use to pay, which BOTB definitely checks.
People do win big more than once
https://www.lovemoney.com/gallerylist/76987/lotter...
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/apr/01/br...
And we don't know all the competitions he entered and didn't win.
https://www.lovemoney.com/gallerylist/76987/lotter...
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/apr/01/br...
And we don't know all the competitions he entered and didn't win.
V8mate said:
It's not just email address though, is it?
Your name is a second check - or do you want to try and explain why your name isn't your name when they call you tell you you've won?
A third check is the source of the game funding, i.e. the account you use to pay, which BOTB definitely checks.
Which is why I said it would stick out like a sore thumb on an entry list to be fair. Your name is a second check - or do you want to try and explain why your name isn't your name when they call you tell you you've won?
A third check is the source of the game funding, i.e. the account you use to pay, which BOTB definitely checks.
Like I said, purely speculating on possibilities.
Algarve said:
Smart enough to breach the security of 11 different companies, but stupid enough to personally claim the prize on each of them?
That doesn't sound legit... if someone could do that they'd have had 11 different 'winners' and this thread wouldn't exist, and they could keep doing whatever they were doing indefinitely.
It would also be extremely unlikely that someone cheating like that would claim £200, £500 prizes etc and bring more attention. Why not save the cheating for the 6 figure cars?
You are assuming they all use different systems. I would be curious to know if they are all on completely different tech stacks and whether they are all completely in-house or there is one common provider that links them all. It's certainly the first place i'd be looking.That doesn't sound legit... if someone could do that they'd have had 11 different 'winners' and this thread wouldn't exist, and they could keep doing whatever they were doing indefinitely.
It would also be extremely unlikely that someone cheating like that would claim £200, £500 prizes etc and bring more attention. Why not save the cheating for the 6 figure cars?
While the suitcase full of cash in the boot of the car looks great i'm pretty sure a win needs to be paid into a bank account at some point. It's not that easy to set up a bank account under a fake name.
I would suggest that winning lots of small competitions attracts very little attention and is probably a better way to get to £1m unnoticed than winning 2 or 3 big competitions in a few months. For all we know this guy could have been at this for months or years going unnoticed with smaller competitions. Just look at the playstation hack of 2011 where they took $1 from every account and nobody bat an eyelid initially.
It's far fetched but to me it's as believable as the guy just having a run of good luck and it's more believable than the companies being in on it. There's just no gain for them.
Edited by nunpuncher on Thursday 7th January 19:34
TriplePPP said:
As an example https://dreamvehiclegiveaways.com/wp-content/uploa...
He's just buying lots and lots of tickets.Hes going to win some. 11 since November. What if he's also lost 300 since November.
He's just gambling at a higher level than most and what most would deem sensible.
Not sure if this has been posted earlier but there’s a very good documentary on the systematic fraud that went on with the McDonald’s monopoly games, I don’t think there was a genuine jackpot winner for years.
It’s called “McMillions” and is a great watch, really shows how these competitions can be rigged.
It’s called “McMillions” and is a great watch, really shows how these competitions can be rigged.
Dan_1981 said:
He's just buying lots and lots of tickets.
Hes going to win some. 11 since November. What if he's also lost 300 since November.
He's just gambling at a higher level than most and what most would deem sensible.
Yes exactly, you could stack odds in your favour quite easily when they guarantee a draw and it hasn’t sold out Hes going to win some. 11 since November. What if he's also lost 300 since November.
He's just gambling at a higher level than most and what most would deem sensible.
CraigZR said:
Bit of an odd one for me personally, he's obviously sold the car as presumably he doesn't want it anymore or wants to upgrade to some new car (unless he was in some kind of financial situation that forced him to sell) so he's likely just won back a car he didn't want to own a few weeks earlier 
Dan_1981 said:
He's just buying lots and lots of tickets.
Hes going to win some. 11 since November. What if he's also lost 300 since November.
He's just gambling at a higher level than most and what most would deem sensible.
i get that, but i thought alot of these had limits per person, unless hes using diff names, accounts or whateverHes going to win some. 11 since November. What if he's also lost 300 since November.
He's just gambling at a higher level than most and what most would deem sensible.
TriplePPP said:
Algarve said:
We're now heading into tinfoil hat territory if you think 11 separate companies are going to form a criminal conspiracy that would be the end of their business if caught What do they gain from it? Sure its talked about on social media but it'll be putting people off playing if there's a whiff of cheating in the air
Agreed, if you do a google of his name and entry list, you can clearly see he enters a lot of competitions. I’m actually a bit put out he hasn’t entered one of ours! What do they gain from it? Sure its talked about on social media but it'll be putting people off playing if there's a whiff of cheating in the air There will be a splurge of Daily Mail compo faces over the next 12 months and lots of press coverage that will result in non charitable and repeat raffles coming under the GC umbrella.
Mirinjawbro said:
Dan_1981 said:
He's just buying lots and lots of tickets.
Hes going to win some. 11 since November. What if he's also lost 300 since November.
He's just gambling at a higher level than most and what most would deem sensible.
i get that, but i thought alot of these had limits per person, unless hes using diff names, accounts or whateverHes going to win some. 11 since November. What if he's also lost 300 since November.
He's just gambling at a higher level than most and what most would deem sensible.
You hear about these 11 as he's won on them. If they are the only 11 he's entered then it's miraculous. If however he's also entered 500 others without winning and splurged the max amount it's now not so much of a miracle.
Mirinjawbro said:
Dan_1981 said:
He's just buying lots and lots of tickets.
Hes going to win some. 11 since November. What if he's also lost 300 since November.
He's just gambling at a higher level than most and what most would deem sensible.
i get that, but i thought alot of these had limits per person, unless hes using diff names, accounts or whateverHes going to win some. 11 since November. What if he's also lost 300 since November.
He's just gambling at a higher level than most and what most would deem sensible.
SimonTheSailor said:
I won 200 quid game credit on BOTB a couple of weeks ago.
Last week I won £2.70 on the Euro lottery.
Last night I won a lucky dip on the Lotto.
Dreams can come true people
Dreams can come true.........
Lucky barsteward Last week I won £2.70 on the Euro lottery.
Last night I won a lucky dip on the Lotto.
Dreams can come true people
Dreams can come true.........
Edited by SimonTheSailor on Thursday 7th January 21:16
My theory is it's money laundering.
As others have said we only hear about those he wins. No matter how many tickets he buys, he's going to lose money. So why would you do it? If it's not hacking (and there's lots of different compos, so less likely), my guess would be money laundering with the losses being the % cost to do that.
I'm guessing the compos don't do any AML checks on the ticket purchases?
Just a theory mind.
As others have said we only hear about those he wins. No matter how many tickets he buys, he's going to lose money. So why would you do it? If it's not hacking (and there's lots of different compos, so less likely), my guess would be money laundering with the losses being the % cost to do that.
I'm guessing the compos don't do any AML checks on the ticket purchases?
Just a theory mind.
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