RE: Land Rover launches new 525hp Defender V8
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king load more when the vehicle isn't moving 
The Wookie said:
DonkeyApple said:
Plus another. 'But Bronco' seems to be the new battlecry. No longer do we care about the transport of dead sheep or even the ability to wave one's hose about with gay abandon, what seems absolutely critical this week is that the doors must lift off easily. I assume this is to facilitate the daily requirement of being able to roll out of one's vehicle and swiftly return fire?
Don’t be daft, it’s so you can get a better view of all those pesky boulders you have to drive over that are dotted around all over the fensNomduJour said:
300bhp/ton said:
If you are leaving it to the computer, then it needs slip before it can decide if it needs a locked diff. There are many occasions when the driver will know this before proceeding.
How many times per second is the driver analysing individual wheel slip?The G-class just seemed to haul itself dumbly along.
AmyRichardson said:
NomduJour said:
300bhp/ton said:
If you are leaving it to the computer, then it needs slip before it can decide if it needs a locked diff. There are many occasions when the driver will know this before proceeding.
How many times per second is the driver analysing individual wheel slip?The G-class just seemed to haul itself dumbly along.
To be fair the Land Rover Terrain Response is good. But it does require wheelslip to work, which is fine on some terrain and less ideal on others. Hence some 4x4's will use limited slip diffs and others full lockers. They both have benefits in different scenarios too.
Also worth noting that while MB might not market Terrain Response the same as JLR. They also have a host of electronic trickery too. As does pretty much every modern/modern'ish 4x4.
The G-Wagen however does have locking diffs - 2 of them. As does the Wrangler Rubicon (I think lower models can option a rear one) and the new Bronco also has front and rear lockers. All of these have TCS as well. The Bronco's is called GOAT (Go Over Any Terrain) and likely has its origins with the Land Rover one, as Ford owned Land Rover for a period of time. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if the base code is largely the same for both.
Lockers are superior off road - end of! Anyone disagreeing is just being obtuse for the sake of it.
This isn't to say other vehicles aren't good or capable. But there are still different levels of competence.
The fact JLR do not offer a front locker in 2021 is quite shocking really. And says a lot about how they view their vehicle and its place in the wider market.
300bhp/ton said:
PH User said:
The people who make them say that they are Defenders
So? Those same people also claimed the shape of a Defender was their unique IP. Which they lost in a court of law. And ironically the new Defender doesn't even match that shape anyway.300bhp/ton said:
PH User said:
But if Land rover say that this is their new Defender then that's what it is. A VW Golf is still a VW Golf even though it doesn't look like the old one.
Doesn't mean I have to agree with it either.300bhp/ton said:
Also worth noting that while MB might not market Terrain Response the same as JLR. They also have a host of electronic trickery too
As far as I’m aware - lock a diff in a current G Class and you turn off all other assistance (even locking the multi-plate centre diff, manually at least). The front and rear diffs aren’t active or even limited-slip, so unless they’re fully locked, you are relying entirely on traction control.300bhp/ton said:
The G-Wagen however does have locking diffs - 2 of them
The fact JLR do not offer a front locker in 2021 is quite shocking really. And says a lot about how they view their vehicle and its place in the wider market.
A G Class still has three driver-lockable diffs, because that’s pretty much its only USP. There are very, very few new cars with three old-fashioned locking diffs (and, as you know, no Land Rover has ever had a factory locking front diff). The fact JLR do not offer a front locker in 2021 is quite shocking really. And says a lot about how they view their vehicle and its place in the wider market.
If the answer to every single situation was a simple locked or unlocked diff, everything would have that option, because it would be an awful lot cheaper to manufacture and develop than electronically-controlled limited slip/locking diffs used in combination with traction control. But they don’t.
300bhp/ton said:
PH User said:
If the people making them call them that then that's what they are.
You might not like that,
but it doesn't change anything.
And again... doesn't mean I have to agree. Which bit aren't you getting You might not like that,
but it doesn't change anything.
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