RE: 2024 Rolls-Royce Spectre | UK Review
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GT9 said:
I know, impressive isn't it.
Given that it probably saves 5 tons of CO2 coming out of the tailpipe every year.
That's what you meant yeah?
It will save nothing with the mileage these do. I just looked at the Wraith classifieds, these do an average 4000 miles per year. In other words, the equivalent of 15 battery cycles. These batteries will die on age, not mileage, and will do 15 years if being lucky. Or about 200 cycles… and these are optimistic assumptions! Given that it probably saves 5 tons of CO2 coming out of the tailpipe every year.
That's what you meant yeah?
There’s no way for such a use to be called planet saving or CO2 saving. I’d be interested in knowing where the savings offset the initial CO2 consumption, expressed in battery cycles, but I imagine it would be about 400-500 cycles, as typical calculations involve 8-10 thousand miles per year.
If you factor in the use of natural resources, it is easy to conclude that these heated garages works of art should remain with ICE.
That being said, saving the planet is NOT what the buyers of a Spectre want. And for their customers, I’m pretty sure they will be wonderful!
GT9 said:
theicemario said:
GT9 said:
It should be relatively obvious by now that there are some fundamental differences between an electric powertrain and a conventional ICE powertrain in the way mass is distributed in the car in three dimensions, how the torque is applied and how if all affect the dynamics.
On another thread moments ago...
T1berious said:
So we made the switch to EV a few years ago (Jan 22), full disclosure, I was waiting for a build slot for a Cayman. However for just shy of a year our only car was an EV.
So if I could have only have one Car it would be an EV and it would be this....
Taycan GTS Sport Turismo, had as a loan while the Cayman was in for service.
This thing was brilliant! Cornered on rails and was a delight on less than ideal roads (Think it had air suspension and rear wheel steer). Was witchcraft how it shrank around corners and felt as flat as the Cayman.
Yup, for 95% of our journeys an EV makes sense but we've got a drive and a 7Kw charger so it's a no brainer (even more so if you have a cheap overnight electricity tarriff).
Evo gave it 4.5 stars, quite a good review. They also said " For an EV the Taycan is well resolved, but lighter, ICE-powered saloons and estates on conventional springs have greater breadth and consistency. The same is true of the brakes – the low-speed calibration could be slicker and the pedal lacks the reassuring bite and modulation found in Porsche’s conventional performance cars"So if I could have only have one Car it would be an EV and it would be this....
Taycan GTS Sport Turismo, had as a loan while the Cayman was in for service.
This thing was brilliant! Cornered on rails and was a delight on less than ideal roads (Think it had air suspension and rear wheel steer). Was witchcraft how it shrank around corners and felt as flat as the Cayman.
Yup, for 95% of our journeys an EV makes sense but we've got a drive and a 7Kw charger so it's a no brainer (even more so if you have a cheap overnight electricity tarriff).
You can dig around as much as you want, inertia will always be a limiting factor at these weights for EVs, until supercapacitors and production methods drastically reduce mass.
Dombilano said:
GT9 said:
S600BSB said:
5.5m and 3 tonnes…
I know, impressive isn't it.Given that it probably saves 5 tons of CO2 coming out of the tailpipe every year.
That's what you meant yeah?
You know what would be impressive? Under 2 tonnes with an efficient petrol hybrid system, GPF and ethically sourced battery heavy metals.
Alas, it's just a t
tmobile with a fancy name raspy said:
Dombilano said:
GT9 said:
S600BSB said:
5.5m and 3 tonnes…
I know, impressive isn't it.Given that it probably saves 5 tons of CO2 coming out of the tailpipe every year.
That's what you meant yeah?
You know what would be impressive? Under 2 tonnes with an efficient petrol hybrid system, GPF and ethically sourced battery heavy metals.
Alas, it's just a t
tmobile with a fancy name Dombilano said:
Evo gave it 4.5 stars, quite a good review. They also said " For an EV the Taycan is well resolved, but lighter, ICE-powered saloons and estates on conventional springs have greater breadth and consistency. The same is true of the brakes – the low-speed calibration could be slicker and the pedal lacks the reassuring bite and modulation found in Porsche’s conventional performance cars"
You can dig around as much as you want, inertia will always be a limiting factor at these weights for EVs, until supercapacitors and production methods drastically reduce mass.
Could you post the EVO article link to this new 2024 model Taycan as all i can find is a 2023 review and a quick synopsis of the Turbo GT and GT Weissach.You can dig around as much as you want, inertia will always be a limiting factor at these weights for EVs, until supercapacitors and production methods drastically reduce mass.
Dombilano said:
raspy said:
Dombilano said:
GT9 said:
S600BSB said:
5.5m and 3 tonnes…
I know, impressive isn't it.Given that it probably saves 5 tons of CO2 coming out of the tailpipe every year.
That's what you meant yeah?
You know what would be impressive? Under 2 tonnes with an efficient petrol hybrid system, GPF and ethically sourced battery heavy metals.
Alas, it's just a t
tmobile with a fancy name Weight is not relevant for this section of the market.
Dombilano said:
Evo gave it 4.5 stars, quite a good review. They also said " For an EV the Taycan is well resolved, but lighter, ICE-powered saloons and estates on conventional springs have greater breadth and consistency. The same is true of the brakes – the low-speed calibration could be slicker and the pedal lacks the reassuring bite and modulation found in Porsche’s conventional performance cars"
You can dig around as much as you want, inertia will always be a limiting factor at these weights for EVs, until supercapacitors and production methods drastically reduce mass.
