Middle Lane Drivers, Do they Ever Notice?
Discussion
Vipers said:
It’s a good job cars don’t have limiters, if they did some motorists would have something to moan about.
I always have and always will give HGV’s priority they have a hard job to do .
But the trend is distinctly towards rigid speed limiters. Doubt whether UK can escape this indefinitely.
Then cars will struggle to overtake each other just like trucks, except we will be travelling at 69.8 and 69.9mph
Speed kills - Kill your speed
carlo996 said:
911hope said:
The mid lane hog is gaining nothing.
The beloved HGV driver is attempting to do something that he has no hope of achieving. Doing the same fruitless action every day and achieving nothing.
Will they ever learn?
How many HGV’s have you driven?The beloved HGV driver is attempting to do something that he has no hope of achieving. Doing the same fruitless action every day and achieving nothing.
Will they ever learn?
911hope said:
Heaveho said:
How much time are your beloved mlm's saving themselves or anyone else by being in the wrong lane? As if that was the real issue. As said, at least an HGV driver overtaking is attempting to make progress, so has a semblance of purpose, however futile that attempt sometimes is. And always pulls back in afterwards, rather than remaining in the wrong lane endlessly.
The mid lane hog is gaining nothing.The beloved HGV driver is attempting to do something that he has no hope of achieving. Doing the same fruitless action every day and achieving nothing.
Will they ever learn?
It is unfortunately common that the snail race between HGVs occur. They are little different than those who decide to drive in the middle lane. Many HGV drivers know before they pull out their pass will not succeed or maybe they don't and a re just a bit dense.
They are an inconvenience but one has to ask of all the issues that a person encounters in life are they other than a really minor annoyance.
It seems that there are people that feel the need to point out the speck in another's eye without seeing the plank in their own.
Maybe if they removed that plank they would become more tolerant.
I'm non remotely religious btw.
For those continually complaining here What difference does your continued posting make?
bigothunter said:
Oi - I've asked 911hope that question already but he hasn't answered yet. These things take time
It’s amazing that anyone with a single working brain cell would not be able to differentiate between a HGV and car. Yes, snail racing can be annoying but you make allowances because there’s an underlying reason. carlo996 said:
bigothunter said:
Oi - I've asked 911hope that question already but he hasn't answered yet. These things take time
It’s amazing that anyone with a single working brain cell would not be able to differentiate between a HGV and car. Yes, snail racing can be annoying but you make allowances because there’s an underlying reason. Question: Do educated people with high intelligence become an HGV drivers as a norm?
carlo996 said:
It’s amazing that anyone with a single working brain cell would not be able to differentiate between a HGV and car. Yes, snail racing can be annoying but you make allowances because there’s an underlying reason.
That reason being that they haven't twigged that they are prevented from doing the act that they are attempting and that it is pointless. The final ingredient is that they don't care about the congestion and danger they cause.Nomme de Plum said:
HGV drivers in the main are highly skilled but that is not necessarily the same as high intellect.
It is unfortunately common that the snail race between HGVs occur. They are little different than those who decide to drive in the middle lane. Many HGV drivers know before they pull out their pass will not succeed or maybe they don't and a re just a bit dense.
It's not quite that simple. I hold a Class 1 HGV licence gained many years ago.It is unfortunately common that the snail race between HGVs occur. They are little different than those who decide to drive in the middle lane. Many HGV drivers know before they pull out their pass will not succeed or maybe they don't and a re just a bit dense.
Overtaking ability depends on terrain. Fully laden trucks will not maintain 56mph on hills. Overtaking a slower truck unravels if it has a higher power/weight ratio and an incline is encountered. Making this judgement before attempting to overtake is difficult nigh on impossible. Dumb speed limiters make the situation worse.
That's why trucks jockey for position in Lanes 1 and 2.
911 hope
re your comment
Scenario.......
A14 2 lane DC. Truck decided he can go marginally faster than the 20 trucks in front of him, so pulls out to overtake.
To hell with the cars that were dong 70 in that lane... they have to brake to avoid the accident!
Reference above the cars doing 70 should have anticipated the hgv intending to pull out and slowed sufficiently to not have to brake(" to avoid the accident")
It is the same with cars pulling out to overtake , How many other car drivers have to brake to avoid the collision,!! Looking ahead instead of at the road 1 foot in front of the car is easy and saves all the above but a lot of drivers you included by the sounds of it don't.
re your comment
Scenario.......
