BMW M2 Accident
Discussion
zarjaz1991 said:
TheJimi said:
On the back of your comments, I went back to the beginning of the thread and watched that clip.
Christ, that was fast. Way too fast, for the road and proximity to pedestrians.
The witch hunt aspect still makes me uncomfortable but equally, I see why.
It's not a witch hunt. He should be in jail for what he did, that's all.Christ, that was fast. Way too fast, for the road and proximity to pedestrians.
The witch hunt aspect still makes me uncomfortable but equally, I see why.
Fancy responding -
TheJimi said:
zarjaz1991 said:
itcaptainslow said:
Spot on. I think most of us will be thinking “That *could* have been me”, maybe not quite to the degree of this chap (mainly I suspect due to us only having a third or less of the power at our disposal at the time of our stupidity) but at some point we ALL will have got carried away at the wheel of a car.
A sobering read for a petrolhead, whether you’re a sanctimonious type or not...
Anyone thinking “that could have been me” regarding that accident, needs to urgently rethink their driving habits.A sobering read for a petrolhead, whether you’re a sanctimonious type or not...
If it’s “to a lesser degree” then it COULDN’T have been them, because it’s the scenario and the poor driving and the speed that are what makes this offence what it is.
Nothing sanctimonious about it. I don’t ever want to be sharing roads with anyone who thinks this bloke’s driving was ok and might try it themselves.
Please directly quote where anyone on this thread has said anything to the effect of - “this bloke’s driving was ok and might try it themselves”.
Secondly, no-one is necessarily saying that this could have been them. Rather I would suggest that many of us have done stupid stuff in cars, and with the benefit of experience, hindsight and just plain old having grown up, we’re pondering those actions by thinking “if that had gone wrong…”
So no, anyone thinking the above doesn’t need to “urgently rethink their driving habits”, unless they habitually do dangerous and stupid stuff.
Oh, sanctimoniousness? You posts are dripping with it.
Tim bo said:
Disagree. There is a simple threshold here and it is a legal one.
If the police see fit to press charges, then it is not an accident. And as such any insurance policy held by the perpetrator is at that point void.
Disagree all you like. You're wrong (said by someone convicted of dangerous driving, writing their car off in the process, and being paid out on full, without question). If the police see fit to press charges, then it is not an accident. And as such any insurance policy held by the perpetrator is at that point void.
GTI16V said:
Just stumbled across this s thread and all I can say is "f
k me, what a tt!!!"
What was he thinking? A 22 year old driving a lairy, 400bhp car along a narrow, bumpy lane with bystanders at what must be three figures.
Complete fking insanity.
Erm you've just described Rallying in the 70's - 90'sk me, what a tt!!!" What was he thinking? A 22 year old driving a lairy, 400bhp car along a narrow, bumpy lane with bystanders at what must be three figures.
Complete f
king insanity.The difference is talent - or lack of
V8RX7 said:
GTI16V said:
Just stumbled across this s thread and all I can say is "fk me, what a tt!!!"
What was he thinking? A 22 year old driving a lairy, 400bhp car along a narrow, bumpy lane with bystanders at what must be three figures.
Complete fking insanity.
Erm you've just described Rallying in the 70's - 90'sk me, what a tt!!!" What was he thinking? A 22 year old driving a lairy, 400bhp car along a narrow, bumpy lane with bystanders at what must be three figures.
Complete f
king insanity.The difference is talent - or lack of
t Sherlock! 
V8RX7 said:
GTI16V said:
Just stumbled across this s thread and all I can say is "fk me, what a tt!!!"
What was he thinking? A 22 year old driving a lairy, 400bhp car along a narrow, bumpy lane with bystanders at what must be three figures.
Complete fking insanity.
Erm you've just described Rallying in the 70's - 90'sk me, what a tt!!!" What was he thinking? A 22 year old driving a lairy, 400bhp car along a narrow, bumpy lane with bystanders at what must be three figures.