I’m guessing you’ve never driven a well-resolved EV?You can dig around as much as you want, inertia will always be a limiting factor at these weights for EVs, until supercapacitors and production methods drastically reduce mass.
Far easier to adopt an entrenched position of EV=s
t based on what you’ve read.Go for a test drive in a Taycan, there’s hardly a shortage of used ones available, you might be surprised.
Nomme de Plum said:
Dombilano said:
Evo gave it 4.5 stars, quite a good review. They also said " For an EV the Taycan is well resolved, but lighter, ICE-powered saloons and estates on conventional springs have greater breadth and consistency. The same is true of the brakes – the low-speed calibration could be slicker and the pedal lacks the reassuring bite and modulation found in Porsche’s conventional performance cars"
You can dig around as much as you want, inertia will always be a limiting factor at these weights for EVs, until supercapacitors and production methods drastically reduce mass.
Could you post the EVO article link to this new 2024 model Taycan as all i can find is a 2023 review and a quick synopsis of the Turbo GT and GT Weissach.You can dig around as much as you want, inertia will always be a limiting factor at these weights for EVs, until supercapacitors and production methods drastically reduce mass.
gonzales_turbo said:
It will save nothing with the mileage these do. I just looked at the Wraith classifieds, these do an average 4000 miles per year. In other words, the equivalent of 15 battery cycles. These batteries will die on age, not mileage, and will do 15 years if being lucky. Or about 200 cycles… and these are optimistic assumptions!
There’s no way for such a use to be called planet saving or CO2 saving. I’d be interested in knowing where the savings offset the initial CO2 consumption, expressed in battery cycles, but I imagine it would be about 400-500 cycles, as typical calculations involve 8-10 thousand miles per year.
If you factor in the use of natural resources, it is easy to conclude that these heated garages works of art should remain with ICE.
That being said, saving the planet is NOT what the buyers of a Spectre want. And for their customers, I’m pretty sure they will be wonderful!
Using 2024 metrics you’re possibly correct. Breakevens, however, are not fixed metrics, they depend entirely on where you are in the timeline.There’s no way for such a use to be called planet saving or CO2 saving. I’d be interested in knowing where the savings offset the initial CO2 consumption, expressed in battery cycles, but I imagine it would be about 400-500 cycles, as typical calculations involve 8-10 thousand miles per year.
If you factor in the use of natural resources, it is easy to conclude that these heated garages works of art should remain with ICE.
That being said, saving the planet is NOT what the buyers of a Spectre want. And for their customers, I’m pretty sure they will be wonderful!
Do the same analysis for a 2024 car still in use in 2040 or a new car built in 2030 or 2035 and the EV version will win out.
Electrification is about a multi-decade trajectory to arrive somewhere better longer term. There are no instant fixes in this game, some patience and ability to be forward-looking is required though.
GT9 said:
Dombilano said:
Evo gave it 4.5 stars, quite a good review. They also said " For an EV the Taycan is well resolved, but lighter, ICE-powered saloons and estates on conventional springs have greater breadth and consistency. The same is true of the brakes – the low-speed calibration could be slicker and the pedal lacks the reassuring bite and modulation found in Porsche’s conventional performance cars"
You can dig around as much as you want, inertia will always be a limiting factor at these weights for EVs, until supercapacitors and production methods drastically reduce mass.
I’m guessing you’ve never driven a well-resolved EV?You can dig around as much as you want, inertia will always be a limiting factor at these weights for EVs, until supercapacitors and production methods drastically reduce mass.
Far easier to adopt an entrenched position of EV=s
t based on what you’ve read.Go for a test drive in a Taycan, there’s hardly a shortage of used ones available, you might be surprised.
Dombilano said:
That is the old model. The new Taycan has only just been released.
I had a 2021 version 4S. Not too shabby. Other than cars like the Atom, BAC Mono, Caterham etc. for everyday personal transport the EV is already on par with most ICEs but quicker and still developing rapidly.
Nomme de Plum said:
Dombilano said:
That is the old model. The new Taycan has only just been released.
I had a 2021 version 4S. Not too shabby. Other than cars like the Atom, BAC Mono, Caterham etc. for everyday personal transport the EV is already on par with most ICEs but quicker and still developing rapidly.
Dombilano said:
I don't want one though. I've driven a Polestar performance and it's not nice. I considered a Model 3 a while ago, but the charging network just puts me off. Ask me again in 10 years.
Most people when they critique something normally add some detail. "Not nice" is a bit vague. I do wonder how EV owners do long trips to Italy, Spain, Ski trips etc etc to my friends with their Tesla 3s and other EVs towing dinghies all over the place for competitions. Perhaps they know better and are a bit more open minded forward thinking types.
Dombilano said:
I don't want one though. I've driven a Polestar performance and its not nice. I considered a Model 3 a while ago, but the charging network just puts me off. Ask me again in 10 years.
Fair enough, but if you want to see the improvements to battery technology and production methods you’ve asked for, what is gained from bad-mouthing early adopter EVs and their owners?
Nomme de Plum said:
Dombilano said:
I don't want one though. I've driven a Polestar performance and it's not nice. I considered a Model 3 a while ago, but the charging network just puts me off. Ask me again in 10 years.
Most people when they critique something normally add some detail. "Not nice" is a bit vague. I do wonder how EV owners do long trips to Italy, Spain, Ski trips etc etc to my friends with their Tesla 3s and other EVs towing dinghies all over the place for competitions. Perhaps they know better and are a bit more open minded forward thinking types.
Not nice = heavy, slow past 100mph, cheap seats, duff brakes. Do you want a full review or just being facetious?
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