A14 2 lane DC. Truck decided he can go marginally faster than the 20 trucks in front of him, so pulls out to overtake.
To hell with the cars that were dong 70 in that lane... they have to brake to avoid the accident!
Reference above the cars doing 70 should have anticipated the hgv intending to pull out and slowed sufficiently to not have to brake(" to avoid the accident")
It is the same with cars pulling out to overtake , How many other car drivers have to brake to avoid the collision,!! Looking ahead instead of at the road 1 foot in front of the car is easy and saves all the above but a lot of drivers you included by the sounds of it don't.
911hope said:
carlo996 said:
It’s amazing that anyone with a single working brain cell would not be able to differentiate between a HGV and car. Yes, snail racing can be annoying but you make allowances because there’s an underlying reason.
That reason being that they haven't twigged that they are prevented from doing the act that they are attempting and that it is pointless. The final ingredient is that they don't care about the congestion and danger they cause.vonhosen said:
How do you feel about a car pulling out into lane 3 whilst doing 70 trying to overtake a line of cars doing 69.9, provided they pull left at the end of that long line of cars in lane 2?
Personally I don't bother overtaking unless I'm going to be utilising a reasonable differential over the vehicle to be overtaken, whether I'm riding/driving a bike, car, lorry or bus.
The proper equivalent scenario would have that 70mph car pull into the path of an approaching car doing 90mph in L3.Personally I don't bother overtaking unless I'm going to be utilising a reasonable differential over the vehicle to be overtaken, whether I'm riding/driving a bike, car, lorry or bus.
Nomme de Plum said:
The underlying reason is the vast majority of HGV drivers are male and some are just as selfish as many other motorists and as they drive HGVs are not necessarily that intelligent.
Question: Do educated people with high intelligence become an HGV drivers as a norm?
The trap - HGV drivers are thickos Question: Do educated people with high intelligence become an HGV drivers as a norm?
Having revealed that I hold an HGV Class 1 licence, also I have two engineering degrees (BSc 2:1 and MSc) and I'm chartered.
So before the insults start, work out that conundrum.
bigothunter said:
Nomme de Plum said:
HGV drivers in the main are highly skilled but that is not necessarily the same as high intellect.
It is unfortunately common that the snail race between HGVs occur. They are little different than those who decide to drive in the middle lane. Many HGV drivers know before they pull out their pass will not succeed or maybe they don't and a re just a bit dense.
It's not quite that simple. I hold a Class 1 HGV licence gained many years ago.It is unfortunately common that the snail race between HGVs occur. They are little different than those who decide to drive in the middle lane. Many HGV drivers know before they pull out their pass will not succeed or maybe they don't and a re just a bit dense.
Overtaking ability depends on terrain. Fully laden trucks will not maintain 56mph on hills. Overtaking a slower truck unravels if it has a higher power/weight ratio and an incline is encountered. Making this judgement before attempting to overtake is difficult nigh on impossible. Dumb speed limiters make the situation worse.
That's why trucks jockey for position in Lanes 1 and 2.
t but that is just the way it is. Driving a 44 tonne rig is highly skilled. I'm trying to explain that ML drivers are just people with average driving ability. Why get stressed. The only person that gets impacted is the person that allows themselves to get wound up,.
People can post here for ever and it will make not one iota of difference.
bigothunter said:
Nomme de Plum said:
The underlying reason is the vast majority of HGV drivers are male and some are just as selfish as many other motorists and as they drive HGVs are not necessarily that intelligent.
Question: Do educated people with high intelligence become an HGV drivers as a norm?
The trap - HGV drivers are thickos Question: Do educated people with high intelligence become an HGV drivers as a norm?
Having revealed that I hold an HGV Class 1 licence, also I have two engineering degrees (BSc 2:1 and MSc) and I'm chartered.
So before the insults start, work out that conundrum.
Can I ask do you make your living from driving an HGV?
The big yin said:
911 hope
re your comment
Scenario.......
A14 2 lane DC. Truck decided he can go marginally faster than the 20 trucks in front of him, so pulls out to overtake.
To hell with the cars that were dong 70 in that lane... they have to brake to avoid the accident!
Reference above the cars doing 70 should have anticipated the hgv intending to pull out and slowed sufficiently to not have to brake(" to avoid the accident")
It is the same with cars pulling out to overtake , How many other car drivers have to brake to avoid the collision,!! Looking ahead instead of at the road 1 foot in front of the car is easy and saves all the above but a lot of drivers you included by the sounds of it don't.