Complete f
king insanity.The difference is talent - or lack of
Barga said:
Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:
Monkeylegend said:
BrassMan said:
We all know that cars are dangerous and accept that people die because of them, but nearly all of us drive, so we accept it. I've never had a pub fight, so someone dying in one is a shock. Look at a thread on a cyclist who has killed a pedestrian, there are only a few a year so it's a shock which meatheads can get excited about.
Should I be getting rid of my cats then, you have me worried now.
I'll edit it here.
BrassMan said:
Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:
SimonTheSailor said:
daytonavrs said:
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But its important we know about things like this.
Daresay they should be some kind of petition for a retrial or something, its disgusting
Compared to this thread starter where something worse "could have happened" and he got off no better - well they shouldn't sentence on the basis of woula coulda crimes, this ain't minority reports.
But something like that one seems to be a travesty when he actually killed 2 people high while driving ( compared to this one the guy on that comes across more saintly - or maybe only just), and reinforces different application of the law depending on your standing in society or how much money you have - the law is an arse.
Edited by daytonavrs on Saturday 9th February 21:14
zarjaz1991 said:
aaron_2000 said:
Yep, make a criminal out of a young moron that put his foot down. A very intelligent idea.
Well his behaviour WAS criminal and also exceedingly dangerous, so yes it IS a very intelligent idea. to show off to people and lost control of the car he probably should't have had, and you'd like to take that person and turn them into a criminal with absolutely no prospects because he did something stupid like everyone young driver? Except you of course, from what we can see you've probably never had an ounce of fun in your life. Thankfully, the judge had a little more insight that you. aaron_2000 said:
zarjaz1991 said:
aaron_2000 said:
Yep, make a criminal out of a young moron that put his foot down. A very intelligent idea.
Well his behaviour WAS criminal and also exceedingly dangerous, so yes it IS a very intelligent idea. to show off to people and lost control of the car he probably should't have had, and you'd like to take that person and turn them into a criminal with absolutely no prospects because he did something stupid like everyone young driver? Except you of course, from what we can see you've probably never had an ounce of fun in your life. Thankfully, the judge had a little more insight that you. Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:
aaron_2000 said:
zarjaz1991 said:
aaron_2000 said:
Yep, make a criminal out of a young moron that put his foot down. A very intelligent idea.
Well his behaviour WAS criminal and also exceedingly dangerous, so yes it IS a very intelligent idea. to show off to people and lost control of the car he probably should't have had, and you'd like to take that person and turn them into a criminal with absolutely no prospects because he did something stupid like everyone young driver? Except you of course, from what we can see you've probably never had an ounce of fun in your life. Thankfully, the judge had a little more insight that you. aaron_2000 said:
However you justify yourself. I'll put it a different way. Take someone who's probably well educated, probably has quite a good career ahead of him, someone who's evidently been raised in a rich family and given nice things, someone who drove like a to show off to people and lost control of the car he probably should't have had, and you'd like to take that person and turn them into a criminal with absolutely no prospects because he did something stupid like everyone young driver? Except you of course, from what we can see you've probably never had an ounce of fun in your life. Thankfully, the judge had a little more insight that you.
It's hard to decipher your post but, I think it goes - he's rich and he was having a laugh, so he should be let off. Is that right? to show off to people and lost control of the car he probably should't have had, and you'd like to take that person and turn them into a criminal with absolutely no prospects because he did something stupid like everyone young driver? Except you of course, from what we can see you've probably never had an ounce of fun in your life. Thankfully, the judge had a little more insight that you. aaron_2000 said:
I'm not arguing that, I'm saying that it would be a waste to send him to prison, despite Mr Sunshine disagreeing.
