RE: SOTW: MG-F 1.8 VVC
Discussion
K321 said:
its a car for chav girls
in fact all Rovers are driven by chavs or old people
Well that's me convinced.in fact all Rovers are driven by chavs or old people
How old do I have to be? I don't have any gold jewelry or a tracksuit.
(don't more old people drive Vauxhalls with Saab badges and Volvos?)
Edited by Speed addicted on Sunday 5th December 11:20
Speed addicted said:
K321 said:
its a car for chav girls
in fact all Rovers are driven by chavs or old people
Well that's me convinced.in fact all Rovers are driven by chavs or old people
How old do I have to be? I don't have any gold jewelry or a tracksuit.
Good question.
I don't actually drive a Rover, but I have lots of Rover bits and this on the back:
Should I be applying for a bus pass or getting a dog called 'Ghost Faced Killa' init?
K321 said:
speedaddicted . you are wrong. most saabs and volvos are not even driven by English people as they dont sell a lot of cars in the uk. rovers though..are always boughtg by old people or chavs, i will take some pictures and stick them on here to prove it
Absolutely, I mean just look at this old duffer.
Just becuase certain cars are fairly hopeless doesn't mean 'every car' they made was BTW.
K321 said:
speedaddicted . you are wrong. most saabs and volvos are not even driven by English people as they dont sell a lot of cars in the uk. rovers though..are always boughtg by old people or chavs, i will take some pictures and stick them on here to prove it
This should be fun. Proving that Rovers are ALWAYS bought by old people or chavs means a picture of every Rover currently on the road then. Top generalisation.
Nigel Worc's said:
I wouldn't piss on it if it was on fire.
Nor would I. Urinating on cars to put out fires is not advisable. If safe to do so use an extinguisher. To think, I might just have saved you from embarrassing and painful burns.Nigel Worc's said:
Get a cheap Z3, enjoy some proper build quality and engineering
BMW Z3? Quality? You're kidding. I've not seen a worse interior than that since FSO made cars. On the M Roadster I tried (main agent, FSH, £16K) bits literally dropped off during the test drive. Decent driving position and glorious engine but it's in the wrong car.I bought the TF as a cheap inbetweener as I couldn't find anything I particularly liked to replace my MR2 MK2. A couple of years ago at 16-18K Boxsters were pretty risky; they still are but you don't pay anywhere near as much for a good'un.
In anycase with the right tyres the handling is leagues ahead of the MR2, which also was very dependent on rubber. With the wrong tyres both cars can be a bit skittish. Massively better brakes, which don't fade and seize up as soon as you try to use them.
Yes the cabin isn't as good as a '2 but it's better than an MX5 or Z3 and while build isn't perfect reliability is far superior to the MR2; which frequency ate money in £400 and £800 chunks (a couple of £1200 and £1600 bills too). If only they'd made the seats 2" lower it would be a fantastic car. A couple of hundred extra on the cabin would certainly have helped.
Like all cheap cars people skimp on maintenance and there are a lot of ropey examples but buy with care and keep £500 aside in case of HGF and you can have a lot of cheap fun.
I genuinely don't think I'd have had more fun if I had spent 17-18K on a Z4 and would certainly have lost more than all the money I paid for the MG and spent on it
so far.
I think some aspects of comparing cars are subjective, such as whether you think it looks nice or handles the way you enjoy. Others are not. Saying that Rover built an interior better then the MX5 is just nonsense. I could claim one of my Alfas is more reliable then a modern Honda, but that would be just wishful thinking cos I own one and want to defend it.
I had to adjust my friends handbrake on her MGF in the Autumn, which means taking off various trim and adjusting a few nuts behind the gearstick. The thing is built like a kids craft project! Woeful. (And I own an 80's Lotus - I know an "after-thought" glue and felt interior design when I see it!!!)
I had to adjust my friends handbrake on her MGF in the Autumn, which means taking off various trim and adjusting a few nuts behind the gearstick. The thing is built like a kids craft project! Woeful. (And I own an 80's Lotus - I know an "after-thought" glue and felt interior design when I see it!!!)
Edited by LotusAlfaV6bloke on Sunday 5th December 17:56
LotusAlfaV6bloke said:
I think some aspects of comparing cars are subjective, such as whether you think it looks nice or handles the way you enjoy. Others are not. Saying that Rover built an interior better then the MX5 is just nonsense. I could claim one of my Alfas is more reliable then a modern Honda, but that would be just wishful thinking cos I own one and want to defend it.