MLMs have a pedestrian perspective. They only observe the car in front of them, which is often too close.re your comment
Scenario.......
A14 2 lane DC. Truck decided he can go marginally faster than the 20 trucks in front of him, so pulls out to overtake.
To hell with the cars that were dong 70 in that lane... they have to brake to avoid the accident!
Reference above the cars doing 70 should have anticipated the hgv intending to pull out and slowed sufficiently to not have to brake(" to avoid the accident")
It is the same with cars pulling out to overtake , How many other car drivers have to brake to avoid the collision,!! Looking ahead instead of at the road 1 foot in front of the car is easy and saves all the above but a lot of drivers you included by the sounds of it don't.
They don't have the inclination or understand the reason to notice more. Hence the need to drive slowly.
Nomme de Plum said:
Which is why I said as a norm because I know personally a couple also withe BSCs. There are always exceptions and I choose my words carefully.
Can I ask do you make your living from driving an HGV?
My career was in product development which included cars, vans and trucks. Hence the requirement for an HGV licenceCan I ask do you make your living from driving an HGV?
I have never earnt money from driving an HGV. However since retiring, I have enjoyed medium/long distance deliveries in a 3500kg van on a part-time basis. Deliveries to central London should be avoided though - it's a nightmare.
bigothunter said:
MLMs have a pedestrian perspective. They only observe the car in front of them, which is often too close.
They don't have the inclination or understand the reason to notice more. Hence the need to drive slowly.
Probably yes. But it isn't going to change is it? They don't have the inclination or understand the reason to notice more. Hence the need to drive slowly.
Isn't it less stressful to accept others failings and idiosyncrasies. Other than those with poor lane discipline there will be those that consider speed limits do not apply to them. They are all just really poor drivers.
bigothunter said:
Nomme de Plum said:
Which is why I said as a norm because I know personally a couple also withe BSCs. There are always exceptions and I choose my words carefully.
Can I ask do you make your living from driving an HGV?
My career was in product development which included cars, vans and trucks. Hence the requirement for an HGV licenceCan I ask do you make your living from driving an HGV?
I have never earnt money from driving an HGV. However since retiring, I have enjoyed medium/long distance deliveries in a 3500kg van on a part-time basis. Deliveries to central London should be avoided though - it's a nightmare.
I owned a 8.5m RV for a few years and it teaches a whole new aspect of road craft. Not articulated of course but I sometimes towed car. Hence I appreciate the challenges of being a truck driver.
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-657702...
BBC :It's not yet clear what the direct cause of the crash was, but police told told local media the accident is a good example of the importance of observing Georgia's Move Over Law. This law requires drivers in the lane next to the shoulder to change lanes when emergency or utility vehicles stop on the side of the highway.
Oops.
BBC :It's not yet clear what the direct cause of the crash was, but police told told local media the accident is a good example of the importance of observing Georgia's Move Over Law. This law requires drivers in the lane next to the shoulder to change lanes when emergency or utility vehicles stop on the side of the highway.
Oops.
Nomme de Plum said:
Probably yes. But it isn't going to change is it?
Isn't it less stressful to accept others failings and idiosyncrasies. Other than those with poor lane discipline there will be those that consider speed limits do not apply to them. They are all just really poor drivers.
Middle lane hogging was made an offence back in 2013. So an attempt has been made to improve matters albeit with limited effect. Education 'adverts' and Move Left signs would help.Isn't it less stressful to accept others failings and idiosyncrasies. Other than those with poor lane discipline there will be those that consider speed limits do not apply to them. They are all just really poor drivers.
Most of my motorway driving today involves towing a large car transporter. I am not permitted in the outside lane. So MLMs can present a significant inhibiter to making progress.
Actually playing with MLMs can be good sport rather than stressful. Know I shouldn't do it but sometimes I can't resist.
Please don't get me started on our ridiculously low speed limits only suitable for morons.
languagetimothy said:
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-657702...
BBC :It's not yet clear what the direct cause of the crash was, but police told told local media the accident is a good example of the importance of observing Georgia's Move Over Law. This law requires drivers in the lane next to the shoulder to change lanes when emergency or utility vehicles stop on the side of the highway.
Oops.
Fantastic video - thanks BBC :It's not yet clear what the direct cause of the crash was, but police told told local media the accident is a good example of the importance of observing Georgia's Move Over Law. This law requires drivers in the lane next to the shoulder to change lanes when emergency or utility vehicles stop on the side of the highway.
Oops.
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