What it looks like you are saying is he should be above the law because his family is wealthy. He hasn't actually done anything to help society himself he was just fortunate to have been born in to cash. He is no different than a barry boy racing around the streets in a £1k st box and should be treated the same. aaron_2000 said:
However you justify yourself. I'll put it a different way. Take someone who's probably well educated, probably has quite a good career ahead of him, someone who's evidently been raised in a rich family and given nice things, someone who drove like a to show off to people and lost control of the car he probably should't have had, and you'd like to take that person and turn them into a criminal with absolutely no prospects because he did something stupid like everyone young driver? Except you of course, from what we can see you've probably never had an ounce of fun in your life. Thankfully, the judge had a little more insight that you.
What does the fact that he is rich have to do with it? Do rich people have more leeway than poor people when it comes to driving poorly and crashing into trees and injuring their passenger? to show off to people and lost control of the car he probably should't have had, and you'd like to take that person and turn them into a criminal with absolutely no prospects because he did something stupid like everyone young driver? Except you of course, from what we can see you've probably never had an ounce of fun in your life. Thankfully, the judge had a little more insight that you. I'm not sure that a short custodial sentence would turn someone into a criminal with absolutely no prospects. I mean Corey McAlpine now has a dangerous driving conviction splashed across all of Google, so it's not like there's much of a difference.
Those of us calling for harsh punishment probably have had plenty of fun in our lives - the proper way. I've driven a lot faster than 112mph in a car that's more capable than the M2 ... on track... like a normal, intelligent person.
janesmith1950 said:
isagree all you like. You're wrong (said by someone convicted of dangerous driving, writing their car off in the process, and being paid out on full, without question).
And aren't you proud of it.aaron_2000 said:
zarjaz1991 said:
aaron_2000 said:
Yep, make a criminal out of a young moron that put his foot down. A very intelligent idea.
Well his behaviour WAS criminal and also exceedingly dangerous, so yes it IS a very intelligent idea. to show off to people and lost control of the car he probably should't have had, and you'd like to take that person and turn them into a criminal with absolutely no prospects because he did something stupid like everyone young driver? Except you of course, from what we can see you've probably never had an ounce of fun in your life. Thankfully, the judge had a little more insight that you. ts having free reign to blast around at will without much repercussion. It this tt in the M2 was put away for a few years then it would make others think twice before doing something similar, therefore saving more people from serious injury and death. He deserves a criminal record, he made the choice and should pay the price. He’s lucky it didn’t turn out worse than it did. There is place to drive like that and it is not on a public road. I’ve had fun on the road in a car when younger but not to the extent this drove. I really cannot fathom why you think he should be not made a criminal, his actions could have resulted in many deaths, it’s only by luck it didn’t.James_B said:
I wonder what a 22 year-old does to have an M2. Presumably not a graduate, as they tend to leave university at 22 with big debts, but what sort of job lets you leave school at sixteen or eighteen nowadays and earn enough for what's close to £50k once you put some options on it.
Lots of oil workers up there - they make good money. Throw in cheap finance and it's not unusual up there to see a young 'un in a car like that. aaron_2000 said:
However you justify yourself. I'll put it a different way. Take someone who's probably well educated, probably has quite a good career ahead of him, someone who's evidently been raised in a rich family and given nice things, someone who drove like a to show off to people and lost control of the car he probably should't have had, and you'd like to take that person and turn them into a criminal with absolutely no prospects because he did something stupid like everyone young driver? Except you of course, from what we can see you've probably never had an ounce of fun in your life. Thankfully, the judge had a little more insight that you.
He turned himself into a criminal by his criminal act of driving in a criminal fashion. to show off to people and lost control of the car he probably should't have had, and you'd like to take that person and turn them into a criminal with absolutely no prospects because he did something stupid like everyone young driver? Except you of course, from what we can see you've probably never had an ounce of fun in your life. Thankfully, the judge had a little more insight that you. Killboy said:
A 7 year ban? I think that's enough punishment for any petrol head. I think I'd have asked for jail time rather.
It should have been a jail sentence with a long ban to follow upon release.Liking cars should be no mitigation on the sentence. All the more reason not to drive like an idiot in the first place, perhaps.
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