ICE ban clouds on the horizon. Are you out?
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RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
It's just progress. I love ICE, but I also think the benefit to my kids of clean air will be massive.
Really?? Can you guess which sector EV production and refuelling falls under?: http://www.air-quality.org.uk/08.phpDo you realise how clean a euro 6 petrol or diesel car is? Answer; very.
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
Terminator X said:
So you only care about pollution in your street?
We're talking about electric cars and their effect on street level pollution. I don't understand how you go from that to your statement above? It doesn't make any sense.TX.
Baldchap said:
Was just reading about the chap with 310,000 miles on his Tesla battery pack and minimal degradation.
I don't think with the modern ones it's an issue unless you're looking for a spares or repair job.
Battery Life ExpectancyI don't think with the modern ones it's an issue unless you're looking for a spares or repair job.
"Every battery in an electric car sold in the U.S. comes with a warranty that lasts for a minimum of eight years or up to 100,000 miles, says CarFax. For example, Kia offers a battery pack warranty for 10 years or 100,000 miles, while Hyundai provides a lifetime coverage of its electric cars' batteries.
This standard warranty is excellent, but remember to take a look at the fine print. Some manufacturers only cover the battery if it completely dies and cannot hold a charge, which does not happen often. Brands like BMW, Chevrolet, Tesla, Volkswagen, and Nissan will cover a battery pack if its capacity drops to a certain percentage, usually 60 to 70 percent.
One major point to remember about a car's expected battery is that heat and lithium-ion do not pair well together. Cars that are located in hotter climates will typically experience a faster battery depletion. This is why most electric vehicles are equipped with a liquid-cooled battery pack.
Another thing that can diminish batteries' lifespan is using Level 3 fast-charging stations. These stations can charge the battery up to 80% in 30 minutes, but they can also overheat the battery. Carfax warns that this can affect the battery's long-term performance and longevity."
ref: https://www.caranddriver.com/research/a31875141/el...
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
Terminator X said:
You mentioned street level pollution not the OP? All I said was that the air will still be polluted even if every car turned green overnight.
TX.
It'll be less polluted, which is a good thing, right?TX.
Baldchap said:
Was just reading about the chap with 310,000 miles on his Tesla battery pack and minimal degradation.
I don't think with the modern ones it's an issue unless you're looking for a spares or repair job.
I guess it's the same as ICE - if you're doing lots of long journeys (as the 310k miles suggests) the strain on the pack is minimal.I don't think with the modern ones it's an issue unless you're looking for a spares or repair job.
Lots of short stop-start journeys, especially in cold weather, will seriously degrade it.
thiscocks said:
If you assume every new car is EV powered then the impossibly massive increase in energy production from power stations needed to support it would easily negate the tiny amount of road pollutants created by new ICE vehicles. Thats not even talking about the global issues of mining for battery production, Co2 increase in li-ion battery production and battery disposal.
I'm not assuming anything, other than at street level EVs pollute less than ICE and that we're on a trajectory that will phase out the vast majority of ICE over the next couple of decades. RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
I'm not assuming anything, other than at street level EVs pollute less than ICE and that we're on a trajectory that will phase out the vast majority of ICE over the next couple of decades.
EVs generate more tyre particulate pollution than ICE cars. Particulates can be carcinogenic.
bigothunter said:
Landcrab_Six said:
bigothunter said:
If you are correct, that's excellent news 
But do you have evidence to endorse your bold statement that legislation has been dropped? Link(s) to relevant articles would be great
In literally every Euro VII document you can find on the first page of Google.But do you have evidence to endorse your bold statement that legislation has been dropped? Link(s) to relevant articles would be great
Rather than one journalistic opinion from 18 months ago.
Would you mind answering my question please?
It’ll just be like horses, steam engines etc are now. They are no longer transportation, it’s a hobby. ICE will go the same way.
Is that a good thing? Depends on tour viewpoint .
I almost leased a Nissan Leaf as it was cost cost neutral in terms of running costs to the BMW 335i I currently use as a daily. Not inciting fuel costs or whatever I could sell the BMW for.
Changed my mind at the last minute as even though I don’t do much driving at the minute, I’d miss the straight six, LSD and the occasional lairy drive.
Plenty of time to get an electric car, but rwd cars with fun engines less so.
Is that a good thing? Depends on tour viewpoint .
I almost leased a Nissan Leaf as it was cost cost neutral in terms of running costs to the BMW 335i I currently use as a daily. Not inciting fuel costs or whatever I could sell the BMW for.
Changed my mind at the last minute as even though I don’t do much driving at the minute, I’d miss the straight six, LSD and the occasional lairy drive.
Plenty of time to get an electric car, but rwd cars with fun engines less so.
Terminator X said:
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
Terminator X said:
So you only care about pollution in your street?
We're talking about electric cars and their effect on street level pollution. I don't understand how you go from that to your statement above? It doesn't make any sense.TX.
bigothunter said:
EVs generate more tyre particulate pollution than ICE cars..
No they don't. Go read the actual study that his suggestion came from. It's massively biased, makes eroneous assumptions, and been debunked numerous times.In reality, most EV owners suggest that the tyres on their EV last LONGER than on there ICE. This is for two main reasons:
1) They tend to drive EVs smoother (they suit a relaxed driving style
2) EVs load there tyres with far less torsional vibrations (because an electric motor pretty much produces a constant torque as it revolves, unlike an ICE that produces a massive torque spike each time a cylinder fires and then acts as a brake as the engine friction slows the crank back down again
3) Using regen brakign for most of your braking is massively smoother for the average driver (less jerky) because the system is controlling the rate of torque change,and hence unlike most drivers who are very clumsy with the controls, the effective tyre slip is less
4) Very fast traction control. EVs control torque roughly 1,000 times a second, and having true bi-directionality they can both apply a positive and negative torque in equal magnitude. As such, they have much, much better control of wheel slip which means less tyre wear (and why they are so fast on the 0-60 mph sprint, because they don't' spin their tyres!)
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