I had to adjust my friends handbrake on her MGF in the Autumn, which means taking off various trim and adjusting a few nuts behind the gearstick. The thing is built like a kids craft project! Woeful.
I had to adjust my friends handbrake on her MGF in the Autumn, which means taking off various trim and adjusting a few nuts behind the gearstick. The thing is built like a kids craft project! Woeful.
I'm not saying the MG's interior is better than the Mazda's; they're both very cheaply built. Unless you mean the current MX5 which is a league ahead but sadly unavailable for shed money.
Both MG and Mazda felt sturdier than those Z3's (I looked at a couple of Ms) but again the Z4 was at another level.
I reckon you'll get a better 'F for a grand than you will a '5 but in either case there's plenty to look out for. (HGF on MG, sills on Mazda)
Comparing the MG to an MX-5 I reckon the interior design and quality of both is equal - poor to average. Other than the grotty dashboard and switchgear I think the F is a really tidy looking car, the TF better still.
Then comparing their most common issues - MG HGF with MX-5 corrosion I would always choose the MG. If the HG is replaced and upgraded correctly you will be O.K but what can you do with a perforated MX-5 body? I've seen loads of MX-5 cars that have undersides made entirely of iron oxide.
Then comparing their most common issues - MG HGF with MX-5 corrosion I would always choose the MG. If the HG is replaced and upgraded correctly you will be O.K but what can you do with a perforated MX-5 body? I've seen loads of MX-5 cars that have undersides made entirely of iron oxide.
andymadmak said:
Ninjaboy said:
Nigel Worc's said:
no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no
IT'S ROVER s
tE, they went bust for a reason .....their cars were pathetic.
That K series .... well, enough said !
I wouldn't piss on it if it was on fire.
Get a cheap Z3, enjoy some proper build quality and engineering
Would someone post the chassis stiffness chart please and show the Z3's "proper engineering" please.IT'S ROVER s
tE, they went bust for a reason .....their cars were pathetic.That K series .... well, enough said !
I wouldn't piss on it if it was on fire.
Get a cheap Z3, enjoy some proper build quality and engineering
Lots of people like Nige around..
I've never bought a beemer with less than 80,000 on it, and I've never had to replace springs, clutch, master & slace cylinders, head gasket, I've never had to clean out faulty drains so the cpu doesn't drown, I've never had to replace coils because the plug caps were rotting, etc etc etc ...... even when I've taken them to 200,000 miles.
But like you say ..... I'm just biased, I only owned the poxy thing for nine months.....I couldn't afford its running costs !
oh ... and..... three of the four beemers I've owned were older than the "over"
If these heaps of s
te were any good, why isn't the company still going ..... huh ?Nigel Worc's said:
If these heaps of ste were any good, why isn't the company still going ..... huh ?
From what I've read there wasn't enough of MG Rover left to be a feasible business by the time the new products had been retained or sold by BMW along with all it's new factory capacity. It's almost as if they were supposed to fail.te were any good, why isn't the company still going ..... huh ?Sadly, even I have to acknowledge that Lotus are hardly market leaders in "wise parts-bin engineering decisions", so their "chucking the K-series in the Elise until a better unit came along" mentality will surprise no one.
Also, there is no way that Japanese production lines in the 90s were churning out mass produced cars to the low standards of the MGF interior - that is just not correct. Anyone one who has ever had to remove the centre vents in an MX5 knows that the greatest minds did not go into how to take it a part if you need to (!!), but the materials quality, sturdiness, and construction techniques kick Rover's behind on all levels.
Also, there is no way that Japanese production lines in the 90s were churning out mass produced cars to the low standards of the MGF interior - that is just not correct. Anyone one who has ever had to remove the centre vents in an MX5 knows that the greatest minds did not go into how to take it a part if you need to (!!), but the materials quality, sturdiness, and construction techniques kick Rover's behind on all levels.
LotusAlfaV6bloke said:
Also, there is no way that Japanese production lines in the 90s were churning out mass produced cars to the low standards of the MGF interior - that is just not correct. Anyone one who has ever had to remove the centre vents in an MX5 knows that the greatest minds did not go into how to take it a part if you need to (!!), but the materials quality, sturdiness, and construction techniques kick Rover's behind on all levels.
Don't think the Jap' cars have that great an interior, just the usual black plastic.MR2:
MX5:
MGTF:
I've been looking at cars around the £3000 mark and all of the above have been considered, but at this price you seem to get a lot more MG for your money ie. lower mileage, faster, better apparent condition.
Edited by Colin 1985 on Monday 6th December 02:53
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